Specialized Turbo Vado 6.0 Review

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Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Vented Motor Protector Plastic Chainring Cover
Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Custom Mid Frame Battery With Bottle Cage Mount
Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Body Geometry Ergonomic Grips Side Mirror
Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Custom 600 Lumen Aspheric Lens Headlight
Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Suntour Ncx Mcd Suspension Fork 50 Mm
Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Flextender Fender Extender
Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Thru Axle 15 Mm Rebound Adjust
Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Canopy Comp Saddle 30 9 Mm Seat Post
Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Elegant Adjustable Length Kickstand
Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Minimalist Rack With Pannier Blocker
Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Rack Integrated Backlight Lightguide Technology
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Plastic Motor Protector
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Airflow Motor Cover Integrated Horn
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Energy Bus Battery Charging Port With Cover
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Adjustable Seat Height Mid Step Frame Easy To Mount
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Display Mount Angles To Reduce Glare
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Tft Display Panel Micro Usb Port
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Ergonomic Ladies Grips
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Led Headlight
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Tubular Alloy Fenders With Water Dam
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Gray Black Color
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Electrak 2 0 Armadillo Tires
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Nylon Platform Pedals Sandpaper Grip
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Racktime Compatible 22 Kg Rear Rack
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Shimano Deore Xt Shadow Plus 11 Speed
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Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0
Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Vented Motor Protector Plastic Chainring Cover
Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Custom Mid Frame Battery With Bottle Cage Mount
Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Body Geometry Ergonomic Grips Side Mirror
Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Custom 600 Lumen Aspheric Lens Headlight
Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Suntour Ncx Mcd Suspension Fork 50 Mm
Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Flextender Fender Extender
Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Thru Axle 15 Mm Rebound Adjust
Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Canopy Comp Saddle 30 9 Mm Seat Post
Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Elegant Adjustable Length Kickstand
Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Minimalist Rack With Pannier Blocker
Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Rack Integrated Backlight Lightguide Technology
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Plastic Motor Protector
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Airflow Motor Cover Integrated Horn
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Energy Bus Battery Charging Port With Cover
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Adjustable Seat Height Mid Step Frame Easy To Mount
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Display Mount Angles To Reduce Glare
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Tft Display Panel Micro Usb Port
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Ergonomic Ladies Grips
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Led Headlight
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Tubular Alloy Fenders With Water Dam
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Gray Black Color
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Electrak 2 0 Armadillo Tires
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Nylon Platform Pedals Sandpaper Grip
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Racktime Compatible 22 Kg Rear Rack
Womens Specialized Turbo Vado 6 0 Shimano Deore Xt Shadow Plus 11 Speed

Summary

  • A high-speed, feature-complete, urban electric bike with unique tubular fenders that have flexible extensions and water routing system to keep your legs, back and face dry, integrated lights and a tight modern rack
  • Available in four sizes including high-step and mid-step frame styles with gender-specific saddle and grips, custom tuned 50 mm suspension fork with lockout, sturdy thru-axles for improved power transfer and handling at high speed
  • Removable TFT touch-screen with integrated Micro-USB for accessory charging, Mission Control smartphone app syncs with display for GPS readouts and battery optimization, powerful 180 mm hydraulic disc brakes
  • High-end Shimano Deore XT Shadow Plus derailleur with one-way clutch to reduce chain bounce, narrow wide chainring delivers extra hold, rear light goes bright when either brake lever is pulled, bottle cage bosses on both frame types

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Introduction

Make:

Specialized

Model:

Turbo Vado 6.0

Price:

$4,800

Body Position:

Forward

Suggested Use:

Urban, Commuting, Touring

Electric Bike Class:

Speed Pedalec (Class 3)
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Warranty:

2 Year Battery and Motor, Lifetime Frame and Fork

Availability:

United States, Europe

Model Year:

2017

Bicycle Details

Total Weight:

55.4 lbs (25.12 kg)

Battery Weight:

6.6 lbs (2.99 kg)

Motor Weight:

7.5 lbs (3.4 kg)

Frame Material:

E5 Aluminum Alloy, Smooth Welds

Frame Sizes:

15.75 in (40 cm)17.72 in (45 cm)19.69 in (50.01 cm)21.65 in (54.99 cm)

Geometry Measurements:

Medium 45 cm: 17.72" Seat Tube, 32" Stand Over Height, 44.3" Wheelbase

Frame Types:

High-Step, Mid-Step

Frame Colors:

Satin Lime with Black Accents, Slate with Black Accents

Frame Fork Details:

Suntour NCX with Multi Circuit Damping (MCD), Compression Lockout Clicker, Preload Adjust, 100 mm / 15 mm Thru Axle, Sealed Bearings Hub

Frame Rear Details:

142 mm / 12 mm Thru-Axle, Sealed Bearings Hub

Attachment Points:

Bottle Cage Bosses, Rear Rack Bosses, Fender Bosses

Gearing Details:

11 Speed 1x11, Shimano Deore XT Shadow Plus SGS cage, Shimano SLX M7000 11-42T Cassette

Shifter Details:

Shimano SLX Triggers on Right

Cranks:

Custom Alloy, 48T, Narrow Wide Chainring, 104 mm Bolt Circle Diameter (BCD), Single Xsync Style 10- / 11-Speed

Pedals:

Custom Specialized Fitness, Nylon Platform with Grip Traction

Headset:

FSA 1-1/ 8" Upper and Lower, Cartridge Bearings

Stem:

Alloy, 7-Degree Rise, 31.8 mm Clamp, 60 mm (S) / 70 mm (M) / 80 mm (L) / 90 mm (XL)

Handlebar:

Specialized Alloy, 9-Degree Backsweep, 4-Degree Upsweep, 680 mm Width, 31.8 mm Clamp

Brake Details:

Tektro Zurich Hydraulic Disc with 180 mm Rotors, Tektro Zurich Levers with Tool-Free Adjustable Reach, Four-Piston Calipers, Integrated Read Switch on Both Levers for Rear Light Bright Mode

Grips:

Specialized Body Geometry XC Contour, Ergonomic, Black

Saddle:

Canopy Comp, Hollow Cr-Mo Rails

Seat Post:

Alloy, 2-Bolt Clamp, 12.5 mm Offset, Anti-Corrosion Hardware

Seat Post Length:

350 mm

Seat Post Diameter:

30.9 mm

Rims:

6061 Aluminum Alloy, Double-Wall, 40 mm Width, 28 Hole, Reinforcement Eyelets, Reflective Stickers

Spokes:

XDB Stainless Steel, 15 Gauge, Black

Tire Brand:

Electrak 2.0 Armadillo, 28" x 2" (700 x 51c) (51-622)

Wheel Sizes:

28 in (71.12cm)

Tire Details:

30 to 65 PSI, Armadillo Anti-Flat Technology, Gripton Compound

Tube Details:

Presta Valve

Accessories:

Custom Specialized Rack with Racktime Snap-it System and Integrated Rear Light (22 kg / 48.5 lb Max Load), Tubular Alloy Fenders (Extra-Long Flextender Multi-Plastic Lower Piece), Integrated Specialized Headlight with Aspheric Lens Technology (12 Volt, Two-LED, 600 Lumen, IP67 Rated, Aluminum Die-Cast Body, Stem Mount), Custom Specialized Side Mirror (Alloy and Glass), Rack-Integrated Specialized Backlight with Lightguide Technology (12 Volt, 8 SMD LED, Clear Window, IP67 Rated, Plastic Injected Housing, Aluminum Rack Attachment Studs, Inner Cable Routing in Left Stud), Plastic Chainring Guard, Transparent Slap Guard Sticker, 40 mm Spaced Standard Rear-Mount Kickstand, Electronic Horn (Mounted Below Bottom Bracket), Optional Replacement Battery Pack $800

Other:

Locking Removable Battery Pack with ABUS Locking Core, 1.9 lb 42 Volt 4 Amp Charger with Rosenberger Plug (Magnetic EnergyBus Standard), Optional 1.3 lb Portable 1.6 Amp Travel Charger, IP67 Water and Dust Protection Rating on Battery Pack, Battery Stops with 4% at Top and Bottom to Avoid Straining Cells, Internal Cable Routing, Shimano CN-HG601 Chain

Electronic Details

Motor Brand:

Brose, Rx Street Tuned, Custom for Specialized

Motor Type:

Mid-Mounted Geared Motor
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Motor Nominal Output:

250 watts

Motor Peak Output:

530 watts

Motor Torque:

90 Newton meters

Battery Brand:

Samsung, LG

Battery Voltage:

36 volts

Battery Amp Hours:

16.8 ah

Battery Watt Hours:

604.8 wh

Battery Chemistry:

Lithium-ion

Charge Time:

4.5 hours (7 Hours with Optional Travel Charger)

Estimated Min Range:

30 miles (48 km)

Estimated Max Range:

80 miles (129 km)

Display Type:

BLOKS Removable Adjustable Angle 2.2" Backlit TFT Touch-Screen LCD (Buttons: History / Back, Home, Menu) with 5 Volt Micro-USB Female Plug, 5 LED Charge Indicator / Power Button on Battery

Readouts:

Battery Level (5 Bars or Percentage), Assist Level (Off, Eco, Sport, Turbo), Trip Distance, Odometer, Available Range, Ride Time, Clock, Rider / Motor Power, Watts, Cadence, Elevation Profile, Distance Climb, Slope, Map

Display Accessories:

Independent Button Pad near Left Grip (Set, +, -, Light / Horn), Hold + for Walk Mode, Long-Press Set Twice for Settings Menu, Mission Control App (Bluetooth, iOS and Android)

Drive Mode:

Advanced Pedal Assist (Speed, Cadence and Torque Sensing, Eco: 20%, Sport: 50%, Turbo: 100%)

Top Speed:

28 mph (45 kph) (15.5 MPH in Europe)

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Written Review

Specialized has introduced four new urban electric bikes and the Vado 6.0 is their top-of-the-line offering. Compared with the original Specialized Turbo models, developed in 2010 and dating back to 2012 in the US, the Vado is more balanced and efficient. It relies on a mid-motor from Brose vs. a gearless hub from Go SwissDrive and is being produced in a mid-step as well as traditional diamond high-step frame style. This is excellent news for men and women alike, despite the gender-specific labeling and Body Geometry touch points that Specialized is highlighting. Those with limited flexibility, shorter legs, or the desire to ride with a loaded rear rack, might opt for the mid-step because it doesn’t sacrifice frame stiffness the way many other ebikes do. Both models feature a bottle cage mount on the downtube but the high-step has another pair of bosses on the underside of the top tube which can be used for a folding lock, mini pump or other accessories. And, since Specialized has used an ABUS locking core to secure the Vado battery, you can get a key-matched ABUS folding lock to reduce the number of keys floating around in your life. Note that the demo models we were riding for this media event / review were pre-production and had Specialized Z-Cage bottle holders and SWAT toolkits added, these are not stock.

I was riding a glossy yellow Men’s size Medium and the ladies were spread across black Medium and Small sized Vado 6.0’s. Even though this ebike looks great, I think the triangle downtube isn’t quite as beautiful as the older straight tube… and you miss out on regenerative braking, but benefit from efficient freewheeling action whereas the hub produced cogging slowdown (magnetic drag). Specialized reps stressed this point during the press event, but I think it’s true of most mid-drive systems using high-end motors like Brose, Bosch, or Yamaha that coasting and pedaling is unimpeded. Indeed, I was able to reach 40+ MPH coasting down a steep section of pavement in the hills of Los Altos, California during our demo ride. The bikes really shine on smooth tarmac but I didn’t suffer as much going over cracks and potholes as I have on some of the earlier Turbo models thanks to a 50 mm suspension fork. You could lock this out for increased stiffness and have access to compression and preload adjust. Suspension aside, the fatter 51c (2-inch) wide tires absorb vibration and shock pretty well on their own. It’s interesting to see the Vado 5.0 with a rigid Aluminum Alloy fork because at higher speeds and longer distances, you really start to feel the jitter and that’s a high-speed model as well. One area to consider upgrading on any of the Vado models is the seat post which is rigid aluminum with a 30.9 mm diameter. There are lots of quality suspension seat posts available now in the $150 range, and they go a long way towards reducing neck and back stiffness (at least for me). The cockpit come setup with 25 mm of riser stacks under the stem, which is fairly short so you don’t have to lean far forward. In summary, this is a high-quality, stable, good looking electric bike from a mainstream manufacturer. Other highlights include 180 mm hydraulic disc brakes with tool-free reach adjust on the levers and read switches that signal bright mode for the rear light when pulled. Many electric bicycles come with bells, but the Vado 5.0 and 6.0 come with an electronic horn that’s quite satisfying to honk… for fun or otherwise. I love the 11-speed Shimano Deore XT Shadow Plus drivetrain because it shifts quickly and has a one-way clutch (a little grey lever on the side) to keep the chain tight on rough terrain. It also has rigid thru-axles front and rear to increase stiffness and stability at high speed, neither these or the seat tube collar have quick release (to prevent theft or tampering). You get reinforced rims, puncture-resistant tires, integrated LED lights (the headlight was designed by a motorcycle maker and is said to evenly distribute light) and a pair of life-changing fenders. Actually, I feel like they could have named this bike the Specialized Turbo Fender because that’s where the real action is happening! Sure, they custom tuned the suspension fork, dialed in the motor controller, opted for high-end batteries from Samsung / LG and got a battery management system from the people who design for Apple… but those fenders! Made from tubular Aluminum alloy, they are stiff, quiet, and supposedly very effective. Unfortunately, there was no rain available for me to confirm, but this video was pretty convincing. Normal tubular alloy fenders work great but usually stop short in the front because they could get in the way of your toes while pedaling or collide with curbs and other low obstacles. So, Specialized developed a bendable plastic extender called the Flextender (cute). And, with a bit of wind-tunnel testing, they realized that water is often deposited towards the back of fenders and then gradually pushed forward during high-speed rides… only to blow back into your face. Did I mention the Vado 5.0 and 6.0 can hit ~28 mph and are classified as Class 3 speed pedelecs? So yeah, you’ll get to work faster but your face might get very wet if it weren’t for those fenders. This is where another little innovation comes in. Two curved strips of plastic were designed into the upper edge of the front fender to chanel water out of the sides vs. straight up and forward. Apparently, in parts of Europe there are fenders with little brushes that perform a similar role. It’s a proven concept but one that Specialized has dialed in. One final callout I’d like to make is the magnetic charging port cover for the battery pack. Specialized uses the EnergyBus Rosenberger Standard which can be connected to the charger on or off the bike and pops out easily if tripped over. The only downside to this standard (as seen with earlier Turbo models) is that the cover for the port can be set down and left behind… only to be vacuumed up or swallowed by small children. So yay! The cover now stays attached thanks to a little rubber leash.

Driving the Vado models, all of them, is a Brose mid-drive that physically the same as what’s used for the Specialized Levo mountain line of ebikes. I was told that the software has been optimized for each product line and speed class (the slower Vado 2.0 and 3.0 vs. the Class 3 Vado 5.0 and 6.0). You’ll get increased range riding slower on the Class 1 models (up to 20 mph) but the battery packs are lower capacity and don’t reduce weight because the cells aren’t as energy dense. It really comes down to price and desire for speed. Anyway, the confusing thing for me is that the motor systems are rated at 250 watts nominal for the 20 mph bikes and 350 watts nominal for the 28 mph bikes. And to me, this just seems like marketing because I believe they can all reach 90 Nm of torque output (which is more than Bosch or Yamaha) and they peak out above 500 watts. I’m telling you this because there are many other Brose powered electric bikes on the market these days and I think the real difference is not so much in the hardware or watt rating but in how the controllers are setup, how the batteries are integrated into the frame, and possibly how the motor is cooled. And Specialized is a leader in all of those arenas. A plastic skid plate is mounted along the base of the bottom bracket motor area with channels for air to pass through and passively cool the drive system (allowing it to operate more consistently and for longer periods at high-power). That sounds pretty neat but my first thought was “won’t dust or mud get in there?” and that’s where those magical fenders come in again. Note that the electronics on this ebike are all rated against water and dust ingress at IP67 so you can probably hose it down (with low pressure) without risk of damaging the electronics. The final points to share about the motor are that it uses an internal belt system to transfer power from planetary gears to the chainring which makes it feel smooth and operate quietly, and that it relies on rear wheel speed, pedal cadence and pedal torque to activate. Unlike many of the other systems on the market, which use spoke-mounted magnets to measure rear wheel speed, the Vado uses a disc-rotor mounted magnet that is less likely to be bumped out of alignment… or hacked, for those who try to change how motor performance is handled using after market dongles.

Powering the bike is a massive 36 volt 16.8 amp hour battery pack with some of the highest grade of energy-dense Lithium-ion cells available on the market today. Unfortunately, I got to the press event late and was not able to take the pack off to weigh it independently… so the Swiss product manager told me it’s ~6.6 lbs. I’ll be sure to weigh one in the future and update this. Assuming he’s correct, that weight is pretty good for 604.8 watt-hours of capacity. Unfortunately, I didn’t see a handle on the pack and was not able to take it off and really hold it myself. This is one of the most sensitive, expensive parts of the bike. So be careful with it and consider leaving it on-frame to charge. If you live upstairs, you can use walk-assist (hold the plus button on the control pad) to help you push the bike vs. lifting it as I did towards the end of the review. It’s a bit of a trade-off unfortunately, because with walk-assist the pedals can bang on the steps or hit your shins. At 55.4 lbs, this is not the lightest electric bike out there by any means. I did weight it independently and think that the bottle cage and tiny SWAT toolset might have added a half pound or so but this is still slightly more than the Specialized reps said. The Turbo line has always been a little heavy, but that gives the bike a solid stable feel… and the weight is positioned very low and spread naturally across the Vado frame vs. the rear-heavy Turbo X and S models. The largest battery should take you from 30 to 80+ miles depending on how you ride, how much you weigh, how old the pack is and even what temperature it is outside. Store it in a cool, dry place and always avoid high heat. I wasn’t able to test this, but I’d guess a full charge would take 4.6 hours from empty with the stock 4 Amp charger. Specialized sells a smaller, lighter weight 2 Amp charger for travel or if you’ve got limited space in your bags and want to take it along.

Operating the Vado e-bikes is a one-step process that starts with a button near the top end of the battery pack. Once mounted, press this power button for a full second and look for the five green LED lights below the button to flicker on. Then, look up at the TFT display panel and wait… The system isn’t as quick or intuitive to turn on and off as some others, the most intuitive being Bosch, and I found myself a little confused at times, especially when turning it off. I felt like I had held the off button and should see some feedback about the system shutting down but then the display would just stay on. It’s like those automobile lights that stay on for a few minutes even after you’ve shut the car off, locked it, and walked away. I was told by another rep that the display times off on its own after a bit longer, perhaps this is meant to keep the lights active for safety if you’re parking on the street? The fact that the display can be removed from the bike is very handy because it can reduce tampering and weather wear (or vandalism), so maybe I should have just twisted and taken the display to ensure the bike was shut off? I’ve been trained by other ebike brands not to do this until products have been fully shut down so as not to disrupt the system. Anyway, it’s a cute little screen and features touch controls for quick intuitive navigation of settings. Despite being small in size, the readouts are large and clear. Because it’s transflective, the display is easy to see in bright settings but is also backlit for the dark. I mostly like it and feel that the remote button pad (used to navigate the three levels of assist, change readouts and honk the horn) is easy to reach and understand without being distracting or attention grabbing. The display mounts to a special adapter on the stem along with the headlight and can be pivoted up or down to reduce glare if not over-tightened. And of course, there’s the Micro-USB port at the base of the display panel which is perfect for charging your phone or additional portable electronic devices. The Turbo Levo electric mountain bike models did not have USB charging ports and this meant that using the Bluetooth Mission Control app would drain your phone. With the Vado, there’s plenty of space on the handlebar to mount your phone and keep it charged… And you can use the app to plan rides and tell the bike to arrive with a set percentage of battery remaining. Or, you can send GPS data to the TFT display on the bike and leave your phone in your backpack… This is a cool feature because it saves phone battery (since I believe it’s able to receive data from your phone without the phone screen being on). It keeps the dash area of the bike clear and doesn’t require such a fancy ebike system that might require a phone plan of its own to operate and download map data. In short, the display is a big step up from the Levo (which didn’t have a display at all) and prior Specialized Turbo models which used rubberized joystick navigation (that would often wear thin or break) but I wish it turned on and off a bit quicker or more intuitively.

It’s clear that Specialized has put a lot of thought into this new city line of electric bikes. And depending on how you intend to ride, you could swap the tires for some hybrid designs up to 52 mm in width and still manage to use the fenders. The rear rack is sleek and capable with Racktime mounting points compatible with baskets and other branded accessories and the lights are bright and sleek so you don’t have to add your own later, charge them separately, or deal with extra wires. Just like most of the other Specialized e-bikes, the Vado feels clean. The big upgrade for me was in frame balance, climbing power, and operational efficiency if you shift appropriately. Even though it’s not super light, it’s easier to lift and carry. Shifting gears is one area to be careful with, especially if you find yourself climbing a hill from rest Be patient and slow, practice shifting down as you approach stops so that you can accelerate more efficiently and reduce hard shifts. If you do start off in a high gear, gather some momentum then ease back on your pedal force and THEN shift. If you handle the bike carefully like this and learn to shift thoughtfully, the chain, sprockets and drivetrain will last a lot longer between tuneups and not break as often. My Uncle has owned a mid-drive powered electric bike with built in shift sensing and he has gone through several chains and two high-end derailleurs over the course of a couple years. Now, he ride every day and uses the bike off-road… but that’s the big opportunity with a bike like the Vado that could help you commute every day. It’s very capable, blends in, can go far while keeping you dry and safe, and there’s a range of models to fit your body size and budget. Big thanks to Specialized for offering to fly me out to their event (I drove) and putting me up in a super fancy hotel for a night. They provided locks and schwag for members of the press (along with a nice dinner) but I got there too late and missed out on some of the goodies. Dang! Events like this are fun but I’ve been extra detailed and transparent here in the review and am trying to scrutinize the bike so you can decide if it fits your needs. I imagine that for many people, this could be the first ebike they’ve come across, which is ironic considering how perfectly it blends in. I love that Specialized is sold through a wide network of shops around the world, that they offer a solid warranty, and are committed to developing integrated solutions with custom work vs. a bolt-on kit. For those with limited budgets but a love for speed and beauty, check out the older Specialized Turbo ebike models that have been on sale in recent months to make way for the Vado.

Pros:

  • Interactive TFT touch-screen display panel allows you to navigate menus quickly, can sync with the Mission Control smartphone app to display GPS, track routes, and record elevation, you can also engage with it using the handlebar remote to adjust assist level or cycle through standard trip stats like odometer, trip distance, ride time and range estimator
  • The display panel interface has a Micro-USB port offering 5 Volts and 700+ milliamps of power so you can charge a phone and use the Bluetooth Mission Control app from Specialized while riding without draining your battery too much, the app allows you to plan trips and adjust motor performance characteristics at a deeper level
  • Sturdy tubular fenders hug the tires to keep you dry and clean, the front fender is extra-long featuring a multi-plastic (sort of rubberized) Flextender to keep your feet and shins dry, if this portion of the fender is kicked or collides with a curb it bends naturally, Specialized calls their new fenders “drytech” and has tested them in a wind tunnel to simulate how water responds at ~20 mph, the top portion of the front fender features a plastic wall to spread water to the sides vs. out to the front and up into your face… this can happen when air is pushed quickly forward at high speed
  • The fenders and rack were very quiet, even though the Flextender portion vibrated and bounced around a bit, it didn’t produce much noise at all and the custom cargo rack felt sturdy but didn’t add much width or length to the bike, I like how it’s minimalist and integrates the brake light
  • Integrated lights help you see and be seen in dark riding conditions, the headlight is mounted underneath the stem keeping the cockpit clean and points where you steer, the rear light is at the very end of the rack so it won’t get blocked by panniers or trunk bags and it goes extra-bright when either brake lever is pulled
  • In addition to integrated LED lights, there are several reflective stickers on the fenders and rims to increase your visual footprint in dark riding conditions, this is especially important given the optional black / grey color scheme
  • The Brose mid-drive motor is extremely compact and quiet, it has a carbon belt inside that transfers power from the planetary gear, it feels smooth and is very responsive… the base of the bottom bracket has vents to allow air to pass directly across the motor casing and cool it
  • Excellent weight distribution with both the motor and battery mounted low and center,
    the frame is totally custom so the electronics blend in and wires are internally routed, the battery doesn’t stand out thanks to a paint-matched shell
  • I like how the battery tips out towards the left side vs. going up and down because this allows the mid-step frame to have a lower top tube and will reduce frame bumps when mounting and dismounting the battery
  • Available in four frame sizes for improved fit, I was riding the Medium for this review ant it handled very well in a default “upright” position but the stem can be flipped and spacers put on top vs. below if you want a more aggressive aerodynamic body position
  • The Men’s high-step Vado frame has two sets of bottle cage bosses (in the traditional spot on top of the downtube and below the top tube) This is especially useful if you want to mount a folding lock, mini-pump or other accessories without adding panniers or a trunk bag
  • Specialized offers a solid two-year comprehensive warranty with lifetime on the frame and has a vast network of dealers who can provide expert fitting and maintenance
  • The bike frame was designed to feel stable and I was able to pedal down a hill at 40+ mph comfortably, Specialized uses Body Geometry fit data from over a decade of research and includes gender-specific Body Geometry saddle and grips for improved comfort
  • The battery pack and display are removable so you can store them safely and charge them conveniently, I’d suggest removing the battery when carrying the bike or using walk mode to help climb stairs, the locking core is made by Abus and they can match folding locks to the same key for convenience and reduced clutter if you want
  • The charger has a magnetic interface so it won’t knock your bike over as easily if the cord gets tripped over,
    the cover for this plug on the bike is also magnetic and has a little rubber leash so it won’t get lost so easy
  • High-end 11-speed drivetrain makes it easy to start and climb or maintain the ~28 mph top speed, The Shimano Deore XT Shadow+ derailleur keeps the chain tight on bumps to reduce bouncing and slipping with a one-way adjustable clutch (this drivetrain has traditionally been reserved for mountain bikes), the same clutch can make removing the rear wheel easier if locked so the derailleur doesn’t spring back
  • Unlike the Specialized Turbo Levo e-mountain bikes that also use the Brose drive system, for the Vado models the battery actually locks to the frame (the mountain models just have a 15 mm thru-axle holding it in place) and the charging port has been elevated to the top of the pack to stay clear of the cranks vs. the Vado where it’s very low, basically under the bottom bracket
  • The battery mounts from the top left side so putting it on and taking it off is less likely to bang the top tube and has allowed for a lower top tube on the Women’s model
  • The drive system uses freewheels to decouple when pedaling unpowered (or above the top assisted speed) which is likely what other Brose ebikes do as I did not notice a difference… but Specialized was emphasizing this
  • Unlike most other bikes with kickstands, the Vado put a 40 mm mounting bracket on the inside of the left chainstay to make it look sleeker… even the stand looks tight and sleek
  • With great power and speed come great responsibility! and for that you get Tektro Zurich hydraulic disc brakes with 180 mm rotors and quad pistons that reduce overheating
  • In addition to having a plastic chainring guard (that keeps your pants or dress clear of the front sprocket and oily chain), the sprocket itself uses a narrow wide tooth pattern that grabs the chain better to reduce drops and noise

Cons:

  • I love that the Vado 6.0 has wider tires and includes a suspension fork (vs. the 5.0 that has a rigid Aluminum fork) but would still consider the use of a 30.9 mm suspension seat post for longer rides on bumpy terrain, consider the BodyFloat Kinekt or Specialized CG-R Carbon Seatpost
  • The rear rack looks sleek (with fewer support arms) but doesn’t support as much weight as most standard racks I see on other ebikes, you get 48.5 lbs (22 kg) vs. 55 lbs (25 kg) capacity
  • You pay a premium for what amounts to a larger battery and higher speed on this model verses the Vado 3.0 which aslo has suspension, fenders, a rear rack and LED lights (though the headlight is brighter here)
  • This doesn’t seem to be an issue for most riders who reduce pedal pressure as they shift gears (because the motor controller measures torque) but you don’t get shift sensing like Bosch and some Impulse motors which could result in more mashing if you’re not careful, I saw this happening a lot on our media ride… people would slow down for stop signs and lights just before hills (or on hills) and then clunk the gears hard shifting down as they started from zero which is bad for the chain, sprockets and derailleur
  • Unfortunately, the tires on the Vado models do not have reflective tape on the sides, this reduces your visual footprint which is a bummer (apparently it’s a requirement in the EU) but at least they put reflective stickers on the rims
  • I don’t think the battery has an integrated handle, so be careful taking it off the bike and carrying it around, it’s sensitive and should be handled with care
  • The bike takes a moment to power on after pressing the on/off button at the top of the battery pack, I feel like you have to press that button for a full second and the display isn’t immediate to light up or turn off… it just feels annoying compared to some others like Bosch

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ROJA
1 day ago

2016 Turbo X (but probably the same for all non-Levo/Vado Turbos)

When I tried to remove my water-bottle cage, it was screwed in so tightly that I couldn't loosen it individually and it actually opened up the battery. Has anyone else had this issue and what is the remedy?

(the cage was installed by the Specialized dealer, so if there is an issue I think they will take responsibility)

ROJA
1 day ago

I know this is off-topic but if you wouldn't mind offering an opinion I would like to ask you which of these two bikes would you purchase at this point in time ignoring the price?

I plan to purchase either the Specialized Turbo or the Trek XM 700+.

Obviously this is an individual choice, but since you are quite knowledgeable about the Specialized Turbo I thought you might have an opinion.

As I might have mentioned previously I have ridden road bikes for 30 years but I have never purchased an E bike. I have tested the Trek XM 700+ and today I'm going to test the Specialized Turbo. I also mentioned previously that I'm in my late 70s. I would like to ride a little further than I do currently with somewhat less effort. Of course there is my 89 year old friend on his Catrike with the BionX D that I would like to ride with at a reasonable pace.

Any advice you might offer would be appreciated.

Thank you

Hey Velome-

I actually planned to buy the XM 700+. It looked great on paper and I almost put down a deposit sight unseen based on the reviews alone. But I figured I should ride both the XM and the Turbo first. And after those two test rides, the decision was very easy! I was MUCH more impressed with the Turbo X. The XM has the advantage of being lighter, but it didn't ride nearly as well and it just didn't feel like a purpose-built e-bike. I also rode the Turbo S and while it was extremely powerful, it was too harsh for me. The Turbo X was the sweet spot- great power and performance but with a bit of comfort from the suspension seatpost and the suspension fork.

That said, both the XM and the Turbo are now prior-generation bikes (replaced by the Vado and the Supercommuter). Pro is that they should be cheaper but the con is that they aren't state of the art anymore (if that matters to you).

But I agree with the esteemed Mr. Ruby - definitely ride them both!

ronin2000
4 days ago

It seems to be a terrific looking bike. They did a much better job of integrating the battery into the downtube than Specialized did on the new Vados, at least from the pictures so far. Still can't get behind the whole mid drive thing, though, not just yet. I hate to see the original Turbos going away, they were about as elegant as it gets as far as the design of the things.

Saw the Vado in person, I almost threw up. its a hideous bike, also 2/3 of the bikes had broken rear sections on the rack. Thats disconcerting. If I have to replace my Turbo with a road bike, it will be the Super8

Douglas Ruby
4 days ago

The "Clean Cockpit" control on the later model Turbo, Turbo X, and Turbo S (the original 2013 bikes had a different control) has been a VERY weak point of the entire Turbo line. The joystick is not easy to use and is flimsy and a cause of failure. The backlight also fails, making it hard to read. The cable on the handlebar can get caught and be damaged. This is documented in the sticky post.

Further, on the earlier SRAM/Formula models, the "clean cockpit" has the Formula brake and SRAM shift lever mount integrated, which makes adjusting for viewing angle, brake and shifter positioning a difficult process. I was able to get a broken Formula C1 brake lever and cut off the handle so that I could clamp the brakes and display separately. Further, I had to purchase a Shimano handlebar clamp Deore XTR shifter to make the swap to 11-speed derailleur. I now have three separate clamps on the right side of my handlebar. But everything works ergonomically and I am able to use my thumb to control the bike and shift, see the display ok, and brake with hand positions on the bar end or on the grips.

Aside from getting replacement displays from Specialized under warranty, this is not going to get fixed. In the Vado it has been addressed with a whole new approach in which the "smarts" of the bike are in a center mounted removeable display rather than in the battery.

Velome
6 days ago

Velome,

Many thanks. This is the "base Turbo" that was originally introduced in late 2014 as a 2015 model. At that time it had a price of $3,800. In late 2015 the price was dropped to $3,000 for the 2016 model year. In late 2016, the price was again dropped to $2,500 for the 2017 model year. Now, as the Turbo Vado is about to be introduced, stores are "clearing" these out at prices below the suggested Specialized price of $2,500, as in the case of your LBS. In virtually all cases, these are bicycles originally manufactured for the 2015 model year and sold as "carry over" stock in succeeding years. These are either new bicycles that have been in Specialized warehouse for some time, or dealer display/demo stock. In my case, I purchased a "2016" base Turbo that was ordered for me and delivered to my LBS in November of 2015. The actual build date was October of 2014. The manufacture date is on a data plate on the underside of the top tube of the frame.

Having said this, the price from your first URL is a very good price for the same model Turbo as mine. It has the 200 W motor and the 468 Wh battery with no bluetooth capability. It has an SRAM X7 10-speed derailleur with 11-32 cassette and Formula C1 brakes. This is the same bike as reviewed by Court Rye in may of 2015 here: https://electricbikereview.com/specialized/turbo/.

You can get the full factory specs by clicking on the hidden link in the second URL that says: "VIEW ALL TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS"

In any case, great price. I would suggest that you consider investing in an SRAM 11-36 cassette and some Kool Stop brake pads to give you a bit better climbing ability and better braking. The combination of both would add around $140 to your bike. Also, the Bionx D500 definitely has more torque than this rear wheel, but a lower top speed. I am sure that you would have no problem keeping up with your friend. You might even put him in the weeds!
Thank you so much for the very thorough write-up. If I understand you correctly it’s possible this bike might have been manufactured two plus years ago. If this is the case would that be detrimental to the life of the battery? The bike is being delivered to a local bike shop here from another shop so I won’t see it until Thursday at which time I’ll check for the date on the bike. Previously I had found all the specs on both the local bike shop website and Specialized website. Of course neither one indicated the wattage of the motor. I’d heard of the Kool stop pads but mostly in regards to no squeak which always bothers me with disc brakes. I’ll certainly consider your two recommendations if I purchased the bike.

I dictated this because I injured my hand on a fall on my bike. I was riding on a bike path next to a four-lane highway and a vehicle was coming out from a side street and didn’t stop before the bike path where there is a stop sign, so I stopped so quickly with my disc brakes that I couldn’t get my foot out of my clipless pedal in time and fell over on my left side injuring my right hand, which has been in a brace for five weeks and will be for another three weeks. So in 30 years of riding my bike this was only the second time that I have fallen. The first time was when I was much younger and I didn’t injure myself. If I purchased this bike I’m going to stick with platform pedals. However, I will leave clipless petals on all my other bikes.

Thanks again for all of the information.

Douglas Ruby
6 days ago

Velome,

Many thanks. This is the "base Turbo" that was originally introduced in late 2014 as a 2015 model. At that time it had a price of $3,800. In late 2015 the price was dropped to $3,000 for the 2016 model year. In late 2016, the price was again dropped to $2,500 for the 2017 model year. Now, as the Turbo Vado is about to be introduced, stores are "clearing" these out at prices below the suggested Specialized price of $2,500, as in the case of your LBS. In virtually all cases, these are bicycles originally manufactured for the 2015 model year and sold as "carry over" stock in succeeding years. These are either new bicycles that have been in Specialized warehouse for some time, or dealer display/demo stock. In my case, I purchased a "2016" base Turbo that was ordered for me and delivered to my LBS in November of 2015. The actual build date was October of 2014. The manufacture date is on a data plate on the underside of the top tube of the frame.

Having said this, the price from your first URL is a very good price for the same model Turbo as mine. It has the 200 W motor and the 468 Wh battery with no bluetooth capability. It has an SRAM X7 10-speed derailleur with 11-32 cassette and Formula C1 brakes. This is the same bike as reviewed by Court Rye in may of 2015 here: https://electricbikereview.com/specialized/turbo/.

You can get the full factory specs by clicking on the hidden link in the second URL that says: "VIEW ALL TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS"

In any case, great price. I would suggest that you consider investing in an SRAM 11-36 cassette and some Kool Stop brake pads to give you a bit better climbing ability and better braking. The combination of both would add around $140 to your bike. Also, the Bionx D500 definitely has more torque than this rear wheel, but a lower top speed. I am sure that you would have no problem keeping up with your friend. You might even put him in the weeds!

Douglas Ruby
6 days ago

Velome,

There arent any 2017 Turbos. There are Turbo Levo or Turbo Vado. If this is an older Turbo model, it is generally leftover. I f you can point me to a URL I can give you some data.

Doug

Court
1 week ago

Hey Mike, I have been able to use walk assist to get up stairs (did that recently with the Turbo Vado electric bike, watch the video at 19:18) but the pedals move forward with a mid-drive system so they banged into the steps and kind of crowded my legs... it's not a perfect solution but it does help. Most Bosch and Brose ebikes do have walk assist enabled but there are a few brands that do not, including Trek. You usually have to press walk assist and either hold it or then hold the plus or forward button on a keypad so you end up balancing the bike and trying to hold onto the button all while climbing stairs and it can be a little tricky.

It seems like fewer electric bikes are offering throttles these days but if you do have this option, it can help you get up stairs but has the same balance plus twist or push on the trigger difficulty. You'll be doing multiple things at once and often times, the throttle is on the right bar which means you either have to use your left hand (my non-dominant hand) or reach across the bike with your right hand and this can be difficult. Also, throttles usually offer a lot more power and it could be difficult to regulate that power to slowly climb stairs vs. taking off and maybe pulling you up and to the side.

So neither of these are perfect solutions to carrying a heavy electric bicycle up stairs, both walk assist and throttle tend to be challenging to operate while also climbing and balancing with your body and I have noticed that the tire will spin and create marks on stairs or possibly tear up carpet. The pedals could collide and you could end up falling over and then down the steps with a heavy e-bike landing on top of you. My best advice is to search for a lightweight electric bike with a removable battery pack and either take two trips or remove the battery and put it into a backpack while lifting or pushing the bike frame. I have a whole category of light electric bike reviews that you could explore along with a search filter that can let you set a maximum weight. I hope this helps and wish you luck! Do be safe climbing steps with your bike and feel free to share what you end up choosing or any other tips that you discover during your search.

JRA
1 week ago

I ride a bike that will maintain 28+ on level ground and am 195.

While it is possible to get to 28 just by putting a Vado, or the equivalent EU-US spec class III bike, in turbo getting it in the highest gear ratio and pedaling to activate the PAS I don't see how one could maintain that speed for very long given that their peak power output is at the most 700 or so watts. And at that you are going to be burning wh's much like as represented above. Few that I have seen have a final drive ratio high enough also that won't have both the motor and your legs rpm's maxed out. My setup does however allowing for a comfortable cadence at speed while adding as much wattage of my own as desired.

In comparison there is a big difference between going 20 mph and 28 in regards to pushing though the air and how much power that takes. This is from a more typical ride

Both were done with active but no sweat pedaling in similar terrain although the longer ride had one decent climb, another wh drain. Almost twice the distance and half the wh/mi at the slower average pace is a substantial gain and why most of my riding is done averaging in the high teens to lower 20mph.

Although motorcycles get decent gas mileage I have always thought they should do better given their power to weight ratio, but now I think it is because of the poor aero dynamics of the human form at speeds over 25mph.

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Ravi Kempaiah
1 week ago

So I love biking. I am in the market for an ebike. To cut to the chase other than output in Watts , Can anyone tell me how much assist in mph can I get from the electric motor vs just pedaling with the motor turned off? Assume flat ground and no wind , with a 200 pound rider. Its great reading stats of how long a battery lasts . I am thinking of buying the 2017 specialized turbo vado 6.0. Their marketing website says capable of reaching 28 mph but how much input do I have to do to get there and maintain that speed?

A test ride would give you more insight than any number of responses here.
Maintaining 28mph on any Brose motor powered bike requires substantial input.

edgechaser
1 week ago

So I love biking. I am in the market for an ebike. To cut to the chase other than output in Watts , Can anyone tell me how much assist in mph can I get from the electric motor vs just pedaling with the motor turned off? Assume flat ground and no wind , with a 200 pound rider. Its great reading stats of how long a battery lasts . I am thinking of buying the 2017 specialized turbo vado 6.0. Their marketing website says capable of reaching 28 mph but how much input do I have to do to get there and maintain that speed?

Bengt A
2 weeks ago

I've done some more review testing and updated my report with more photos and data. https://electricbikesnz.com/2017/06/03/specialized-turbo-vado-3-0-the-tech-savvy-younger-sister/
Good news is that the Vado 3.0 tops the leaderboard in my 'very steep road' climb, beating even a Bosch CX. I have so say that it's a damn nice bike to ride - it feels light and well balanced on road and off-road. Even when I ran out of battery it pedalled just like a regular bike. Looking very much forward to the 6.0 when we finally get one here.
@Reku have heard rumour that the app will be available in November. That sucks a lot for people waiting for it/promised it. Apparently it is a whole new app, not an update to the current Mission Control.
@JayVee having spent a bit of time with the bike I found that the assist levels are well dialled. It's not like the old Turbo (S) where there was a big different between say Eco40 and Eco50.

The price 5800 dollar is that for Vado 3.0 ?
Looks a bit expensivie

bazzapage
2 weeks ago

I've done some more review testing and updated my report with more photos and data. https://electricbikesnz.com/2017/06/03/specialized-turbo-vado-3-0-the-tech-savvy-younger-sister/
Good news is that the Vado 3.0 tops the leaderboard in my 'very steep road' climb, beating even a Bosch CX. I have so say that it's a damn nice bike to ride - it feels light and well balanced on road and off-road. Even when I ran out of battery it pedalled just like a regular bike. Looking very much forward to the 6.0 when we finally get one here.
@Reku have heard rumour that the app will be available in November. That sucks a lot for people waiting for it/promised it. Apparently it is a whole new app, not an update to the current Mission Control.
@JayVee having spent a bit of time with the bike I found that the assist levels are well dialled. It's not like the old Turbo (S) where there was a big different between say Eco40 and Eco50.

Ann M.
3 weeks ago

@eagamer80 and everyone else, this is a sensitive topic and I personally agree that we can all do more with respect to pollution, especially here in the US. For now, though, this thread is about the Turbo Vado and I appreciate reading about everyone's experience with this ebike.

Bengt A
3 weeks ago

I haven't quite finished my review on the Vado 3.0, but I have posted it anyway pending an update and better photos later https://electricbikesnz.com/2017/06/03/specialized-turbo-vado-3-0-the-tech-savvy-younger-sister/

Congrats to your 32 kph here in sweden it's only 25 kph with my Vado 4.0

E-Wheels
3 weeks ago

Anyone got a chrystal ball or willing to make an estimate as to how long spare batteries for the 2017 Vado will be available after the model is eventually replaced by something newer
I really like the current Vado and the only thing preventing me from buying one is the risk regarding availability to source a spare frame integrated battery after the current model is superseded
I have read other posters concerns regarding the first Turbo models and the assumption that replacement batteries for them will only be available up until 2020...then what?
What are your thoughts....should I go with a Bosch powered ebike to mitigate any battery redundancy issues

Douglas Ruby
3 weeks ago

I haven't quite finished my review on the Vado 3.0, but I have posted it anyway pending an update and better photos later https://electricbikesnz.com/2017/06/03/specialized-turbo-vado-3-0-the-tech-savvy-younger-sister/
Thanks for the review. When you get more details, let us know.

bazzapage
3 weeks ago

I haven't quite finished my review on the Vado 3.0, but I have posted it anyway pending an update and better photos later https://electricbikesnz.com/2017/06/03/specialized-turbo-vado-3-0-the-tech-savvy-younger-sister/

Bengt A
3 weeks ago

According to a German forum, the app will suit the new vado turbo bikes coming to iphone and Android in the fall or winter. Do you have previous bikes and mission control app would it be nice if you could share what you use the app for and what you can do with it?

Matt A
3 weeks ago

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I feel like my Intuvia gives me what I need in terms of feedback except: what I would really like is a summary for each trip of what percentage or miles I spent in Eco or Tour etc. I try to manage my range and workout just as a rough guess and I tell myself "I want to do this commute at least 40% in Eco". So I try to keep a mental log as I ride but obviously that won't be close to being exact. Does the Nyon give you that info on how much distance or trip percentage by mode?

This may sound crazy but regarding your suspension upgrade: have you considered a second bike? It seems to me that Delite is designed as a trekking/commuter bike and not for rougher off-road riding. Another Bosch bike would allow you to switch the batteries out. I'm actually considering a second commuter bike perhaps the Haibike Trekking 5.0. I like the idea of switching my ride from time to time and moving from the fatter tires of the Charger to something a little more traditional bike-like. I was interested in the Specialized Vado 6.0 that is just being released but I also like the idea of sticking with Bosch in order to be able to switch those batteries.

My Charger is running great by the way. I commuted twice this week (today included) and I'm settling in on a consistent 2 hours and 10 minutes for about 34 miles total. I'm close to 850 miles.
I forgot one other thing. I don't really use the Custom Riding Mode option, but you would probably benefit from it. I have a lot of battery and mostly use Turbo. I ride quite fast the majority of the time, so it will still be a workout in Turbo. With averaging a lower speed, and not having to stop ever 100 feet for a red light will probably make the custom riding modes very beneficial. There is a huge jump between Eco and Tour. So hypothetically, you could have the 4 standard modes to use, while also having say 4 super specific modes all in between Eco and Tour.

There is also Topographic Range which causes gives you a range estimate based on the Topography of your route or just the land around you in general. You can pull up a map with Topographic range and it will show you a very detailed squiggly circle showing the radius with which you can travel based on elevation.

With the suspension upgrade to the Delite, most people kind of look at me like I am crazy for doing it. I am going with a 120mm travel 2018 Fox Float 34 Factory series as well as the Fox Foat Factory DPS EVOL rear shock, both with that nice looking Kashima coat. My motivation for upgrading is because I ride fast, really fast a lot of times. In areas that permit, I am always jumping curbs, and if I have no cargo, a speedbump becomes a small jump. Riding fast means occasionally hitting some nasty potholes. I do want to take the bike on some trails sometimes, but nothing serious. I think it can handle things fine from what I have tested, the only thing I will switch when going on trails is to swap out the Super Moto X's with some Rock Razors.

The 120mm fork will slack the head angle some, which provides better stability but slower handling. With the current angle on the bike as it sits, it has some room for the extra 20mm of travel without a noticeable compromise to handling. What about the Delite would you say makes it not for trails? I think the bike geometry isn't ideal for trails, but trails will be 1% of my riding. Other than that, the rack of course is dumb for trails, and fenders would get in the way, but I will be swapping the tires and removing the fenders for trails. The rack is no big deal. If I were to get a 2nd bike for trails, I would get a regular MTB and not an EMTB. I do not do enough trail riding to justify a 2nd bike. I don't even ride enough trails to justify the suspension upgrade, but I do ride a lot rougher and think I will benefit from it. I have tried adjusting the current ones a lot, and they just don't perform well on small bumps no matter what I do. On big hits and even most medium hits the suspension does well. Unfortunately the smaller bumps, cracks between sidewalk blocks, and cobblestones are absolutely jarring and teeth rattling.

Good luck with your next bike purchase if you decide to get another! The Turb Vado 6.0 is pretty cool, but I would have to stick with Bosch as well. I haven't used 2,000 Wh in one trip yet, but knowing I have a dual battery and have my girlfriends 2 batteries to throw in a bag means I can really go any distance I could ever imagine traveling on a bike. I am glad your Charger is holding up really well for you. One thing I noticed, and it may just be me, but my girlfriend and I both got the same frame size for the Delite and Charger, but her bike is a bit more upright and also sits up higher than mine by an inch or so. I don't know what measurement to call it, but if both bikes are sitting right next to each other, her handlebars are higher than mine. This could just be the headset and spacer setup being different. I am of course biased, but I think my Delite will do great for some simple trail rides. I wouldn't take this on any serious trails with real downhill riding, the thing is wayyy too heavy and creates way too much momentum. I have to admit, I like having the best looking and best performance stuff. I upgraded to the Nyon since it seemed like a proper electronic to come with a $7,000 bike compared to the Intuvia, and same goes for the M99 Pro. The suspension is the only thing on the bike I have been able to find as a negative. It will complete the look and performance of the bike I wanted once the suspension is upgraded. For the price it would be cool to come with same suspension as the Delite mountain in my opinion, perhaps just tuned differently.

E-Wheels
4 weeks ago

Given some of the confusion and concern about the original Turbo batteries of late around here, that's almost an enticement to go with a Bosch system.
Would have to agree
Full battery integration on the Vado makes the bike more aesthetically pleasing, but it could also be the "Achilles Heel" in the decision making for a lot of potential buyers for the reasons owners of the superseded Turbo model have voiced in this forum
I think the semi integration of the battery on the Trek Super Commuter has merit and adds value to the overall aesthetics of the bike

E-Wheels
4 weeks ago

I don't know about the Vado motor arrangement, but using the motor as a "stressed member" of the frame is very common in motorcycles. Basically they use the strength of the motor frame to form an integral part of the frame geometry, thus saving weight, since you can use less frame material. This can be accomplished with the motor bolted into the frame, it doesn't have to be welded permanently. I would suspect this is the arrangement on the new Vado.
Thanks Douglas Ruby and Charlie Rohlfing for your comments.
This extract;

Brave design decisions
When it came to the design of the Turbo Vado Specialized didn’t want to be restricted by the constraints that surround the bolt-on motor solutions used by most manufacturers. Instead, Specialized took the unusual step of developing its own e-bike battery and worked closely with motor manufacturer Brose to produce a custom motor. The result is a totally integrated frame, motor, and battery that you won’t be able to buy from anyone else.

from the review at this link;

http://www.bikeradar.com/au/road/gear/category/bikes/electric/product/specialized-turbo-vado-review-51250/

cast some doubt in my mind as to how the motor coupled to the frame

Jan Hermanson
1 month ago

I'm waiting for the new mission control app for the new Turbo bikes, i can't pair my bike with the old one. . My dealer told me that the app will be out this week. Have You heard anything about this
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question mark
2 hours ago

What happened to the regen mode from the older Turbo is the Eco mode adjustable and what is the Sport mode?

Aaron ___
1 week ago

$5k, come on. for that you can buy a$1.5k all carbon road bike, the nicest kit, a home gym and eventually go as fast as this bike. only thing you're saving is sweat.

lancelot
1 week ago

the campus tour gave me chills, thanks for the video, man

fergleza
2 weeks ago

excellent bike better than the past models because the power wheel has no good vantages for fixing the wheel in case of fail in neumatic. but it has no regenerating energy

s trav
2 weeks ago

You won me over at adjustable nipples

Action Time
3 weeks ago

When is the review of the trek super commuter going to be up by chance?

kfleming
3 weeks ago

Great review! Can't wait to demo one soon. What is the camera/telemetry system you use that shows all the data along the bottom of the image? I really like the format. thanks

lottsalasagna
3 weeks ago

Those armadillo tires are amazing ... Super tuff

Lysle Basinger
4 weeks ago

What is the nifty readout at the bottom of the screen? Strava?

Lysle Basinger
4 weeks ago

What a noisy clunker. Both my under $500.00 electric bikes are a lot quieter.

1650million
4 weeks ago

I actually liked Stanford much more than the bike itself. For this type of bike, I believe the Riese&Muller you showed us some time ago is a much better bike.

And while I agree Stanford can be "inspiring", the 50K per palm tree reference inspired me to buy an axe and a flannel shirt... (Sheer wasteful ridiculousness)

Great video anyway, Court.

Baron Of Hell
4 weeks ago

I like the overlay you have during the ride showing the different stats.

Baron Of Hell
4 weeks ago

Great bottle holder. I would hate to go biking without a bottle of whiskey.

Chris Atkins II
4 weeks ago

super cool but 28 to fast

s0rc1
4 weeks ago

nice review, ty, i am sure this is a good bike, but i hate the looks of it, more then happy owning an old turbo x 😍

John Doe
1 month ago

The motor sounds louder than the 2016 Turbo, or ?

Austin Everitt
1 month ago

ElectricBikeReview.com I love your videos i watch every video they really do help as I'm gonna get one in about a year thanks so much for helping well done

m j
1 month ago

I don't like the fact that specialized won't allow you buy the diagnosis tool and software (even for a price). You can't tune your own bike! Having to take it to the shop and have them update the firmware or anything to do with the software is BS, most of the time the shop will make you leave the bike for two weeks. If one is comfortable working on a bike they should be allowed to.

David Macdonald
1 month ago

much nicer to see a longer review thanks .

Stephen Donohoe
1 month ago

Ive watched a lot of your vids, i would like to ask your opinion on, what bike would suit best for 90% on road 10% lite off road with decent milage, as i am looking to buy, i am 6foot tall, thanks in advance.