Riese & Müller Supercharger GT Touring Review

Riese Muller Supercharger Gt Touring Electric Bike Review
Riese Muller Supercharger Gt Touring
Riese Muller Supercharger Gt Touring Bosch Performance Line Cx Motor 19 Chainring
Riese Muller Supercharger Gt Touring Bosch Powertube 500 Plastic Covers
Riese Muller Supercharger Gt Touring Bosch Intuvia Display Fabric Bottle Bell
Riese Muller Supercharger Gt Touring Busch Muller Iq X Headlight
Riese Muller Supercharger Gt Touring Selle Royal New Lookin Gel Saddle
Riese Muller Supercharger Gt Touring Shimano Deore Xt 11 42 Cassette
Riese Muller Supercharger Gt Touring Pletscher Kickstand Abus Bordo 6000 Lock
Riese Muller Supercharger Gt Touring Electric Bike Review
Riese Muller Supercharger Gt Touring
Riese Muller Supercharger Gt Touring Bosch Performance Line Cx Motor 19 Chainring
Riese Muller Supercharger Gt Touring Bosch Powertube 500 Plastic Covers
Riese Muller Supercharger Gt Touring Bosch Intuvia Display Fabric Bottle Bell
Riese Muller Supercharger Gt Touring Busch Muller Iq X Headlight
Riese Muller Supercharger Gt Touring Selle Royal New Lookin Gel Saddle
Riese Muller Supercharger Gt Touring Shimano Deore Xt 11 42 Cassette
Riese Muller Supercharger Gt Touring Pletscher Kickstand Abus Bordo 6000 Lock

Summary

  • A rugged, powerful, and versatile electric bike platform with dual frame-integrated Bosch Powertube 500 batteries for excellent range and beautiful look, room for a bottle cage
  • The Touring model utilizes an 11-speed Shimano Deore XT drivetrain with Shadow+ and a one-way clutch, the hardware is lightweight (compared to Rohloff or a CVT) and benefits from Bosch shift detection
  • Upgraded Shimano Deore XT 180 mm hydraulic disc brakes with adjustable levers, robust air suspension fork with lockout and 15 mm thru-axle, included Thudbuster ST seat post suspension
  • Excellent Busch & Müller LED lights and reflective Schwalbe Super Moto-X tires, the headlight has side cutouts for increased visual footprint, comfortable saddle, premium rack with Bibia straps, Ergon grips

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Introduction

Make:

Riese & Müller

Model:

Supercharger GT Touring

Price:

$5,660 (£4,049.00)

Body Position:

Forward

Suggested Use:

Urban, Commuting, Touring

Electric Bike Class:

Pedal Assist (Class 1)
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Warranty:

2 Year Comprehensive, 5 Year Frame

Availability:

United States, Europe

Model Year:

2018

Bicycle Details

Total Weight:

68.5 lbs (31.07 kg) (With Both Batteries, Lock, and One Fabric Bottle)

Battery Weight:

12.6 lbs (5.71 kg) (Two 6.3 lb Batteries)

Motor Weight:

8.8 lbs (3.99 kg)

Frame Material:

Aluminum

Frame Sizes:

18.11 in (45.99 cm)19.29 in (48.99 cm)20.87 in (53 cm)

Geometry Measurements:

Large 53 cm: 21" Seat Tube, 23.5" Reach, 31.5" Stand Over Height, 75.5" Length

Frame Types:

High-Step

Frame Colors:

Electric Blue Metallic, Silver Metallic

Frame Fork Details:

SR Suntour Aion Air, 100 mm Travel, Compression Clicker with Lockout, Rebound Adjust, 100 Hub Spacing, 15 mm Thru-Axle with Quick Release

Frame Rear Details:

135 mm Hub Spacing, 12 mm Skewer with Quick Release

Attachment Points:

Rear Rack Bosses, Fender Bosses, Bottle Cage Bosses

Gearing Details:

11 Speed 1x11 Shimano Deore XT with Shadow+, Shimano SLX 11-42T Cassette

Shifter Details:

Shimano SLX Triggers on Right (Two Way High and Three-Step Multi-Shift Low)

Cranks:

Riese & Müller Branded FSA Alloy 170 mm Crank Arms, 19T Chainring with Miranda Alloy Guard

Pedals:

VP-538, Plastic Platform, Black

Headset:

Acros AZX-220 with BlockLock, Tapered 1-1/8" to 1-1/2"

Stem:

Humpert Ergec Charisma, Alloy, 90 mm Length, 20° Rise, 31.8 mm Clamp Diameter

Handlebar:

Humpert Ergotec ErgoXXL, Low-Rise, Alloy, 670 mm Length

Brake Details:

Shimano Deore XT Hydraulic Disc with 180 mm Rotors, Dual Piston Calipers, Shimano Deore XT Three-Finger Levers with Tool-Free Adjustable Reach

Grips:

Ergon GA30, Semi-Ergonomic, Locking

Saddle:

Selle Royal New Lookin Moderate Male, Gel

Seat Post:

Cane Creek Thudbuster ST (Short Travel), 31.6 mm with 34.9 mm Shim

Seat Post Length:

430 mm

Seat Post Diameter:

34.9 mm

Rims:

Alexrims MD40, Aluminum Alloy, Double Wall, 32 Hole Front, 36 Hole Rear, 40 mm Width

Spokes:

Stainless Steel, 14 Gauge, Black with Nipples

Tire Brand:

Schwalbe Supermoto-X, 27.5" x 2.4" (62-584)

Wheel Sizes:

28 in (71.12cm)

Tire Details:

30 to 55 PSI, Performance Line GreenGuard, Reflective Sidewall Stripes

Tube Details:

Presta Valve

Accessories:

Flick Bell on Right, ABUS Bordo 6000 Folding Lock Keyed to Match Battery (90 cm Length, 2.4 lbs), SKS B65 Plastic Fenders (65 mm Width), Riese & Müller Alloy Rear Rack with Racktime Compatibility with Bibia Adjustable Rubber Straps and Child Seat Approved (Racktime Compatible, 44 lb 20 kg Max Weight), Pletscher ESGE Adjustable Kickstand, Integrated Busch+Müller IQ-X Headlight (100 Lux), Integrated Busch & Müller Toplight Mini LED

Other:

Locking Removable Integrated Battery Packs with LED Indicators, 1.7 lb 4 Amp Charger

Electronic Details

Motor Brand:

Bosch Performance Line CX

Motor Type:

Mid-Mounted Geared Motor
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Motor Nominal Output:

250 watts

Motor Torque:

75 Newton meters

Battery Voltage:

36 volts (Two 36 Volt Packs)

Battery Amp Hours:

26.8 ah (Two 13.4 Amp Hour Packs)

Battery Watt Hours:

964.8 wh (Two 482.4 Watt Hour Packs)

Battery Chemistry:

Lithium-ion

Charge Time:

7 hours

Estimated Min Range:

55 miles (89 km)

Estimated Max Range:

200 miles (322 km)

Display Type:

Bosch Intuvia, Removable, Adjustable Angle, Grayscale, Backlit LCD, (Hold Reset and i for Settings Menu)

Readouts:

Speed, Assist Level (Eco, Tour, Sport, Turbo), Battery Level (1-5, Two Battery Icons), Odometer, Trip Distance, Estimated Range, Clock, Max Speed, Average Speed, Trip Time, Shift Assist Recommendation

Display Accessories:

Independent Button Pad with Tactile Feedback on Left, 5 Volt 500 mA Micro-USB Port on Display

Drive Mode:

Advanced Pedal Assist (Measures Rear Wheel Speed, Pedal Cadence and Pedal Torque, Power Output Relative to Pedal Input: Eco 50% 40 Nm, Tour 120% 50 Nm, eMTB 210% to 300% 60 Nm, Turbo 300% 75 Nm)

Top Speed:

20 mph (32 kph)

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Written Review

While visiting the UK for the London Bike Show in early 2018, I got to check out some of the new Riese & Müller ebike models at a shop called Fully Charged. The R&M Charger was one of my favorite platforms, because it’s so versatile! You can get a mixte mid-step frame or the classic diamond, and opt for urban tires or a trail-worthy cross country setup… however, the dual battery Supercharger only comes in high-step right now. It’s a hardtail platform that includes a solid bolt-on rear rack, but offers full-suspension feel with included Thudbuster Short Travel (ST) suspension seat post and gel saddle from Selle Royal. I have reviewed prior Charger models which utilize the plastic external Bosch Powerpacks, but the latest Powertube versions feature integrated alloy-encased batteries that are completely hidden from view. This design update adds at least 1 lb (0.45 kg) of combined battery weight between two packs, and probably adds frame tubing weight as well. Compared to the older Charger GX Rohloff model I weighed at ~65.3 lbs (with two batteries attached), the Supercharger GT Touring weighs ~68.5 lbs (with the dual Powertubes inserted). And, the older GX had a heavier Rohloff hub vs. cassette here. Anyway, you end up with similar weight distribution despite the different battery positioning because the lower pack inserts from the base of the downtube while the upper pack inserts from the top (the lower pack being lower, and the higher pack being higher, relatively speaking). Thankfully you now have room for a downtube mounted water bottle cage or second folding lock because there are two threaded eyelets on the downtube. Just like the Delite, this model also has water bottle mounting pins near the head tube, for keeping hydration close within reach (they interface with a proprietary Fabric water bottle that slides on). Overall, the Supercharger is a smart product, extremely well engineered, beautiful looking, and capable of long-range touring or commuting without sacrificing comfort or safety. Nothing was skipped over here from what I can tell. The rims and fenders are extra wide to suit the tires, both batteries can charge simultaneously when mounted to the frame, and the Intuvia control pad is easily removable, can be swiveled to reduce glare, and has a Mini USB charging port for maintaining a GPS or smartphone, you could also upgrade the Intuvia for a fancier Nyon in Europe (with color display and integrated GPS) or swap for the COBI system to utilize your smartphone as an all-in-one display. I also noticed that the rear rack and folding ABUS lock are positioned low to allow for maximum saddle clearance in the lowest position. Weight, cost, and sometimes-finicky battery covers seem to be the only trade-offs with this electric bicycle, that I discovered.

Driving the bike is one of my favorite ebike motor systems, the Performance Line mid-drive from Bosch. Whether you get the high torque CX or Speed model, the performance is great. It measures rear wheel speed, pedal cadence and pedal torque over 1,000 times per second, and rotates a smaller 19 tooth chainring 2.5 times per single crank revolution. This chainring has one fewer teeth than the US version, which supports riders up to 32 km/h based on different regulations, the UK version offers 15.5 mph 25 km/h top speeds (unless you get the speed motor) so the slightly smaller chainring makes perfect sense. All Bosch chainrings are smaller than average, offering a mechanical advantage to the motor and better chain retention, but this produces a bit more whirring noise at high RPM. Also, reduction gearing produces a bit of drag when pedaling unassisted or above the top assisted speed, and this configuration limits the number of chainrings to just one. So, thankfully, the rear cassette offers 11 sprockets to help you climb or hit and maintain the top assisted speed. The bike pedals comfortably at a range of speeds and the motor provides four levels of zippy assist, so you don’t notice the higher weight of the bike as much as you’d think. An alternative drivetrain on offer is the NuVinci continuously variable transmission hub which we saw on a standard Charger during the video above (only having one battery), and it allows for shifting at standstill. I have heard people complain about a bit of inefficiency with the NuVinci, power loss during pedaling through the drivetrain compared to other systems, but it’s extremely fluid shifting through gear rations and quiet. The dual battery configuration makes the NuVinci inefficiency less of an issue, but the rear wheel is still more difficult to service with this or an internally geared hub because they give up quick release. The third drivetrain option is a Rohloff geared hub, which would be the most robust and durable, but adds significant weight and cost. Even with the traditional 11-speed, shifting feels smooth enough, you can mash gears and prematurely wear the chain, sprockets and derailleur if you’re not thoughtful about shifting under load. However, Bosch has a software-driven shift sensing feature that works to reduce mashing by lowering motor power when it senses that you might be changing gears. You can imitate this yourself by simply pedaling gently while shifting. Shift detection is one of the features that really set Bosch apart in the space, and while not perfect, it’s a welcome feature in my book. Given that this model uses a chain, it would have been nice to get a short chain cover like I’ve seen on the Tern Vektron and Scott E-Sub Tour (both also powered by Bosch). Riese & Müller do include an alloy chainring guard, but it does not fully enclose the sprocket or protect pants from the chain, the NuVinci setup does have a little plastic cover though, to protect pants from the belt. To me, this isn’t as necessary on the NuVinci because belt drives tend to stay clean and do not require lubrication like a chain… I guess you could still have the fabric of your pant leg caught between the belt and beltring (this has happened to me before). Whatever, feel free to correct me or comment, I’d just like a chain cover for the chain versions of this drivetrain :) The motor itself is mounted to the bottom bracket area of the frame, keeping weight low and center, and protected by a black plastic casing. In the future, I’d love to see a tighter motor implementation on this and other R&M e-bikes if that’s compatible with the longer Powertube batteries. I feel that these angled designs could increase clearance and just make the bike look cooler. Here’s an example from Bulls which also uses the Powertube and looks stellar.

Powering the Supercharger GT Touring are two of the latest Bosch Powertube 500 battery packs, offering a total of nearly one kilowatt hour capacity. It’s enough juice to reach almost 200 miles (322 km) if you use the lowest Eco setting and aren’t climbing a lot, or something like 55+ miles (89 km) range in Turbo. With 25% more capacity than the older Powerpack 400’s, but the same as the most recent Powerpack 500’s, each one of these new Powertube packs weighs ~6.03 lbs. This is 0.5 lbs more than the plastic encased Powerpack, and there’s no integrated handle. You still get a 5-bar LED charge indicator built into the end, and you can still charge the packs independently when removed from the frame… even use the older chargers. Bosch has a two amp travel charger and the included faster four-amp charger. I like how even the nicer charger is compact and weighs under two pounds. I really like how Bosch and Riese & Müller have designed the battery insertion and removal sequence here. The packs don’t just flop out, there’s a two-step process whereby the pack is unlocked with a key and then sprung outward a little bit. The second step requires you to press a plastic button to unclip all the way, it ensures that the upside-down mounted pack won’t just fall out when unlocked.

Operating this bike is very intuitive. Once the battery is charged and connected to the frame, you simply press the power button on the Bosch Intuvia display and it quickly loads some menus. The main dashboard shows bike speed, battery level (a five bar indicator), chosen level of assist (four levels) and a power meter to the right. As you pedal the bike, if you’re in any of the assist levels, a set of arrows may appear just above the speed readout and those are designed to help you determine when to shift gears to maximize motor efficiency. Just below the speed readout are trip stats including max speed, average speed and trip distance along with a timer and range estimate. You can cycle through these menus using the i button on the display and also on the button pad mounted near the left grip. You really only need that i button and the up/down arrows on the control pad to use the bike once it’s switched on,, and they produce a satisfying tactile click that helps you understand what’s happening, even if you can’t look down while riding. The range menu mentioned earlier is cool because it calculates how far the bike can go based on remaining battery capacity, the last three miles of ride performance (based on terrain, speed and weight on the bike) then factors in the chosen level of assist… so it dynamically updates as you change from Eco to Tour, Sport and then Turbo. I usually ride in Tour mode to maximize efficiency but it’s fun to climb quickly or dash ahead of fellow cyclists in Turbo mode. I already mentioned the integrated Mini-USB port and want to call out the always-on white backlighting. It’s convenient in the dark, but can sometimes feel a bit bright and distracting. This is something that can be adjusted on the fancier Nyon, but the Intuvia has a set brightness. Both displays can also be swiveled to reduce glare, so that’s one way that you could also redirect the glow of backlighting.

R&M products offer the comfort, performance, and reliability of automobiles. This is the sort of e-bike that you can rely upon, and the puncture resistant tires only add to that. Both wheels offer quick release, so be sure to lock them, and it comes in handy when moving the bike or performing light service on the go. I feel that the Charger dual-battery setup would make for an excellent trekking or touring bike, because the integrated batteries free up the inner triangle for bags. The bike feels stiff and responsive, despite being heavier, and gives you a sense of strength and momentum that takes the edge off of little bumps and cracks. Keep in mind that the larger tubing might not work with all bags, you may have to modify them a bit, and that the longer Powertube batteries may not be as easy to fit into some bags (if you bought a third or fourth battery pack to bring along. The charger however, is very compact and easy to bring. If you buy this from your local dealer, it can take some time to be custom built by Riese & Müller (sometimes over eight weeks), and if you buy from out of country you may need a plug converter. I’d like to thank Fully Charged for partnering with me on this post and hosting me during a visit to London. We filmed a shop tour and some highlights at the London Bike Show that you can check out on the ElectricBikeReivew.com YouTube Channel. Chime in with questions and feedback below, I’ll do my best to answer quickly and thoughtfully. You may also connect with shops and riders directly in the Riese & Müller Forums.

Pros:

  • This is a hardtail model but the front suspension is air which reduces weight and offers sag adjustability as well as compression and rebound, you get a Thudbuster ST suspension seat post as well as fatter 2.4″ tires with increased air volume for stability and vibration dampening
  • The large tires are supported well by wide 40 mm rims from Alex, this way they don’t roll or pinch as easily if you decide to lower the PSI for comfort (the tires are rated from 30 to 55 PSI)
  • The dual integrated battery setup is only available in high-step diamond frames, but R&M still offer three sizes, and this type of frame tends to be stiffer and lighter than mid-step or step-thru designs
  • In addition to multiple frame sizes, you also get two color choices and a range of drivetrains including the 11-speed Shimano, internally geared Rohloff hub or continuously variable transmission from NuVinci
  • You can order this bike with the Class 1 Bosch CX high torque motor or a Bosch Performance Line Speed for Class 3 operation which is great for commuting, you still get solid range because of the dual Bosch Powertube 500 watt hour batteries (a total of ~1,000 watt hours)
  • Great utility and safety features included stock: wide plastic fenders from SKS, integrated LED lights from Busch & Müller, a flick-bell, sturdy rear rack with adjustable rubber bungee straps and a folding ABUS Bordo 6000 lock keyed-alike!
  • As a bicycle commuter myself, safety is a big issue in high-traffic areas and this bike does a good job keeping you visible with those lights, reflective tires and giving you the option of a silver frame color which will reflect more from the sides
  • Upgraded hydraulic disc brakes with large 180 mm rotors (front and rear) provide the stopping power you need for a heavier bike ~68.5 lbs that could be carrying extra cargo and going faster than normal, I like that the brake levers are adjustable (even without tools!) so you can bring them in close if you have smaller hands or are wearing gloves
  • Battery and motor weight are kept low and center which improves balance and handling, I like that the batteries are positioned inside the frame tubing for added protection and extra space for bottle cage mounts
  • The front end of the bike is stiff and sturdy feeling thanks to a tapered head tube, mountain bike suspension fork and 15 mm thru-axle, when you lock the front fork out it rides stiff and solid which is great for flat hard surfaces at speed
  • In many ways, this bike is setup like a trail or mountain bike (longer handlebars, longer travel 100 mm suspension, fatter tires) and it is off-road capable as long as you don’t require knobby tires for deep traction, you could always swap the tires depending on the season or type of riding
  • Great kickstand, it stows securely and doesn’t rattle but is also adjustable so you can extend or shorten it to suit the load on your rack when parking
  • The derailleur has a one way clutch (little grey lever on top) that tightens the chain and makes shifting snappier, this was designed for mountain biking and high-torque applications but also makes servicing the rear wheel easier
  • Bosch makes awesome motors and their Performance Line CX product offers some of the best power and response that I have experienced, it also detects shifting and tries to reduce power for less mashing and drivetrain wear
  • I love having a removable display panel and battery packs because it allows you to keep them away from extreme temperatures or harsh environments (like public bike racks), the display offers onboard charging with a 5 Volt Micro-USB port on the right side
  • The Block Lock headset keeps you from oversteering and bumping the headlight on the downtube (which would bend it and scratch the frame), the headlight is frame-mounted and won’t rattle or flicker the way that a suspension arch mounted light would
  • I like how the trigger shifters have two-way action and multi-shift, appreciate the range estimate menu on the display, the dual-battery infographic readout (that the batteries are drained together vs. one at a time), and that you can get eMTB mode with the CS drive unit which is sort of an all-in-one drive mode based more on torque
  • The Bosch Performance Line motors can support up to 120 pedal strokes per minute, this is faster (and feels stronger at high RPM) than most of the other motors I have tested, it means you can spin fast to gain speed vs. having to shift gears, it’s more satisfying and easier on my knees in this sense

Cons:

  • The plastic battery slot covers seem durable and look alright, but were tricky to seat at times, I had to align them just right and push pretty hard at times (perhaps it just takes practice?)
  • It’s very heavy for a hardtail, the reinforced frame and second battery pack add at least seven more pounds (3.2 kg)
  • The suspension seat post will will raise the minimum saddle height by a few inches which could make mounting difficult for riders with shorter legs, you could always swap it for a rigid post
  • Riese & Müller builds each bike to order so it takes around six weeks for processing and shipping (though Fully Charged in London says they keep ~20 in stock for faster orders), you might not get to experience the exact bike you want before purchase
  • This bike is on the expensive side but it does come with a two year drivetrain warranty, five years on the frame, and R&M have a great reputation
  • For as nice as the battery integration, the motor isn’t as hidden on this ebike, they’re using the stock oval cover design that isn’t tilted up and merged with the frame tubing like some Moustache, Haibike and Bulls models
  • I was a little surprised that the rear rack is rated at 44 lbs (20 kg) vs. 55 lbs (25 kg) on a lot of others that don’t look or feel as robust as this, perhaps R&M are just being conservative?

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Anonymous
4 months ago

Bike looks cool. Torque look good but 250 W isn’t powerful. Watts are a measure of power. This bike has 1/3 of the legal limit and there are many bikes out there with 750 w or even 2500 w tuned down to 750 w for street legal use. Some production bikes have nearly double the watt hours of capacity as well.

I love your site, and look forward to new reviews. I greatly appreciate the video footage and breadth of details reviewed. However the occasionally overly positive descriptions leaves me to ponder if there any conflict of advertising revenue or other payments from manufacturers you review? The bike shop adds seem innocuous but the perception of a 250 w being powerful leads me to question if the marketing muscle of this manufacturer is what is ‘powerful’

Anyhow, love your work, these reviews just pondering my next bike purchase and searching for critical reviews.

Cheers, Sheldon

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court
4 months ago

Hi Sheldon! I understand and acknowledge the question of influence. My experience with Bosch motors has been excellent, even on mountain bikes… I think the 250 is a nominal rating and it reaches upwards of 570 watts peak. The torque delivery is near instant, which makes them feel powerful. The CX provides up to 75 Nm of torque, which is great for me personally (I weigh ~135 lbs and am a more active rider). You’re correct that there are more powerful bikes out there, and I’ll be working to cover a broader range of products this year. I’d love to cover them all, if time would permit :) all manufacturers pay a set service fee now vs. placing ads. It helps the site run faster and allows me to focus on coverage. I think I’m just a generally enthusiastic guy, the comments and forum are open for discussion and I think it’s great that we have lots of choice in the space now. Thanks for sharing your feedback.

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Ravi Kempaiah
3 days ago

Range - weight - price are all interconnected.

For longer range (50 miles), ideally, you would want 750+Whr battery, but then it creases the weight substantially.
If you could get a ~40lbs E-bike, then with 500whr battery + fair bit if your own power, you could get 50 miles.

If you are 6ft+ in height, I would strongly recommend you to get this one. They will ship the bike to your nearest dealer and for the money, it's a absolutely great value. it has top of the line DT Swiss wheels, just a great bike overall.

https://www.haibikeusa.com/sale/2016-xudro-race-s-rx.html

Most importantly, it tips the scale at 42lbs and with the aero riding position, you should get 40+ miles using a 500Whr pack.

You could get a 2017 Giant Road E for $3500 at most dealers across the nation. Here is a fun video featuring that bike.
This is also a fairly light weight bike.

Now, if you get something with 750+Whr, then you're looking at 53+ lbs of weight.

Any Trek bike shop would be able to get you a police E-Bike. For the money, it's top class. Swap the fork for a lighter carbon one and you're again in the sub 44 lbs zone.

https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/mountain-bikes/cross-country-mountain-bikes/police/police-electric/p/22241/

There are other bikes with bigger batteries and weight, Stromer, Riese & Muller, but they are often poor value compared to some of the bikes mentioned above.

Alaskan
3 days ago

The TQ 120S looks sexy but puts the emphasis in the wrong places. They put the money into a cool looking carbon fiber frame that surely weighs a few pounds let than aluminum would be, but a few pounds matters little on an ebike. Then they saved money on the derailier and cassette with only a ten speed with an 11-36 cassette. Depending on the front sprocket, I would find a 36 tooth lowest gear to be too high a gear to comfortably negotiate the hills around Bellingham.

My Cube came with a Shimano xt shadow plus with an 11 speed cassette that went from 11 teeth to 42. The bike has the Bosch CX. I found that it lacked a high enough gear for downhill runs and spun out at about 24 mph. I changed the sprocket at the crank from a 15 tooth to a 17 tooth which gave me grip up to 30 mph. Then I swapped out the cassette for an 11 speed 11-46 tooth set up which gave me a real hill climbing, grunter of a low gear.

The best mirror for a bike is the 701 I have on my Riese & Muller Nevo Nuvinci GH it is made by Busch & Muller, folds in easily, stays in adjustment during the ride and is big. You can get it at Propel Bikes in Brooklyn https://propelbikes.com/product/busch-muller-701-mirror-e-bikes/

Alaskan
7 days ago

Go by G & O Family Cyclery up on Greenwood & 85th They are friendly, knowledgeable and have Riese & Muller Demo bikes there and other well chosen brands. Test ride a few of their bikes so you know what is possible at the high end of things with meticulously engineered and built, Bosch powered bikes using many top tier components. If they are beyond your budget, start figuring out which elements you really want and which ones you can do without and look at other brands and other configurations. Don't rush it, read lots, test ride a bunch, take your time. You will be riding this thing more often and further than you expect. Being careful and methodical in making your choice. The Seattle Folding and Electric Bike shop in Ballard on Leary way is another shop with a wide variety of bikes. Good guys over there too.

Alaskan
2 weeks ago

Mike, I went through this process back in January. I spent loads of time reading Court's reviews, watching his videos and then test riding bikes in four different bike shops in Seattle and one on Vashon Island.

I live in Bellingham, have been ebiking since February and just love it. I am 67 and peaked out at 238 lbs last year. I now ride my bike almost every day for at least averaging 17 miles. The only time I drive my car is if it is raining or I need to haul something too big for the bike. I am now down to 208 lbs. I wake up every day and look out the window to see if I can ride. The feeling of freedom, health and vitality is addicting.

Keep up the good work doing research. There are a wealth of shops to visit in Seattle. Resist the urge to buy until you do some more test riding. You will find one that feels right for you soon enough.

Make your next trip to Seattle Electric & Folding Bikes in Ballard http://electricvehiclesnw.com/ They have been around longer than anyone else in the area, are very helpful and friendly.

Next go up to G&O Cycles at 85th & Greenwood https://familycyclery.com/. They are the Riese & Muller dealer and have a good number of demo bikes to ride...nice people as well.

Seattle Electric Bike https://seattleelectricbike.net/ is nearby. They carry Cube, Bulls, Raleigh, Felt , Focus and others. My experience with the owner was quite offputting though. PM me if you want details.

After you have visited these three shops, the style of bike that will work best for you should begin to emerge.

Alaskan
2 weeks ago

Riese & Muller Nevo Nuvinci GH - Bosch CX, 500watt x2 batteries, fairly level (800 foot gain & loss), paved trail, mostly touring (2nd lowest level), some EMTB (auto assist mode) , bike weight 75, my weight 208, 43 miles.

Alaskan
2 weeks ago

The Orlieb panniers have inserts in the hangers that can be removed and do fit the robust square tubing racks on my Riese & Muller Nevo.

Orlieb bags fit up to a 16mm tube and comes with adapters for 8mm & 10mm tubing

Alaskan
2 weeks ago

I went for a ride yesterday on the Centennial Trail in Western Washington State. It is east of Interstate 5 on an old railroad bed that has been paved over about 18 feet wide. It runs from south Skagit County down through Arlington, Lake Stevens to Snohomish and covers about 35 miles and then ties into the Burke Gillman Trail which takes you by the University of Washington and through the Ballard neighborhood of Seattle and ending at Shilshole Bay on Puget Sound.

It is mostly flat with gentle grades running mostly through second growth forest and fields. Where it runs through towns, it is well marked and still quite wide. People consistently stopped to let me cross even when they had right of way.

I started at the north end of the trail and rode south for 22 miles and then headed back north to my car. I rode with an extra battery so I could ride till the battery quit. I almost made the 44.75 mile round trip on one battery with the battery running out at 43.4 miles.

Key stats:

Bike: Riese & Muller Nevo Nuvinci GH (with Bikespeed RS dongle)
Weight: Bike 77 lbs.
Rider: weight 208 lbs.
Drive System: Nuvinci 380 with Gates Belt Drive
Elevation Gain/Loss: 837/801
Average Cadence: 76
Average Speed: 16.8
Average Rider Power Output: 111 watts
Power Output Rider: 40% - Engine 60%
Assist Modes: Eco 10% - Tour 66% - EMTB 23% - Turbo 1%
Battery range: 43.4 miles
Watts per Mile: 11.52
Battery percentage per mile: 2.3%

Chris Davies
2 weeks ago

Hi, Just a three month update on the R&M Superchargers.
I have just posted a three month update on our R&M Superchargers on You Tube

vasubandu
2 weeks ago

Until I read this, I never even considered going that route. That is very intriguing.

vasubandu
2 weeks ago

Ann M, J.R., Ebikefevercure and Rich C, thanks and I get it. I should have been more clear. I just want a better idea of what the issues are before I do that so that I will be better able to evaluate things. In the end, it will be a bike to ride, not a bunch of specs on a spreadsheet. And I may think that I have found the perfect bike, but when I ride it, find that it does not work at all. For me, it is kind of learning enough so I can pay attention to what the issues are for each bike. Otherwise, I am liable to fall in love with the first thing I ride and ignore any issues it might have. I have made the mistake in the past of just trying things and ended up making bad decisions. Then again, I also have made bad decisions by reading a bunch of reviews online and then not putting things to the test. So I am trying to make sure I do both. And that will mean taking a hard look at bikes in all price ranges to get a feeling for what the brackets really are.

So far, the most helpful suggestions have been the minimums. Alaskan suggested tires at least 2 inches wide, but not too wide. That reminded me of my youth when I had a 10-speed with those ridiculously skinny wheels and the number of times they decided to move sideways. I had forgotten that and would not have paid attention. He suggested a minimum of 180 mm hydraulic disc brakes, and I see some bikes with less, and others with 180 in the back and less in the front. Again, that would not have occurred to me as a requirement. TML has me confused because he suggested a minimum of 540 wh battery. and I sort of thought that 500 was the very high end. I need to figure this out, but I had not been thinking about battery life.

These are the kinds of things that I have seen in comments here, and I suspect that many of you don't realize how helpful and valuable they are. You guys have learned these lessons the hard way, and people like me get to coast behind you. You obviously can't tell me what bike to buy, but you can help me avoid some awful mistakes. In the end, I suspect that there will be at least 5 bikes that would meet all my needs at a price that makes sense, and it will come down to personal preference. I am not trying to find the perfect bike, just a good one.

Out of curiosity, one of the bikes that really appeals to me visually is the Moustache Samedi. Or maybe the Friday. But I see very little discussion of them here or elsewhere. They a French and maybe have little market share. They are not cheap, but not crazy expensive either. Propel has the Samedi 27 XRoad 3 and the Friday 27.3, both with Bosch Performance Cruise, 20mph and 500 Wh Bosch battery POwerpack, and both $3,550. Beyond that, the price shoots up.

The Stromer bikes are all gorgeous to my eyes, but man are they spendy. And they seem proprietary, so it is hard for me to compare.

My sense for some reason is that companies like iZip are second tier, but their E3 Moda is attractive and seems well equipped for $3,000. And going cheap, the E2 Protour is on sale for $1600 with an E3 motor and a 417 Wh battery, but its range looks really limited, and who knows about that motor.

Alaskan rides a Riese & Muller Nevo Nuvinci GH and lives nearby. He says it is well adapted to the Pacific Northwest, but yikes, it is a $5,000 bile. Plus I really prefer the step over style. I have to say that the R&M Supercharger is to me the most attractive electric bike I have seen. And you can load it up with 2 500 Wh batteries, but when you do, you are getting close to $7,000.

I do not see any Moutache dealers close by. The nearest seems to be on Vancouver Island in Canada, which would be a trip, but doable. They have the Friday 27.5 for $4,250 US, the Samedi 27 Xroad 5 for $4,000 and the Samedi 7 28.3 400 for $3,500.

There are several Stromer dealers in Seattle, so that would be easy. I may run by tomorrow and see what this is all about.

Thanks to everyone for the help.

,

Gator
2 weeks ago

Well said and appreciated on my part. I do have a thing for reliability =D I looked at R and M and I love the dual battery models. They appear well designed and look super sharp. I would like to test ride one if I can find a dealer.

Nelson37
2 weeks ago

A mid-drive will involve a lot of shifting, for the hill and for any stops. It will not be like the electric motorcycle you really want. But, a mid-drive is the only type of turn-key ebike that is still a bicycle, will do 28 mph if you get the right model, and climb that hill with zero pedaling without melting the motor.

Take a 1500W DD hub, put it in a 20" wheel on a cargo bike frame, feed it 58 or more volts of high amp battery, and that will give you closer to the electric motorcycle, still look like a bicycle, climb the hill at decent speed with no pedaling and do 28 mph, with no moving parts in the motor. Easily in the price range you are looking at, you could get two, or have it professionally assembled, or a custom frame, for less than the Riese & Muller, which is an excellent quality company.

HyperVectra
4 days ago

Screw you Fully Charged! Bought a bike from you and wanted to charge me $500 pounds for shipping to Aus. Said don't worry let me cancel the order. They flat out refused. Had to challenge the purchase with the bank. Great customer service

Ivan John
2 weeks ago

It's not a review. It's an advertisement.

TuxKey
3 weeks ago

having just bought two Riese & Müller bikes.. i'm surprised no one mentions customer support and security of these bikes.. is everyone just looking and not buying ?? form my experience so far it's a big big disappointment they provide the Abus 6405 that's a lock you can open in 1min 30sec instead of going for the bordo 6405 that is hardened. And when you email Customer support and tell them about it.. and the fact that you bought not one but two of their bikes they just reply with the company line..I'm chocked that no one ever mentions this.. i'm from The Netherlands with Germany we happen to be the biggest buyers of RM bikes..and the locks they provide are not even ART approved that's a cert for lock. if it's art2 at a minim you can insure your bike. really really poor customer support from Riese & Müller..

TuxKey
3 weeks ago

Can someone tell me what the difference is between the New Charger Mixte and the new charger ?? it almost looks like the charger frame is longer compared to the mixte ?? i road the Mixte yesterday and it was a bit more upright position kind of relaxing.. but i did not ride the non mixte .. would love to hear what the differences are ..can't find them on the Riese & Muller pages..

john rivers
3 months ago

This is a trip watching someone try to explain all these technical stuff to try to make the bike sound like it is worth all this money.Buy a nice bike and get a kit and a battery and you will have a better bike than this bike for under a $1000.US EU AU No Tax Electric Bicycle 52V 20Ah Lithium ion Battery 1000W E BIKE Triangle Battery Pack 14S Bateria + 4A Fast Charger $385. Bike $150-200.Kit 1000w $325 on ebay.

nastythomashobbs
3 months ago

Sweet bike

trekkeruss
4 months ago

Unless one rides in cold weather all the time, the inflatable helmet would be terrible. Imagine wearing it when the sun is out and the temperature is 80+ and/or the humidity is high. Plus, if it is cold outside, you still need to cover your head. So nope, I would stick with a regular brain bucket.

Larry Conger
4 months ago

I still love the Intuvia, It's the best Court, great reviews, Bosch has to be one of the best all around systems, I agree, I was hoping you get another PW-X review, like the Giant Pro series eMTBs where they program the bike to give it even more power, I know the PW-X has more pedal assist modes but I like that concept, I'm going to get a Kenevo next, Love all these different eMTBs. keep up the great work

roadpanzir
4 months ago

If you imported the inflatable helmet to the US and made all the little snowflakes wear them you could be a bazillion aire in a month.

BashfulLion
4 months ago

Wow, this bike looks like a beast! :O

Adrian King
4 months ago

Reise and Muller are well made but expensive bikes. I have owned a Nuvinci belt drive Bosch 45km/h speed-pedelec of similar quality and I could not imagine wanting to own anything less capable in terms of motor assistance to have a reasonable rate of speed. Just to go with just the flow of traffic alone cutting off assistance at 15.5mph is a safety joke in my opinion. The UK law needs a revision in this respect or the mass adoption of Ebikes in this country will not happen. The Bosch motor is indeed noticeable too in terms of noise, but its reasonably strong however a little more strength would not go amiss. I found the weakest components on my Ebike to be the Nuvinci CVT which after a while would annoyingly ooze a lick of grease out of itself and I had to have the grip-shifter completely replaced, I've read that other owners have experienced a similar thing. The Gates belt drive was superb though and I never experienced any issue of any sort with this. Any would be owner of an Ebike should expect to replace the pads for the disc brakes far more frequently than on a conventional bike. I think its also amusing that manufacturers put name like GT or Speed on these far from pacey bikes!

M B
4 months ago

A great review as ever BUT you omitted to mention that the price you quoted did NOT include the second battery which is about £700 (US$900).

Stayshtum68
4 months ago

I actually think the UK needs to rethink the Ebike laws on the top end speed of the motors. As a cyclist of many years in the UK myself,I think the 15.5 mph speed limit is ridiculous. At the moment if you wanted one more powerful,you would have to register the bike,and have to have insurance. And by law I believe you would have to wear a motorbike helmet,and possibly even have to take some sort of test,and have an annual MOT certificate. I average anything between 20 and 25 mph on my daily 34 mile commute to work on my standard non powered bicycle,and on some sections I actually exceed 40 mph,and the law says that I can do this without any registration,insurance or test.,and I don't even have to wear a helmet. I regularly over take people riding on electric bicycles,so where is the incentive for me to spend thousands of my hard earned pounds on one. If we want people to get out of their cars,and on to a more green and efficient mode of transport,I think the 28 mph speed limit would encourage a hell of a lot more people to buy an Ebike.

Jusb1066
3 months ago

uk back in the 1950s ruined its own cyclemotor laws in favour of european mopeds, cycle motor was a replacement back wheel with a petrol engine and everything inside the wheel. that fitted to a regular bicycle, top speed 18 mph, very low cc 2 stroke motors. , then they outlawed them! well made their top speed limited to 14mph and they had to be plated to state that, which none were, and outlawed the existing ones. UK is never forward looking, in france they let a moped with 20mph top speed to be used 'as a bicycle' no insurance or plates or any tests needed.

Leo Savantt
4 months ago

Until they do this works a treat: http://www.bikespeed.de/RS_en.html
With the CX motor you still get 70 plus nm of torque, a nominal 250W (really it peaks at nearly double that) and depending on gear ratios about double the top speed. Which makes it overall cheaper than the Speed motor with more torque and you can switch on the 25 km limit when you are not on "private property" :-)

Stayshtum68
4 months ago

Leo Savantt That is the first positive thing I have heard about brexit. Fingers crossed the uk may change the top speeds on electric bikes.

Leo Savantt
4 months ago

The legislation is an EU directive, the limit being 25 Km/h. The UK nor indeed any member state has discretion or choice in this matter. Of course after Brexit the government could change the rules, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Stayshtum68
4 months ago

benzoesan sodu I meant in a legal sense. Of course you can get faster E bikes,but if you want to stay on the right side of the law, you are stuck with a pathetic top speed,and a 250 watt motor. It makes me really pissed off,that you can drive a car that is capable of 200mph,quite legally on a normal driving licence,even though our top speed limits are 70 mph. Yet they won't allow an electric bicycle exceed 15.5 mph.
I genuinely believe that our government is so corrupted with the revenue they get in taxes from cars,that they are deliberately holding back the desirability of alternative transportation,such as E bikes,for fear that they will get less revenue.

low key
4 months ago

Riese & Muller website pls.

DiGiTaLGrAvEDiGGA
4 months ago

dam!!!! ultimate daily commuter bike and it's somewhat stealthy.

Juan Alfonso Noval
4 months ago

Lol, that last bit with the helmet and the accident was funny. Anyway, the review was great. Love all the R&M bikes. Very cool products. Sadly, for me, the price is way above my budget. But, just because I can't afford them does not mean that I don't like them or wouldn't love to test them. Keep up the great reviews. Liking this international reporting. Maybe Germany next?

ArthurDentZaphodBeeb
4 months ago

Juan Alfonso Noval I'm the opposite - can easily afford such a bike, but find value-for-money horribly lacking. Cut $1K off and add bigger motor w/higher speed and would be a slam dunk. Industry really needs a top 3 name to offer top-notch bike at budget price. Would crush the competition - sadly, it seems a good-old-boy network where maintaining high margins is the prime consideration. Until that happens, ebikes will remain a niche product.

BCRBCRBCRBCRBCRBCR
4 months ago

Review site claims 72V. If in series, the capacity would not double (would still be 13.4Ah). I suspect really meant 36V with total 26.8Ah.

ElectricBikeReview.com
4 months ago

Right you are, will fix that ASAP

Chris at Propel
4 months ago

Great that you got to check out these bikes! We're excited to get them stateside. Now that Bosch has the UL approval in the US we should be seeing the bikes this spring. I think their going to be some of the most popular bikes this year.

Larry Conger
4 months ago

Chris at Propel I was hoping you can get one of those push button pedal assist button pad for my 2017 Specialized Turbo Levo, do u know if they are going to sell those? I know the 2018s will have them, maybe you got some information on that Chris

David Keenan
4 months ago

Top notch e bike for sure . That surprise ending was terrific. Hair Bag Head.Why is the US so far behind in the e bike industry?

Chris at Propel
4 months ago

I agree the US has some catching up to do, but fortunately, we have some great bikes on their way to the US. We should see these here stateside very soon.

Mark van den Braak
4 months ago

I own a R&M charger with the New Vinci. I love it. Before I owned a Bosch powerd Scott with a casette. The NewVinci works so great because it is maintenance free. For my opinion a belt works much more better for a ebike. It is surely worth the extra costs and overall it is a cheaper solution as you don't have go change the chain and cassette every 3000km.