Tern GSD Review

Tern Gsd Electric Bike Review
Tern Gsd
Tern Gsd Bosch Performance Line Electric Bike Motor
Tern Gsd Double Battery Option Bosch Powerpacks Stock 400
Tern Gsd Andros Adjustable Stem Bosch Purion Display Ergon Grips
Tern Gsd Small Bosch Purion Lcd Ebike Display Panel
Tern Gsd 15 Mm Thru Axle Rigid Alloy Fork 80 Mm Plastic Fenders
Tern Gsd Magura Mt5 Four Piston Brakes With 180 Mm Rotors
Tern Gsd 10 Speed Shimano Deore Derailleur With Shadow Plus Clutch
Tern Gsd Back Light Standing Points Reflectors
Tern Gsd Tern Branded Saddle With Integrated Handle
Tern Gsd Hebie Heavy Duty Double Leg Kickstand
Tern Gsd Bosch 4 Amp Fast E Bike Charger
Tern Gsd Electric Bike Review
Tern Gsd
Tern Gsd Bosch Performance Line Electric Bike Motor
Tern Gsd Double Battery Option Bosch Powerpacks Stock 400
Tern Gsd Andros Adjustable Stem Bosch Purion Display Ergon Grips
Tern Gsd Small Bosch Purion Lcd Ebike Display Panel
Tern Gsd 15 Mm Thru Axle Rigid Alloy Fork 80 Mm Plastic Fenders
Tern Gsd Magura Mt5 Four Piston Brakes With 180 Mm Rotors
Tern Gsd 10 Speed Shimano Deore Derailleur With Shadow Plus Clutch
Tern Gsd Back Light Standing Points Reflectors
Tern Gsd Tern Branded Saddle With Integrated Handle
Tern Gsd Hebie Heavy Duty Double Leg Kickstand
Tern Gsd Bosch 4 Amp Fast E Bike Charger

Summary

  • A sturdy, reliable, non-flexy, compact electric cargo bike with plenty of accessories to transport kids or even other adults, rated to haul up to 400 lbs
  • Available in three fun colors, highly visible with reflective tires, frame and bag decals, and integrated LED lights, great fenders and chain protector
  • Can be stored vertically on the back rack in an upright position to fit into elevators, closets, and other tight spaces, optional second battery and efficient mid-drive offer up to 150 miles per charge
  • Only available in one frame size but the Andros stem and telescoping seat post fit a full range of body types, despite having fatter tires the smaller diameter and lack of suspension can be jarring, the bike can be a bit tippy side-to-side and it's heavy at 67.7 lbs

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Introduction

Make:

Tern

Model:

GSD

Price:

$3,999 ($4,799 with Second Battery Pack)

Body Position:

Upright

Suggested Use:

Neighborhood, Urban, Commuting, Cargo

Electric Bike Class:

Pedal Assist (Class 1)
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Warranty:

2 Year Electronics and Battery, 5 Year Frame

Availability:

United States, Europe, Worldwide

Model Year:

2018

Bicycle Details

Total Weight:

67.7 lbs (30.7 kg)

Battery Weight:

5.5 lbs (2.49 kg)

Motor Weight:

8.8 lbs (3.99 kg)

Frame Material:

Aluminum Alloy

Frame Sizes:

16 in (40.64 cm)(Folded Size 39 cm x 86 cm x 84 cm)

Geometry Measurements:

16" Seat Tube, 19.5" Reach, 20" Stand Over Height, 50.5" Wheel Base, 26.75" Unfolded Width, 16" Folded Width, 72.5" Length, 42" Unfolded Height, 32" Folded Height

Frame Types:

Compact, Mid-Step, Folding (Patented OCL Joint, DoubleTruss Technology)

Frame Colors:

Gloss Beetle Blue, Gloss Orange, Metallic Silver Blue

Frame Fork Details:

Rigid Aluminum Alloy, Boost 110 mm Hub Spacing, 15 mm Thru-Axle with Quick Release

Frame Rear Details:

Boost 148 mm Hub Spacing, 12 mm Thru-Axle with Quick Release

Attachment Points:

Fender Bosses, Rear Rack Bosses, Luggage Socket™ Head Tube Bosses, Bottle Cage Bosses, Other Rack Bosses

Gearing Details:

10 Speed 1x10 Shimano Deore Derailleur with Shadow Plus One-Way Clutch, 11-36T Cassette

Shifter Details:

Shimano Two-Way, DYNA-SYS Triggers on Right

Cranks:

GSD Branded, Aluminum Alloy, 170 mm Crank Arms, 20T Chainring

Pedals:

VP Composite Plastic Platform with Sandpaper Grip Tread

Headset:

Sealed Cartridge Bearings, Threadless Internal Cups, Tapered 1-1/8" to 1-1/2"

Stem:

Andros™ Tool-Free Adjustable Angle

Handlebar:

Aluminum Alloy, Swept Back, 670 mm Length (Aluminum)

Brake Details:

Magura MT5 Hydraulic Disc with 180 mm Rotors, Quad-Piston Calipers, Two-Finger Magura MT5 Levers with Adjustable Reach

Grips:

Ergon GC1 Ergonomic, Locking

Saddle:

GSD Branded Comfort, Integrated Handle

Seat Post:

Telescopic Seatpost™, Aluminum Alloy

Seat Post Length:

300 mm

Seat Post Diameter:

34.9mm, 30.9 mm

Rims:

Atlas, Double Wall, 6061 Aluminum Alloy, 406x36, 32 Hole (With Brass Spoke Nipples)

Spokes:

Stainless Steel, Straight Gauge, 13 Gauge, Black with Black Nipples

Tire Brand:

Schwalbe Super Moto-X, 20" x 2.4" (62x406)

Wheel Sizes:

20 in (50.8cm)

Tire Details:

Performance GreenGuard, 30 to 65 PSI, 2.0 to 4.5 BAR, Reflective Sidewall Stripe, 62/110-16 M/C

Tube Details:

Schrader Valve

Accessories:

Front and Rear Fenders with Rubber Mud Flaps (80 mm Width), Rear Cargo Rack (Compatible with Yepp Child Seats Maxi Easyfit and Maxi Junior Easyfit and Other Tern Accessories), Integrated Valo™ Direct Lighting System Headlight (41 Lux, 150 Lumen), Herrmans e-Bike LED Light Back, Hebie Double-Leg Heavy Duty Kickstand, Proprietary Retractable Pegs for Rear Rider, Deflopilator Handlebar Stabilizer Spring, Tern Branded Proprietary Fabric Rear Bags (24" Length x 8" Width x 14" Height, Adjustable, Reflective, Four Inner Pockets), SKS CHAINBLADE-E Plastic Chain Cover, Clear Frame Protection Stickers on Top Tube and Seat Stays, Optional Upgrade to Bosch Powerpack 500, Optional Second Bosch Powerpack 500 ($800), Optional Transporteur Rack, Optional Sidekick Lower Deck, Optional Shortbed Tray, Optional Sidekick Seat Pad

Other:

Locking Mid-Frame Mounted Removable Battery Pack, Stainless Steel Hardware, 1.7 lb 4 Amp Charger, Max Weight ~396 lbs, Rubber Band Clasp for Folding Handlebar, Rear Feet for Vertical Storage, Reflective Tern Decals on Frame, Fits Riders From 4'10" to 6'5"

Electronic Details

Motor Brand:

Bosch Performance Line Cruise

Motor Type:

Mid-Mounted Geared Motor
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Motor Nominal Output:

250 watts

Motor Peak Output:

500 watts

Motor Torque:

63 Newton meters

Battery Voltage:

36 volts

Battery Amp Hours:

11 ah

Battery Watt Hours:

396 wh

Battery Chemistry:

Lithium-ion

Charge Time:

3.5 hours

Estimated Min Range:

30 miles (48 km)

Estimated Max Range:

75 miles (121 km)

Display Type:

Bosch Purion, Fixed, Backlit LCD Control Panel with Integrated Button Pad, (Hold - to Cycle Through Readouts, Hold - and Press Power to Change Units) (Removable, Symmetrical Integrated Buttons for Right or Left Handed Users)

Readouts:

Speed, Assist Level (Eco, Tour, Sport, Turbo), Battery Level (1-5), Trip Distance, Total Distance, Estimated Range, Lights

Display Accessories:

Micro-USB Port for Diagnostics and Software Updates Only

Drive Mode:

Advanced Pedal Assist (Measures Wheel Speed, Pedal Cadence and Pedal Torque, Power Output Relative to Pedal Input: Eco 50% 40 Nm, Tour 120% 50 Nm, Sport 190% 55 Nm, Turbo 275% 63 Nm)

Top Speed:

20 mph (32 kph) (25 km/h in Europe)

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Written Review

Tern is internationally recognized and renowned for their high-quality folding bicycles, and electric folding bikes! The Vektron was their first major entry into this category in 2017, using the Bosch Active line system, but they did have a couple of conversion models dating back to 2014 that used the hub motor BionX system. With the GSD, you get a more powerful Bosch Performance Line mid-drive that keeps weight low and center on the frame, an option for two battery packs that can deliver 150 miles of range per charge, and a frame that is stiff, sturdy, and capable of hauling up to 400 pounds of people or goods. Even though this is technically not a folding electric bike… it does fold a bit. The handlebar post swivels, the stem can be angled completely up or down, and the telescoping seat post uses quick release levers to drop easily. Perhaps the most innovative feature isn’t the folding parts, but the four pegs built into the rear section of the bike and rack that allow it to tip back into a vertical position. And, to be pretty stable in that upright position! This allows the bike to easily fit into elevators, closets, and other tight spaces that can fit an average sized person (the bike takes up similar dimensions). Even though the bike weighs a bit more than an average electric bike at 67.7 lbs, tipping it up isn’t too difficult thanks to premium hydraulic disc brakes. These brakes, along with the tapered head tube, wider Boost hub spacing, and sturdy thru-axles are all reminiscent of a nice mountain bike. The 180 mm brake rotors are very large for such small wheels, and that provides a huge mechanical advantage when stopping. The brake levers are adjustable so they can fit smaller hands and even with one hand filming and the other using the brake I was able to stop with no issues. Yes, with a top assisted speed of 20 mph, fantastic range potential, and plenty of stopping power, my biggest focus when testing the bike was on stability and comfort. And frankly, it’s a bit of a compromise on these fronts.

The motor driving this bike is a Bosch Performance Line Cruise. It fits near the middle of the Bosch line in terms of power, and is a step up from the Active Line used on the Vektron folding model mentioned earlier. This motor offers up to 63 Newton meters of torque and listens for rear wheel speed, pedal cadence, and pedal torque signals over 1,000 times per second! That translates to excellent climbing ability, as long as you switch gears appropriately, and start/stop power delivery that is near instantaneous. When you’re pedaling through a city environment, with a heavier load, that kind of quick response is critical and it pairs nicely with the strong braking configuration touched on before. The motor is a geared design, and it produces some high pitched whirring noises when operated at full power and pedaling at high RPM… but I love that the motor actually supports faster spinning, up to 120 RPM, while some competing models, and even the Bosch Active Line, only go to 100 RPM. As someone with a sensitive knee, I prefer to spin faster with less force and this higher RPM support also means I don’t have to switch gears as frequently to go faster. When you’ve got a 10-speed cassette to explore as you do with the GSD, it’s nice to be able to achieve a range of speeds with each gear vs. having to use the triggers so frequently. The trigger shifters work well, and are only mounted on the right portion of the handle bar because this ebike uses a one-by drivetrain (only one chainring). The chain is completely covered at the bottom bracket area to keep your pants or dress grease free, and even though there was some bouncing of the chain, I imagine that it would not drop off easily. One unique hardware feature of the Shimano Deore derailleur that Tern specced here is a one-way clutch lever that tightens the chain when pushed to the up position. It’s a feature I most frequently see on mountain bikes that encounter a lot of rough terrain, but it’s helpful here because the chain is so long. Overall, this is one of my favorite motors and I feel that the drivetrain is great. Shops and end-users tell me that Bosch is reliable and I know that they have been producing and selling variations of this motor globally since 2013.

Powering this electric bicycle is the proven Bosch Powerpack 400… which is not quite as exciting as the newer Powerpack 500 (which offers ~25% more capacity and looks the same). The good news is, the mounting interface on the bike allows for backwards compatibility and can work with the 500 watt hour pack if you want it. Actually, there are two of these mounting interfaces because the Tern GSD is one of the new double-battery ready e-bikes. You can get an additional Powerpack 400 right out of the gate for ~$800 and effectively double your range. I love that both packs are positioned low and center on the frame while staying out of the way of passengers and cargo and being protected by the metal frame tubing. Unlocking and pulling them off can be a little bit trickier than single-battery bikes I have tested, but it wasn’t too bad. And, one of the coolest design features is that both packs can be charged simultaneously on the frame by plugging the charger into the single accessible slot (for the pack nearest the seat tube). It’s convenient and satisfying to fill this bike up, and it happens faster than many other e-bikes thanks to the Bosch 4 Amp charger. This charger only weighs 1.7 lbs and is compact enough to fit into the bottle pouch at the end of either side-bag that come with the bike. Other things I appreciate about these batteries is that they have a molded loop-handle built into the top for safer transport, an LED power level chart built into the side, and can be charged off of the bike with the same interface (no dongles or adapters required). Weighing in at ~5.4 lbs, I usually take batteries off before transporting my electric bikes by car rack or if I have to lift them, and the front wheel might also reduce weight, and is easy to remove with the quick release system along with the seat post and saddle.

Operating the Tern GSD is a snap. Once the battery (or batteries) are mounted and charged up, just press the power button on the top edge of the little Purion display panel near the left grip. The thing turns on quickly and is clear and easy to read. It’s smaller than the popular Bosch Intuvia, doesn’t have a functional Micro-USB port, isn’t removable, won’t swivel to reduce glare, and doesn’t offer readouts like average speed, max speed, clock, or shift recommendation… but it’s less prone to damage and super simple to use. There’s a + and – key built into the left side of the casing and their primary function is to increase or decrease assist power. You can go from Off to Eco, Tour, Sport, or Turbo. The higher you go, the more power is delivered and the faster you may go. The secondary function of these buttons is to activate the lights (by holding plus), or cycle through trip stats (by holding minus). Those trip stats include trip distance, total distance, and range. Range is my favorite because it offers more precision than the 5-bar battery infographic at the top of the LCD screen. It is calculated based on your remaining battery charge level, chosen level of assist, and the last mile of riding efficiency. The final button on the display is walk mode, which is positioned at the lower edge and requires a push, and then hold of the plus button to use. I was able to enjoy this feature while exploring a crowded park in Brooklyn, New York, and it really made our little adventure fun and relaxing vs. uncomfortable and strenuous. I can only imagine pushing a fully loaded cargo bike vs. the still-heavy unloaded demo model we used for this review. I love walk mode but not every company offers it or even enables it when they do have the same drive system as Tern has used here. It’s a feature that Bosch allows their partners to have some choice on… so thank you Tern!

I’d like to finish out this review by apologizing for the extra-close camera work in the video review above. My camera got a bit messed up and recorded on narrow setting vs. medium and that might have been uncomfortable for some viewers. I was so excited to cover this product because it offers something unique and useful in the space. So many companies have different sized frames, different colors, slightly different components etc. but Tern invented the GSD from the ground up. It really can help you “Get Stuff Done” and empower a family to live healthier and have more fun. For me, it was a little bit jarring, but the larger tires did make a difference for stability and comfort and the saddle felt nice. I was amazed how stiff it felt to ride with a heavy load on the back and inspired again and again by all of the attention to detail. From the vertical stand design to the folding stem and rubber strap secure feature, the fork spring with quick-release, to flip-out pegs. It’s quite capable, even though it’s compact and the value of the components they used matches or even exceeds the price being charged. I suppose they saved money by only having one frame size but the multiple color choices are great. Big thanks to Tern for partnering with me on this review and sending a demo unit out to Propel bikes in Brooklyn for me to film in a city environment. It was neat to see this new model back to back with the Tern Vektron and compare the price and weight. They each have their niche but I enjoy both and am excited to see how Tern refines them over the coming years or expands their offering with even more custom built electric bikes.

Pros:

  • Tern is a well-recongized and trusted company with years of folding bicycle and now folding electric bicycle expertise and leadership, their folding handlebar post with rubber clasp, Andros adjustable stem, and telescoping seat post feel solid and can accommodate riders from 4’8″ to 6’4″ according to their website
  • Most electric bikes are rated to carry 250 lbs or maybe 300 lbs but the GSD can handle up to 400 lbs! That’s two adults and a child, lots of groceries, lumber for a project etc. and the thick thru-axles and premium tires (with puncture protection) earned my trust
  • Safety is a hug deal to me because I sometimes ride in the early morning or evening surrounded by traffic, so I love the bright color options, reflective tires, reflective stickers on the frame and pannier bags, and the integrated lights that run off of the main battery
  • Some electric cargo bikes feel flexy because they are so long and lack the proper reinforcement, some position the battery or motor at the end vs. the center but the Tern GSD felt very solid and stiff, even with an adult riding on the back
  • The motor used here is one that I have reviewed hundreds of times before on other electric bikes and it has earned my trust as being reliable, it’s also very responsive and powerful, I have never felt out of control with it or like it wasn’t helping me enough on a hill (as long as I had shifted gears properly to climb)
  • The motor, battery, and nicer Shimano Deore 10-speed drivetrain allow you to get excellent range by shifting gears to climb or hit and maintain the 20 mph top speed, it’s a lot more efficient than a hub motor system because it’s empowered by your shifting vs. only having one gear ratio to work with
  • I love how the battery pack or packs can be charged on and off the bike, this is convenient for those who commute to work and need to fill-up for a long ride home or errands and then home, the Bosch charger offers 4 Amps vs. the standard 2 Amp which is slower, Bosch also offers a compact 2 Amp charger for people who want an extra but need to reduce weight and size
  • Power and range are important but so is stopping, especially with a heavier bike and potentially more gear or multiple passengers, the Magura MT5 brakes are fantastic! You get adjustable-reach levers and quad-piston calipers vs. the standard dual-piston design which spreads out force and improves cooling, the 180 mm rotors are almost overkill for the 20″ diameter wheelset, these are basically mountain bike brakes meant for full sized wheels
  • For such a custom ebike with premium drive system, drivetrain, brakes, fenders, lights, and bags… I feel like the ~$4k price point is pretty good! Yes, it’s still a lot of money, but this thing is like a truck and could really change how you interact with your community, it can also be shared between multiple riders
  • Tern chose the kickstand well, it deploys and stows easily while offering much more stability than a single-side stand that you’d find on most traditional bicycles, I also like the spring that keeps the front wheel relatively straight for loading and steering with heavy loads
  • So many awesome accessories! Whether you’re taking people or cargo, there are plenty of ways to stow gear, I especially like that there are pannier supports so you could use this for long distance touring, the front rack mounts to the head tube and stays straight as you turn (so it doesn’t impact steering) and the included pegs make it easy to bring a friend somewhere without having to spend extra money
  • The swept-back handlebar, ergonomic grips, and plush saddle made the bike a lot more comfortable than it could have been, they pair nicely with the fat tires if you lower the PSI a bit (just don’t go too low or it could cause a pinch flat, they recommend 30 to 65 PSI and I was riding at 30 PSI as a 135 lb rider)
  • Wider tires increase the size of your contact patch for grip, provide stability, and offer float on soft terrain like grass, they might not roll quite as efficiently as a more traditional 2.15″ diameter but they are perfect for dealing with heavier loads
  • With a lower 20″ stand over height, you can easily step-thru the frame vs. having to swing your leg up and over the saddle or over the rear rack (which might be loaded with cargo), I like that the top tube and portions of the side stays have clear plastic stickers to keep the paint looking nice
  • The fenders are extra wide, sturdy, and have flexible mud flaps and the chain guard offers full-coverage of the front sprocket and chain going back pretty far… so your pants or dress should stay clean
  • My understanding is that you can charge both batteries from the single charging port on the bike, this is convenient because you don’t have to remember to unplug one battery and plug the second in (this is only relevant if you buy a second battery and leave both packs connected to the frame)

Cons:

  • I was a little bit surprised that the Tern GSD doesn’t come stock with a Powerpack 500, you get the older slightly-lower capacity Powerpack 400 by default and can upgrade or get a second 400 for ~$800
  • Even with the fat 2.4″ tires (vs. the Tern Vektron’s 2.15″ tires) the GSD can still feel jarring and unstable compared to a full sized bike, I lowered the PSI to 30 (the lowest on the 30 to 65 pressure range stamped on the tire) and that helped a bit but I still might get a seat post suspension for the upper 30.9 mm portion and use a shim like this
  • The smaller diameter wheelset makes the bike easier to mount, load, and stabilize when starting or stopping but it also brings the derailleur and kickstand lower, the clearance on this bike is less than many other cargo models so be careful when parking near a curb or other low obstacles
  • Very minor complaint here, but the Bosch Performance Line motors have a reduction gear that creates some friction when pedaling vs. a 1 to 1 pedal ratio, the smaller sprocket also brings the chain very close to the frame tubing which could create some noise or nicks on bumpy terrain
  • For how compact and little this e-bike looks, it’s actually pretty heavy at ~67.7 lbs because of the additional reinforcement tubing, long rear rack, thicker rims, and fatter tires
  • The compact Bosch Purion display panel is not my favorite because you cannot remove it and the integrated Micro-USB port is not active for charging accessories (just performing software upgrades and diagnostics), seems like a missed opportunity when you potentially have two battery packs to draw from and are using your phone for GPS or music etc. but I do see how the larger Bosch Intuvia might not have fit with the adjustable Andros stem setup

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Joe Green
3 weeks ago

Thanks for another great review. I’d love to try this bike at the Electric Bike Expo in Philly this weekend – Tern, will you have a GSD there for demoing?

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Court Rye
3 weeks ago

Hi Joe, I cannot speak for Tern but I do plan on attending with Chris Nolte and some others. Should be a good time!

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Guy
3 weeks ago

Thanks Court, awesome review as always! I am on the wait list for a test ride on this :).

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Court Rye
3 weeks ago

Sweet! Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for the positive words. Would love to hear your thoughts when it finally arrives and you get some saddle time :D

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Jon Oates
3 weeks ago

Thanks, Court, for a thorough review. Are the passenger seat pad and cargorack clip, Vecro or bolt-on?

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Court Rye
3 weeks ago

Hi Jon, I only saw the big pannier bags and they used Velcro. I will ask Chris to read and reply to your question, perhaps he or someone else knows?

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Jon Oates
3 weeks ago

Great. Sorry about the weird spelling – my phone was doing strange things and rewriting some of the words (including Velcro, for some reason).

Chris @ Propel
2 weeks ago

The seat pads clip on and off with a proprietary system.

josh
2 weeks ago

Hey Jon,

The panniers use velcro and can be put on or taken off in a minute or two. They are designed to be left on permanently. They fold flat when not in use and act as a wheel guard for rear passengers. I keep my lock and bike cover in the panniers so they’re always at hand when I need them.

The seat pad uses a KlickFix quick release mount and it takes a second to put it on or take it off.

Joe Green
2 weeks ago

Is the total weight you listed in the specs with 0, 1, or 2 batteries? Just curious since the weight difference would be especially big for this bike since it can have up to 2 batteries.

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Court Rye
2 weeks ago

Hi Joe! I weighed it with just one battery and no accessories :)

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Voodoo Six
5 days ago

Wow. 2 400wh 36v batteries for $5000? That’s a real world range of about 40-50 miles if you do any speed at all. Cool bike, lame drivetrain.

Ronnie Dylan
2 weeks ago

Does the Yamaha motor NOT have "shift-detection"?

Chris at Propel
2 weeks ago

Ronnie Dylan no it doesn’t. Bosch is the only motor with this built in, but some companies have added external shift sensors on other motor systems.

qqq uiop
2 weeks ago

Close, but no cigar. I won't buy and ebike that has pedal assist limited to 20 mph- period. I ride faster than 20 mph regularly in critical situations, like through busy intersections. This bike is what I want in many ways, but that one limitation is one I won't accept. Too bad that they didn't use the new Bafang Ultra motor- it may not be as good a motor as the Bocsh, but I could learn to fix the Bafang- I'm tired of proprietary over-priced junk like the Bionx I currently have. I refuse to buy anything that I must send back to awful manufacturers who won't honor the warranty.

Dmitri Nesteruk
2 weeks ago

Tern make good bikes and good accessories. This looks like a really cool bike.

Joe Green
3 weeks ago

Tern, can you (or Chris from Propel) bring this bike to the Electric Bike Expo in Philly this weekend for demoing? It's hard to get a sense of the GSD's geometry and feel since it's so unique, and not available for demoing yet. Thanks for the great reviews, Court.

Patrik Edelberg
3 weeks ago

When will be the new Vektron be avaible?

Joshua Hon
2 weeks ago

Ah yes - the new P9 and D7i models should be in stores by the Spring.

Patrik Edelberg
3 weeks ago

Joshua Hon yes but for 2017-2018 there were some more models released

Joshua Hon
3 weeks ago

Hi Patrik - the Vektron is in stock now.

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 weeks ago

It sounds like Q1 2018 but I cannot say for sure, they sent the unit you see in this review out to Chris's shop just for the review and they have had other demo bikes at Interbike etc.

BashfulLion
3 weeks ago

This is awesome, definitely something my girlfriend and I have been looking for in the ebike realm.

Nuncle Cleent
3 weeks ago

New ebike rider. Had my Radwagon for 3 weeks and 150 miles. Love. It. With the caboose/added accessory rack/2 pads for my 2 toddler nieces to sit on it was $1950 shipped. They love to go on rides with me. For the same set up with this one it would be bike with 2 batteries ($4800) and 2 yepp maxi’s ($240 each) for a total of $5280.

Things I would love with the Tern: 1. RANGE. I get a little less than 20 miles on a charge now that the weather is around freezing in Missouri. Which means charging at least once a day on my 4 mile commute to work. 2. STEP-OVER. The RadWagon can be a beast to swing my leg over when it’s loaded. 3. WEIGHT. The RadWagon is about 75 lbs with the caboose, and the walk assist isn’t enough to get it up my apartment stairs like I’d hoped. I have to carry it by hand, and it is a monster (that’s not even counting any gear like the heavy lock I carry to keep it from getting stolen around town). The wagon also takes up a lot more room in my apartment than this thing would.

Things I would miss with the Tern: 1. THROTTLE. Twist the throttle anytime on the wagon, and you get the full 750 watts from the motor, which is awesome for starting from stop and also cruising after a long day of work. Sometimes it’s nice not to pedal. The throttle alone is a deal breaker for me. 2. PRICE. I can do a lot with the $3330 difference in price, including a second RadWagon completely fitted out and 1330 snickers bars :)

Love. My. RadWagon.

Hope this helps.

Voodoo Six
5 days ago

Nuncle Cleent -you’re right, at $5000 for this dual battery model - you could buy a Radwagon ($1600), completely strip it, upgrade all of the bike components ($1000), install a bbshd kit ($875) and still have $1500 left over for extra batteries. The only advantage the Tern has is storage size.

Nuncle Cleent
3 weeks ago

I will definitely give you that. It seems like a Toyota to Lexus kind of comparison, and there is certainly some “you get what you pay for” in this equation :) I was frustrated by how little real-life info I could find on these types of bikes when I was shopping. So I hope it’s helpful. As the experts, I would love to hear some of your comparison info and recommendations. I’ve never heard a “don’t buy this bike” on the channel, even on the super 73 which I could tell you weren’t psyched about. For the record, there would be NO Info on e - bikes without this channel. So THANKS! Just some feedback from a customer. :)

Chris at Propel
3 weeks ago

Nuncle Cleent thanks for the thoughtful comparison. I would recommend you try one if you get the chance. You might find there are somethings you’re missing as I don’t think it’s really apples to apples here. We’ve built and serviced several Radwagons and I can assure you that this is a very different animal. It would also be great to have you report back when you’ve had the bike for sometime.

Kris Miller
3 weeks ago

Also, thanks Court (and Chris) for the awesome reviews! I don't even have an ebike (yet) and I watch all of your vids lol. The GSD will be my first I hope! So long as I can get one out to me in Hawaii.

Joshua Hon
3 weeks ago

Hi Kris - the GSD will definitely be available from your local  Tern dealer on the island.

Kris Miller
3 weeks ago

Anyone know the US release date? I'm so excited for this bike. I've been shopping around for an ebike for nearly a year now and haven't quite been able to find what I need. This is exactly the bike I've been looking for!

Kris Miller
3 weeks ago

Joshua Hon Awesome, I'm stoked! Thanks!

Joshua Hon
3 weeks ago

Hi Kris -  we should have these ready to go by early Spring.

Honky Tonk
3 weeks ago

Very good heavy duty bike.

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 weeks ago

Yeah, this thing was built to last ;)

Fred Horner
3 weeks ago

I love your reviews but I'd really like to see you load up all of the bikes that come with racks. It would be very informative to see the responsiveness and power when they're loaded with what they claim is a max load.

qqq uiop
2 weeks ago

Yeah, I was wondering about brake fade for 400 lbs on a steep grade- where I live, think ~1500' el. drop over about 10 miles. Also, climbing that grade with 400 lbs rider/cargo, what would be the real-world battery range, eco mode, light winds?

Pr
2 weeks ago

There are motorcycles (analogy to bicycles) which drastically change steering/ suspension behaviour when fully loaded and that makes very big difference for the rider (safety, steering). It is very important to test vehicle when fully loaded (this is CARGO bike). Cargo bike should have either 203mm disc brakes on front or two calipers on front 160mm rotor. Without metallic brake pads UNDER HEAVY LOAD one will experience fading when going downhill. There is no idea how this - so called "cargo" - bicycle behaves in turns (frame is flexing) when fully loaded (too much flex can be disturbing). Many important things were missed to point out.

Fred Horner
3 weeks ago

I've reviewed lots of products in the past (mostly firearms and associated products, not on this name) so I understand the constraints. No worries at all and I look forward to seeing more reviews in the future!

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 weeks ago

Thanks Fred, sorry that hasn't been a focus for me. I'd like to do all kinds of things but am often limited by time and the state of the product (like is it a brand new unit being sold or is it a demo that I can actually beat up a bit if an accident happens). In any case, I'll keep trying and appreciate your thoughts

philodygmn
3 weeks ago

Thanks so much for the test ride on rough street and honest details about tradeoffs.

P. S. New York fixed its bungling ban on walk mode?

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 weeks ago

Sure thing, not super clear on the state of walk mode legality in NYC but they aren't allowing throttles. Nobody has ever questioned the bikes I have reviewed there and I have passed many police officers. I think it has more to do with how you are riding. There are clearly illegal e-bikes all over the city and I have never seen them being chased or ticketed by officers during my visits, but that could change for the scooter type models in the future

ZiggZagg11
3 weeks ago

I really like my RadWagon cargo bicycle for half the money....

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 weeks ago

Great to hear, thanks for the feedback! I think Rad Power Bikes hit a sweet spot with that price and design, this one is different and it does some things better and some things worse (like price) but that's okay, nice to have choice :)

rccrashburn
3 weeks ago

Cannot see considering a $4 grand mini ebike. OVERPRICED!!!

qqq uiop
2 weeks ago

It may be a reasonable price if it will do what you need it to do. You are not ill-informed, you are asking a reasonable question. From the options available for $4,000, I'm looking at used cars, new/almost new scooters/motorcycles, and ebikes. The ebike choice has to have enough positives/versatility to overcome what ICE motors can do easily, but bikes can't. This one is almost there, but not quite.

Martin Schmidt
3 weeks ago

rccrashburn No Its Not. You are Not informed good. Thats all. :)

augsburg
3 weeks ago

Very interesting bike. For a bike like this, it would be great to include a average sized woman trying this out to get their take on how the compact cargo bike is to handle.

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 weeks ago

Great point! Thanks for the suggestion, I'll work on getting more guest perspectives and ladies in particular :)

ampoules1
3 weeks ago

Could you please explain why electric scooters cost less than a lot of these electric bicycles?

Rotormatic
3 weeks ago

@Jorge Mendoza: The GoGoRo 2 scooter is awesome. I've seen videos on it and the acceleration is phenomenal. But the Gogoro weighs well over 220lbs, travels over 50mph and has no pedals. If used in the USA, it would need to be registered and insured. The driver will need an M1 motorcycle license most likely because its essentially an electric full speed scooter.

Jorge Mendoza
3 weeks ago

ElectricBikeReview.com what about gogoro. Do you know this scooter? The gogoro 2 is awesome and the whole concept about it and the charging stations is brilliant!

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 weeks ago

Many of them use sealed Lead-Acid battery packs that are heavier and don't last as long. They achieve low price points because most don't sell through dealers who offer support and they come with little or no warranty. Economies of scale helps them (one bike, one configuration, one color) but the performance might be limited... hope this helps!

Martin Schmidt
3 weeks ago

ampoules1 because the electric scooters are mostly China produced crap. Sorry. :)

Seb K
3 weeks ago

Why do people complain about Ebike prices ?!!! A lot of videos there are comments about price . Don't forget these are mopeds technically . They will be more expensive than an equivalent traditional bike . If you don't like the price find a cheaper version .

MotorheadRedo
2 weeks ago

qqq uiop I was just watching a Vespa scooter video. They are very nice. If I was in your position and considering a scooter, I would also look at a used 250cc motorcycle. Something like a Honda CRF250L or Kawasaki KLX250S. Kawasaki just brought back the KLX250S for 2018. It was discontinued from 2015 through 2017 in the USA. You can usually find them well below MSRP with low mileage.

Ronnie Dylan
2 weeks ago

I agree. I've been trying to figure out how to justify the higher prices on the bikes and that was my conclusion: You're really paying for a well-made, hi-tech bicycle FIRST, then with the added, quality motor-assist and the technology behind that, it actually makes more sense. I figure, if the juice runs out you're still left with a high quality bike to ride.

Ronnie Dylan
2 weeks ago

I agree. I think the manufacturers are simply taking advantage of the minimal competition and cost of development. Seems like the popularity AND competition is quickly rising which means that very soon they will be forced to lower prices to compete.

qqq uiop
2 weeks ago

I have an ebike and it won't do what I need it to do- it doesn't have the range or the carrying capacity I need for it to replace my old car. There are reasons I haven't wanted to get a motorcycle endorsement (changes to my CDL, which would suck now) but I'm about ready to, as I can get a sweet scooter that works better as a car replacement for equal or less than what I'd pay for an ebike that doesn't.

Martin Schmidt
2 weeks ago

MotorheadRedo Do you understand that a ebike drive is electric? That a ebike is much more efficent than a moped? No noise and No fuel smell?

Reggie Tricker
3 weeks ago

Great review of a very interesting bike. More bikes should have the upright storage system, particularly for apartments and cycle sheds where cargo bikes tend to be a bit long to store. Also a nice insight into a Summer's day in Brooklyn!

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 weeks ago

Yeah, I think it's a fantastic idea... and it felt pretty solid in that position

Christopher Colm
3 weeks ago

What does the "walk mode" do?

Martin Schmidt
3 weeks ago

Christopher Colm it pushes the bike without pedaling. Like a throttle but at very low speed to help u. Its very useful.