Gazelle Arroyo C8 HMB Review

Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Electric Bike Review
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Bosch Performance Line Cruise Centerdrive Motor
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Post Moderne Suspension Seat Post Selle Royal Herz Saddle
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Tool Free Adjustable Stem Soft Rubber Grips Bosch Intuvia Display
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Fendervision Led Front Light Busch And Muller
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Paint Matched Spring Suspension Fork 50 Mm Travel
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Shimano Nexus Inter8 Igh
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Rack Mounted Bosch Powerpack 500 Ebike Battery
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Bosch 4 Amp Electric Bike Battery Charger
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Electric Bike Review
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Bosch Performance Line Cruise Centerdrive Motor
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Post Moderne Suspension Seat Post Selle Royal Herz Saddle
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Tool Free Adjustable Stem Soft Rubber Grips Bosch Intuvia Display
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Fendervision Led Front Light Busch And Muller
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Paint Matched Spring Suspension Fork 50 Mm Travel
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Shimano Nexus Inter8 Igh
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Rack Mounted Bosch Powerpack 500 Ebike Battery
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Bosch 4 Amp Electric Bike Battery Charger

Summary

  • A highly adjustable, feature-complete, city style electric bike with long fenders that have an integrated headlight and enclosed chain cover keep you clean and dry, integrated keyed-alike cafe lock adds convenience
  • Available in three frame sizes with the small and medium being wave and the large being diamond style, very comfortable to ride thanks to adjustable suspension fork and seat post, soft ergo-grips, swept bar, adjustable stem
  • Priced $200 cheaper than prior-year model but you get a more powerful Bosch Performance Line motor and 25% higher-capacity Bosch Powerpack 500 battery pack (the interface for this pack is backward compatible)
  • The rear-rack battery frees up space for the deep step-thru design on the small and medium sizes but isn't as necessary on the high-step frame, it creates more frame flex, impacts balance, and raises cargo... neither frame has bottle cage bosses despite plenty of room on the seat tube and downtube

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Introduction

Make:

Gazelle

Model:

Arroyo C8 HMB

Price:

$3,499 USD

Body Position:

Upright Relaxed

Suggested Use:

Neighborhood, Cruising, Urban, Commuting, Touring

Electric Bike Class:

Pedal Assist (Class 1)
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Warranty:

2 Year Motor and Battery, 5 Year Frame

Availability:

United States, Europe

Model Year:

2017

Bicycle Details

Total Weight:

58.7 lbs (26.62 kg)

Battery Weight:

6.1 lbs (2.76 kg)

Motor Weight:

8.8 lbs (3.99 kg)

Frame Material:

Aluminum

Frame Sizes:

18.11 in (45.99 cm)19.29 in (48.99 cm)20.87 in (53 cm)

Geometry Measurements:

Step-Thru 46 cm Stats: 18.25" Seat Tube, 20.75" Reach, 16.5" Stand Over Height, 24" Width, 71.5" Length

Frame Types:

Step-Thru, High-Step

Frame Colors:

Black, Brilliant Blue

Frame Fork Details:

Gazelle Branded Spring Suspension, 50 mm Travel, Adjustable Tension, 100 mm Hub, 9 mm Skewer with Quick Release

Frame Rear Details:

135 mm Hub, 10 mm Axle with Nuts

Attachment Points:

Rear Rack Bosses, Fender Bosses

Gearing Details:

8 Speed 1x8 Shimano Nexus Inter8, Internally Geared Hub

Shifter Details:

Shimano Nexus Grip Shifter on Right

Cranks:

Miranda, Alloy, 170 mm Length, 16 Tooth Chainring

Pedals:

Gazelle Branded, Alloy Plastic Platform with Rubber Tread

Headset:

Quill, Threaded 1", 68.5° Head Tube Angle

Stem:

Tool-Free Adjustable Angle, 110 mm Length

Handlebar:

Gazelle Aerowing II Vario Comfort, Alloy, Swept Back, 600 mm Length

Brake Details:

Magura HS22 Hydraulic Rim Brakes, Four Finger Levers with Tool-Free Adjustable Reach

Grips:

Rubber, Ergonomic, Black

Saddle:

Selle Royal Herz

Seat Post:

Post Moderne, Suspension with Preload Adjust

Seat Post Length:

290 mm

Seat Post Diameter:

27.2 mm

Rims:

Gazelle VR19 (622x19c), Aluminum Alloy, Double Wall, Reinforcement Eyelets, 32 Hole

Spokes:

Stainless Steel, 14G Front 13G Rear, Black with Adjustable Nipples

Tire Brand:

Schwalbe Energizer Plus, 28" x 1.4" (700 x 35c)

Wheel Sizes:

28 in (71.12cm)

Tire Details:

Performance Line GreenGuard, 55 to 85 PSI, Reflective Stripe

Tube Details:

Presta Valve

Accessories:

Fully Enclosed Plastic Chain Cover, Plastic Fenders with Mud Flaps, Adjustable Rear-Mount Kickstand, Integrated Gazelle FenderVision LED Front Light by Busch and Müller IQ-TEC, Integrated Spanninga Brasa LED Back Light, Alloy Rack with Triple Bungee Strap, AXA Defender Cafe Lock (Same Key as Battery), Gazelle Branded Twist Bell on Left

Other:

Locking Removable Rack Mounted Batter Pack, 1.7 lb 4 Amp Battery Charger

Electronic Details

Motor Brand:

Bosch Performance Line Cruise

Motor Type:

Mid-Mounted Geared Motor
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Motor Nominal Output:

250 watts

Motor Torque:

63 Newton meters

Battery Voltage:

36 volts

Battery Amp Hours:

13.4 ah

Battery Watt Hours:

482.4 wh

Battery Chemistry:

Lithium-ion

Charge Time:

4 hours

Estimated Min Range:

25 miles (40 km)

Estimated Max Range:

115 miles (185 km)

Display Type:

Bosch Intuvia, Removable, Adjustable Angle, Grayscale, Backlit LCD, (Hold Reset and i for Settings Menu)

Readouts:

Speed, Assist Level (Eco, Tour, Sport, Turbo), Battery Level (5 Bars), Odometer, Trip Distance, Estimated Range, Clock, Max Speed, Average Speed, Trip Time, Shift Recommendation

Display Accessories:

Independent Button Pad with Tactile Feedback on Left, 5 Volt 500 mA Micro USB Port on Display

Drive Mode:

Advanced Pedal Assist (Measures Wheel Speed, Pedal Cadence and Pedal Torque, Power Output Relative to Pedal Input: Eco 50% 40 Nm, Tour 120% 50 Nm, Sport 190% 55 Nm, Turbo 275% 63 Nm)

Top Speed:

20 mph (32 kph)

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Written Review

For this review, I met with Brett Thurber from the New Wheel in Marin California. We took two of his shop’s Gazelle electric bikes down on the bike path, near Corte Madera Creek, and discussed all of the intricate details. The Arroyo C8 HMB is one of the more expensive, feature-rich, comfortable city style e-bikes I have tested… and Gazelle is renowned for their attention to detail and quality construction. They’re a Dutch company with over 100 years (since 1902) of outstanding business service and have been recognized with the Royal Dutch designation. It’s not the most affordable bike in this category but to be fair, the price actually dropped $200 from an earlier 2016 version I reviewed which was called the Arroyo C8 HM. With the HMB you get a more powerful Bosch Performance Line motor and 25% larger battery pack! That’s pretty awesome if you ask me, you definitely get what you pay for with Gazelle and Bosch (which produces the motor, battery, and premium display panel for this electric bicycle). The display is cool because it offers a Micro-USB charging for portable electronic devices, can swivel to reduce glare when riding, and is removable for protection when parking. The backlit display LCD is extra-large so people with limited vision can view it without straining and it’s right there at the center of the handlebar. Interacting with the bike is also comfortable and easy thanks to a remote button pad, mounted within reach of the left grip. I was also delighted with the grip shifter for changing gears on the right and a unique twist bell on the left. There’s a sense of balance and symmetry with this electric bike. And, even though the rear rack-mounted battery is not as low or balanced as a centrally located downtube pack, the motor weight, heavier handle bar, and suspension fork up front make it pretty balanced front to rear… and of course, the rack battery frees up the center of the frame for that nice step-thru approach. This balance compromise is less relevant to the diamond high-step frame which still uses a rear rack battery but doesn’t take advantage of the downtube or seat tube for storage options, it doesn’t appear to have any bottle cage bosses on these tubes, which is a shame. Neither bike has bottle cage bosses, and I personally find them useful for keeping fluids within reach or bringing along a mini-pump or folding lock without the need for a bag. It’s easy to not mount an accessory here if you prefer, the frame would still look clean and probably be almost as strong, so I’m not sure why they skipped on this? Frame strength and stiffness has been improved over the 2016 model and the tube shape and welds are near perfect, just so clean and smooth. The wheelset is double-wall and has reinforcement eyelets and thicker spokes for strength and durability. The tires are upgraded Schwalbe Energizer Plus model with reflective sidewalls tripes and puncture protection. Changing a flat tire on a heavier electric bike with internally geared hub and horizontal dropout, as used here, isn’t much fun… so the tires are an important touch. Regardless of weather, your pants or skirt should stay clean and snag free (a heavy storm might get you wet from above, but water shouldn’t splash up because of the extra-long fenders and full-surround chain cover). Little details like the adjustable length kickstand that does not require a screwdriver to slide up and down, or the adjustable height and angle stem that is also tool free… and the tool-free adjustable brake levers all make this thing enjoyable to ride. If you want to sit upright and relax for the first part of a ride but then get more aggressive and aerodynamic towards the end, you can, and it’s fast and easy to do.

Driving the Gazelle Arroyo C8 HMB is a Bosch Performance Line Cruise mid-motor. This internally geared centerdrive is unique in that it measures rear wheel speed, pedal cadence, and pedal torque, 1,000 times per second. It starts up almost as soon as you apply pressure and cuts out just as fast. It’s a motor that has been used on trail and mountain bikes in the past because of how responsive and reliable it is, which is important on unsteady terrain. In a potentially wet urban environment, where cars are present, that may be just as important. But, there’s another benefit specific to this bike’s drivetrain worth mentioning. The Bosch mid-drive motors offer shift detection which allows for smoother transition between different gears, and in 2017 they released a software update (that shops would install) to work even better with internally geared hubs like the Shimano Nexus Inter8 used here. The combination of shift-detection and thoughtful pedaling (where you ease off a bit when shifting between gears) allows for the super-responsive motor to smooth out shifting. The Inter8 is a big upgrade from the Inter7 because it uses a roller clutch vs. pawls. It doesn’t produce the buzzing clicking noise when coasting the way that most bikes do. And, because there is only one chainring and one rear sprocket, the chain is less likely to fall off or make a lot of noise. The two potentially noisy parts of this ebike are the long plastic fenders (which are securely attached) and the motor itself. Most geared motors produce some rubbing sounds and there’s a distinct electronic whir as you arrow up into the higher power levels of assist and pedal faster. The motor can assist at up to 120 RPM while other systems cutout at ~100 RPM and spins the uniquely-small 15 tooth chainring at 2.5 rotations for every crank turn. I was told that this deign allows for better chain grab and may also start and stop quicker. In any case, the motor works well and shifting is intuitive, even at standstill, using the half-grip twister on the right. Just remember to ease off the pedals a bit when shifting so the gear can transition… there’s a self-protection mechanism that will create a buzzy/clicking sound if you try to shift while climbing or powering fast and it will wait to change until you let off a bit.

Powering the Arroyo C8 HMB is a rear-rack mounted Powerpack 500 from Bosch. It contains high-density Lithium-ion cells and weighs just ~5.7 lbs. That’s less than half a heavier than the older Powerpack 400 but you get a 25% capacity increase for longer rides. Depending on the assist level you choose, this electric bike should go at least 30 and up to 100+ miles per charge. Because the motor is pulling the same chain that you pedal with, it’s up to you to shift gears thoughtfully and empower it to improve leverage. Bosch has a new shift recommendation graphic that appears as an up and down arrow on the display panel when it senses that you could empower the motor, look for it at the top left portion of the display screen if you are pedaling too slow or too fast. Again, it’s just a recommendation and I love that Bosch supports you up to 120 RPM because I like to spin fast and some other systems made me feel like I had to shift even though I wouldn’t have chosen to do so on my own. They wouldn’t let me reach the max assisted speed (20 mph in this case) without shifting. So, the battery pack can be charged on or off the bike frame and it uses the same plug style which is nice, there’s no adapter dongle to keep track of. The four Amp charger is two times faster than most generic chargers I see and is compact and relatively lightweight at under two pounds. When you unlock the battery and slide it out of the rack, there’s a handle at the end to make carrying it safe and comfortable. The rack is designed in such a way that it completely surrounds and protects the battery, and has plenty of extra room on the top and sides for trunk bags and panniers. I love that both lights on this bike are integrated, powered by the battery pack, and positioned out of the way. The rear light, in particular, is less likely to be blocked by bags or even a long coat the way that seat post mounted lights are. The headlight is very cool looking, has an aim feature that allows it to point up or down (to avoid blinding oncoming traffic and riders) but might bounce around a bit because it’s built into the fender, which is attached to the moving part of the suspension fork vs. the suspended portions of the bike (head tube, handlebar). This is one area that I was not able to test during my ride but that crossed my mind as I have seen it happen on other bikes in the past.

Using the bike is straightforward, I already talked about how adjustable the handlebar is, but the suspension fork has two spring adjustments (which both need to be turned the same amount for balance), and the suspension seat post has a rebound adjustment (higher rebound would support heavier riders before the slide kicks in). I wouldn’t mind seeing a lockout on the suspension fork to reduce dive when stopping, but I would probably rarely use this feature myself because I don’t weigh a lot and am okay with some efficiency and control compromise for comfort. It’s especially cool to have a cafe rear-wheel lock included, and that it uses the same key as the battery pack! In this way, you don’t have the added weight and inconvenience of multiple keys floating around. Moving up to the display panel, you press a single power button to activate the bike once the battery is charged and mounted. It switches on quickly and is constantly backlit with a faint blue glow. The LCD system and remote button pad are called the Bosch Intuvia and they are my personal favorite at this time. You get a large easy-to-read display panel that’s removable for safe keeping, and the utility of a Micro-USB port for charging portable electronics. In some ways, this display offers a lot of information and is deep, but the extra reset and lights buttons make it easy to use. The main buttons are power, i (which is like an information, screen selection button) and the plus and minus keys. Click plus to increase power from zero to Eco, Standard, Sport, and Turbo. Each click produces a sound and a feeling so you can make adjustments confidently without looking down. The remote button pad delivers a smart tactile interface with the + and – buttons at the top and bottom and a rubberized convex circular bump for the i in between. The i allows you to switch from odometer, to trip distance, max speed, clock, range and other readouts. Range is especially cool because it dynamically shows how far the battery can take you in the currently selected level of assist based on the last mile of use. This is way more useful than the five bar battery infographic shown at all times near the top of the LCD.

This review video was a bit longer and very deep because Brett is well informed about things like hydraulic rim brakes (which are reliable, powerful, and adjustable), as well as the history of Gazelle. We were riding near Mount Tam in Marin, California which is one of the birthplaces of mountain biking… and the terrain is hilly in many places. He explained that the 2016 Arroyo C8 HM was their most popular step-thru model because of how reliable, comfortable, and powerful it was. To see that model further improved and drop in price is fantastic. It’s a bit heavier than some competing models, in part because of the internally geared hub and larger battery, but the ride experience is nimble and stable. This is an electric bike that is easy to appreciate and that even the Dutch Royal Family seems to be comfortable recommending or at least recognizing. Big thanks to Gazelle for partnering with me on this post and the New Wheel for hosting me and filling in some of the missing details during our talk on camera.

Pros:

  • I reviewed the wave step-thru frame style and found it incredibly easy to mount and stand over when stopped, you can get the Arroyo C8 in three frame sizes and the first two smaller sizes only come in wave while the large comes in a more traditional diamond high-step
  • Plenty of attention was paid to comfort with this bike, in addition to a traditional suspension fork with spring adjust, you also get a mid-level suspension seat post from Post Moderne, a Selle Royal gel saddle, thick semi-ergonomic rubberized grips, a swept-back handlebar (that’s narrow enough to get through doors easily), and tool-free adjustable quill stem (that goes up and down as well as angles forward and back) so you can optimize body position
  • Hydraulic rim brakes seem to be more common on some European brand e-bikes like this, compared to disc brakes they seem to be just as powerful, the pads last longer, they don’t go out of adjustment, and the levers (on this particular setup) offer tool-free adjustable-reach for riders with smaller hands… they also keep the dropout area less cluttered and are more adjustable horizontally than if there’s a caliper mount for a disc brake, they may have been chosen because of the internally geared hub drivetrain and horizontal dropout for this particular bike
  • The rear rack is very sturdy and packed with features, note how far back it is positioned so the saddle can be dropped into the lowest position, this rack surrounds the battery pack, has standard gauge pannier hangers and blocker bars, and comes with a triple-bungee for simple tie-down
  • Premium integrated lights make safety convenient, you don’t have to worry about forgetting to turn them on or off and they won’t get stolen as easily when parked in public places because they are bolted on, the tires are also reflective so you will be noticed more easily from the side
  • Changing flat tires is never fun but the effort and inconvenience is elevated on an ebike like this due to increased weight and a bolted-on rear wheel with the internally geared hub (the front wheel does have traditional quick release), so I’m glad to see the upgraded Schwalbe Energizer Plus tires with puncture protection
  • A Shimano Inter8 internally geared hub makes shifting gears at standstill possible and reduces the possibility of chain slap and drops (because the chain is tighter, only one chainring in the front and one sprocket in the rear), I have found that they tend to require less maintenance and are less vulnerable if the bike tips over because there is no derailleur
  • This newer Arroyo C8 model is $200 cheaper than the 2016 model and has a more powerful Bosch Performance Line Cruise motor vs. the Bosch Active Line, it should climb a bit better thanks to 63 Nm peak torque vs. 48 Nm before, as well as a larger 500 watt hour battery vs. 400 watt hour
  • Over the years, I have become a big fan of Bosch electric bike systems because shops tell me that they rarely need service, the motors are responsive and smart (including shift detection to reduce drivetrain stress) and the batteries are backward compatible so you could use an older Powerpack 400 rack style pack with this bike
  • The 4 Amp battery charger is twice as fast as most standard chargers on other electric bicycles, weighing ~1.7 lbs it’s not super heavy or large and bulky, you can take the power cord out of one side to make it more compact
  • The frame has an AXA Defender cafe lock built on and it uses the same key as the battery pack! This is convenient for quick stops and reduces the expense and clutter of getting an aftermarket lock (but I’d still recommend using a u-lock to secure the frame to a bike rack for longer stops because someone could still lift and carry off your bike with just the cafe lock activated)
  • Perfect kickstand placement, and the stand is adjustable length without using a screwdriver so you can stand it properly on the fly, notice how it’s clear of the left crank arm and directly below the rack which might have heavy bags loaded
  • The rims have reinforcement eyelets to spread weight out and reduce the chance of cracking if the bike is really loaded up with gear or a heavier rider, the spokes are slightly thicker as well (13 gauge rear and 14 gauge front)
  • The front fender is extra long and low to really keep your feet and shins clean, it has a rubberized end piece so it can bend if you bump into a curb or kick it
  • The Shimano Nexus Inter8 internally geared hub uses a roller-clutch which is completely silent, so you get more gear options as well as a nicer experience vs. the cheaper Inter7 model
  • The Bosch centerdrive motor system has “shift detection” and has been updated to work better with internally geared hubs in 2017 so it’s a perfect match for the Inter8, Bosch also starts and stops quickly as you ease off pedal torque vs. carrying over and this makes it one of the best motors to use with an internally geared hub system
  • Brett explained that Gazelle has balanced the step-thru design with a bit of foot-forward positioning and an updated frame which is stiffer, the welds are incredibly smooth as well
  • I was told that the paint on Gazelle bikes is marine tested and uses ten layers so that it can withstand heavy use and years of riding
  • Royal Dutch Gazelle is recognized as a leading company with over 100 years of service and no ethical faults in Holland (the Netherlands) and they offer an excellent two-year warranty

Cons:

  • The fender-integrated headlight looks nice but is not suspended, it’s may bounce and shake a bit more as you ride across bumpy terrain because the suspension fork sliders go up and down vs. a handlebar or steering tube mounted light which would be more steady, I do however, love that there’s an adjustment lever for the light to aim it up or down
  • Despite having ample space for a bottle cage mount on the seat tube of both bikes (and the downtube of the diamond high-step frame), there are none… which is too bad because reaching backward for water stowed in a trunk bag like this isn’t as convenient or safe as simply reaching down, also, I feel that the city style of this bike seems aimed at riders and situations that wouldn’t include a hydration pack, I imagine a nicely dressed rider with a pannier on the back
  • Minor consideration here, I feel like the diamond high-step frame could have used a downtube mounted Bosch Powerpack 500 vs. the rear-rack style, this would lower weight and improve balance, the rack could also support more weight and keep it lower to the ground because it wouldn’t have the bulk and weight of a pack to deal with
  • Weighing in at ~58.7 lbs, this is not what I would consider a lightweight e-bike, there are other models with rack, fender, and suspension options that also add weight but some of them are ~55 lbs, I think the frame was reinforced for stiffness and strength here which adds weight, and the larger bar, adjustable stem, and grips add weight also
  • The internally geared hub can sometimes click and not-shift when under load, I think it’s a safety mechanism designed to protect the gears inside but it can take some getting used to, it’s just not as fast and crisp as a traditional derailleur with sprockets
  • Compared with the prior-year-model Gazelle Arroyo C8 HM with the Bosch Active Line, this one uses the more powerful but also slightly louder Bosch Performance Line, it may also drain the battery faster if you use the higher levels of assist because it’s zippier… so noise and range are considerations here, but range is highly benefitted from the larger battery pack

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Dewey
1 day ago

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Matthew X Curry
4 weeks ago

Dutch made marvel of design, my new Gazelle Arroyo seen here at Seattle's Shilshole Park/Golden Gardens Park yesterday. Thank you Court as I didn't know this spot existed until I started watching EBR reviews and you shot a Rad Bike review from here a few months back. I am hooked! It took a while but this bike is my new best friend.

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JonathanNL-US
3 months ago

Hello! I'm wondering if anyone can provide guidance on how to use the micro USB port on my Gazelle Arroyo to charge an iPhone (lightning connection), and especially what kind of cord/adapter I'd need to buy in order to do it. Thanks!

Dewey
3 months ago

The other thing I want this bike for is to join my athletic (Olympic) daughter and my husband on their summer bike weekends. Daughter does those 110-mile rides. Husband does a shorter circuit.

110 miles is a long distance for an ebike, if you were to attempt to ride that distance in one go you would need to either carry a spare battery, or a battery with a very large capacity which take a long time to charge. Consider any 2017 or 2018 model year Bosch motor powered ebike with the new 500wh battery and buy a spare 500wh battery to keep in a pannier bag to swap out when you run out, examples might include the 2017 Gazelle Arroyo or Kalkhoff Agattu B8 with the large or XL diamond frames.

Dewey
4 months ago

I'm hoping to find dealers to test ride these suggestions.

Trek have recently expanded their shop network and can order bikes from other stores for you to test ride. Kalkhoff is harder to find, I know of dealers in CA, NY, and DC but the motor can be serviced by a Bosch certified technician of any brand using their motors. The Gazelle Arroyo is similar to the Kalkhoff Agattu and Gazelle have dealers in Chicago and across the US. The Daymak EC1 is lightweight for an ebike at 38lb but the diamond frame forward leaning design is not a townie/city upright style, the dealers are in Canada, and the 24v hub motor on their base model is modest. I first tried a 24v hub motor before I switched to a 36v mid-drive motor because I found the smaller motor could not pull me up hills unloaded whereas I can now go grocery shopping and tow a child trailer.

Dewey
5 months ago

Yesterday I took a test ride on a 2016 Gazelle Arroyo diamond frame, on the hottest day of the year. I was pleasantly surprised by how the Bosch Active Line motor performed under load riding up to the highest point in Washington, DC.

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Dewey
6 months ago

You have a good selection of Ebikes there, if you don't mind another suggestion the GazelleNL C7 HMB has a large step through frame size for riders up to 6' 2" and 275lb. The double down tube provides more reinforcement and less frame flex than other step through designs. It has a heavy duty wide kickstand and a lockable headset so the handlebars don't move if you're loading a front basket. The fully enclosed chain case will keep your pants leg clean and protect the chain from grit. The internal gear hub means you can change down gear when you are stopped without having to pedal which is helpful if you are starting off up hill or standing at a stop light. The Bosch motor and 500 battery are a good system combining torque and cadence sensing, the hydraulic rim brakes will bring you and groceries to a stop, and diagnostics and servicing can be done at any shop with a Bosch certified technician. I test rode a Gazelle Arroyo at last years Ebike Expo and was impressed with the quality, comfortable riding position, responsive pedal assist, and attention to detail, but this design is stronger, weather and salt water tested so will stand up well to being hung off the back of an RV, although it is fairly heavy at 62lb despite the aluminum frame and fenders so you might like to consider a trailer hitch mounted platform bike rack. Here is Court's review.

Dewey
6 months ago

That's the way I'm leaning!

You have probably seen Court's recent review. At the Ebike Expo last year I test rode the Gazelle Arroyo which is similar to the Agattu, Bosch motor, Magura hydraulic rim brakes, front suspension fork, rear seatpost suspension, and I really liked it so it's great the Kalkhoff has the XS frame.

medulla
7 months ago

Suggested e-bikes in the $2500-3000 range:

If you have Trek dealer near you, you might like to try the Lift+ and Electra Townie Go! Both come with good quality reliable motors from Shimano and Bosch. The Townie Go! adds lights, fenders, twist-gear shifter, wider tires, cushier saddle, and a more relaxed cruiser bike style low feet-forward high handlebar riding position, versus the Lift+ weighs less, has more powerful hydraulic disc brakes, adjustable handlebar with ergonomic grips, and two extra gears (10 speed vs 8) operated by a trigger shifter.

If you have a local dealer who can get them in you might also like to try the Gazelle Arroyo C8 or 2017 Kalkhoff Agattu B8. Both are European made e-bikes with Bosch motors, Magura hydraulic rim brakes, and comfort features that include an upright step-through frame, a suspension seat-post, and a front suspension fork, easily adjustable handlebars with ergonomic grips, 8 speed internal gear hubs operated by a twist shifter, lights and fenders. The Kalkhoff has the more powerful Bosch Performance Line motor versus the Active Line of the Gazelle, so the Kalkhoff would be the better choice for climbing hills. Both use smooth combined cadence and torque sensing pedal assist. I test rode the Gazelle last year and it was very comfortable to ride.

Suggested e-bikes in the $1500-2000 range:

Raleigh Sprite iE or iZip E3 Vibe. These are the same bike branded differently, with a step-through frame, adjustable handlebars, basic 7-speed derailleur gears operated by trigger shifters, simple cable pull rim brakes, mid-drive Currie motor with simple cadence sensing pedal assist, and there is an optional 'boost' button throttle. The lower complexity should make either one easier for a local bike shop to service although you would need to take it to a Currie dealer for motor servicing. They are pre-wired for, but don't come fitted with, lights. You might want to add a suspension seat-post like a Suntour NCX or a nicer sprung saddle to soak up the bumps.

This thread and this thread talk about issues regarding battery storage if you are not planning on using the bike for a period of time. E-bike batteries don't like being left unused, should be kept above freezing in a dry place, and recharged at least every 2-4 months.

Now you have actually done me a huge favor. This is exactly what I wanted! I totally appreciat it!

I had a question. When you start looking into Electric bikes, Stromer is one the biggest names putt there and they've pretty muc become one of the biggest ones.

Is a stromer something I should stay away from beard on my requirements? Or is it good for my requirements?

Thank you.
A lot of people are excited by the idea of riding an electric bike, buy one, then use it a couple of times before they park it next to their treadmill.. jk.

Find a local ebike dealer, or find one in a city you want to explore by bike and test ride a few different types.. Only you know what makes you feel good on it... If you like the test ride find out where you can rent an ebike for an afternoon, and take a friend and have some fun.. Try this for a couple of weekends and see if you're still pysched about owning an ebike.. The worst ebike is the one you abandon cause those batteries never sleep.

That is exactly what I am going to do once I'm back to my city, I'll start calling up locally and seeing what's possible.

Dewey
5 months ago

Suggested e-bikes in the $2500-3000 range:

If you have Trek dealer near you, you might like to try the Lift+ and Electra Townie Go! Both come with good quality reliable motors from Shimano and Bosch. The Townie Go! adds lights, fenders, twist-gear shifter, wider tires, cushier saddle, and a more relaxed cruiser bike style low feet-forward high handlebar riding position, versus the Lift+ weighs less, has more powerful hydraulic disc brakes, adjustable handlebar with ergonomic grips, and two extra gears (10 speed vs 8) operated by a trigger shifter.

If you have a local dealer who can get them in you might also like to try the 2017 Gazelle Arroyo C8 or 2017 Kalkhoff Agattu B8. Both are European made e-bikes with Bosch motors, Magura hydraulic rim brakes, and comfort features that include an upright step-through frame, a suspension seat-post, and a front suspension fork, easily adjustable handlebars with ergonomic grips, 8 speed internal gear hubs operated by a twist shifter, lights and fenders. For 2017 both the Kalkhoff and Gazelle come with the more powerful Bosch Performance Line motor so both bikes would be good choices for climbing hills. Both use smooth combined cadence and torque sensing pedal assist. I test rode the Gazelle and it was very comfortable to ride.

Suggested e-bikes in the $1500-2000 range:

Raleigh Sprite iE or iZip E3 Vibe. These are the same bike branded differently, with a step-through frame, adjustable handlebars, basic 7-speed derailleur gears operated by trigger shifters, simple cable pull rim brakes, mid-drive Currie motor with simple cadence sensing pedal assist, and there is an optional 'boost' button throttle. The lower complexity should make either one easier for a local bike shop to service although you would need to take it to a Currie dealer for motor servicing. They are pre-wired for, but don't come fitted with, lights. You might want to add a suspension seat-post like a Suntour NCX or a nicer sprung saddle to soak up the bumps.

This thread and this thread talk about issues regarding battery storage if you are not planning on using the bike for a period of time. E-bike batteries don't like being left unused, should be kept above freezing in a dry place, and recharged at least every 2-4 months.

coen dekker
3 months ago

I consider to buy this bike. I am a dutchman. I life in the Netherlands. Great that you can also buy it in America. I thought that they just sell it in the Netherlands.

Robert Harrigan
3 months ago

I just ordered one yesterday. I'll pick it up on Saturday.

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 months ago

We love your cycling culture, this does seem like a great company and a nice e-bike :)

mikldude
3 months ago

Good informative video .
I'm not really a step through guy , but that looks like a good bike .

A. Moore
3 months ago

Could the chain be switched with a belt?

Gene Coppola
3 months ago

Two admitted bike geeks, respect..lol

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 months ago

Ha! Yeah, we were totally into it... Brett is great, respect!

Seb K
3 months ago

Reeeeeeeeeeeeee ;) !!!

FastFriday'sFacts
3 months ago

What size controller does the bosch performance line motor make?

FastFriday'sFacts
3 months ago

Okay. Why do they use that Bosch motor on all top end bikes?

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 months ago

I'm not really sure on the controller amperage if that's what you mean?

Honky Tonk
3 months ago

first i ever heard of hydraulic rim brakes.

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 months ago

Yeah... I see them occasionally on European bikes like this, they do seem to work well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

payasofeo69
3 months ago

Have you ever fallen while riding and filming? Looks kinda dangerous O_O

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 months ago

Thanks for your concern Juju, I do my best to ride in unpopulated areas but have indeed crashed a few times (the Magnum Cruiser being one of them). I hit a parked car once in a parking lot as well :(

Juju
3 months ago

payasofeo69 Yes he has... checkout the Magnum cruiser video @ 19:45. I also feel riding with one hand is unsafe, I wish he had another way to film so he can utilize both hands (maybe an extension bar mounted on the bars with a 360 swivel / counterbalance setup? https://youtu.be/vlmvHacfCjc

Saddlesoap
3 months ago

What is it like to fix a flat tire on this bike, indeed any of the e-bikes bikes you review? Is a e-bike mechanic necessary to re-adjust the chain tension or brake alignment? Thank you, I really appreciate all the information you put out here.

Le Lu
3 months ago

There is a chain spanner at 4:32 it is a 5mm bolt typical of Gazelle bikes, sadly mines are cracked because they are made of plastic and the chain puts too much torque on it, the part costs 5 eur a piece. I would really stay away from Gazelle for an electric bike here in NL is in the segment of city Bike but their bikes are made with so much in house pieces that you have little options. For instance on normal Gazelle bikes the bottom bracket is proprietary and so is all the chain covers and stuff... makes it really nasty to work on them. For 3.5 k i would stay away from Gazelle unless you enjoy having pieces shipped from NL and get charged by the dealer for the repairs.

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 months ago

The front wheel is easy to work on because of quick release but the rear wheel gets more wear and usually carries more weight (especially if the rack is loaded up) and while I think most people with a wrench could get it done, I might still be willing to pay for some shop help. The tires are great however, and shouldn't get flats frequently if you ride on road or path with a bike like this

VElliot
3 months ago

10:03 perfect timing 😅

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 months ago

Yeah, it's great when the timing works out like t hat :P