Desiknio Single Speed Urban Review

Desiknio Single Speed Urban Electric Bike Review
Desiknio Single Speed Urban
Desiknio Single Speed Urban Ebikemotion Technologies 250 Watt Motor
Desiknio Single Speed Urban Integrated 250 Watt Hour Downtube Battery
Desiknio Single Speed Urban Flat Handlebar Fabric Silicon Grips
Desiknio Single Speed Urban Shimano Adjustable Reach Hydraulic Brake Levers
Desiknio Single Speed Urban Continental Speed Tires 700 42c
Desiknio Single Speed Urban Charging Port Xlc Alloy Pedals
Desiknio Single Speed Urban 160 Mm Hydraulic Disc Brakes
Desiknio Single Speed Urban 2 Amp Ebike Charger
Desiknio Single Speed Urban Electric Bike Review
Desiknio Single Speed Urban
Desiknio Single Speed Urban Ebikemotion Technologies 250 Watt Motor
Desiknio Single Speed Urban Integrated 250 Watt Hour Downtube Battery
Desiknio Single Speed Urban Flat Handlebar Fabric Silicon Grips
Desiknio Single Speed Urban Shimano Adjustable Reach Hydraulic Brake Levers
Desiknio Single Speed Urban Continental Speed Tires 700 42c
Desiknio Single Speed Urban Charging Port Xlc Alloy Pedals
Desiknio Single Speed Urban 160 Mm Hydraulic Disc Brakes
Desiknio Single Speed Urban 2 Amp Ebike Charger

Summary

  • A sleek, quiet, incredibly lightweight, single speed electric bike, made in three frame sizes and four colors with hydraulic disc brakes, very limited quantity
  • Smooth welds, internally routed cabling, completely hidden battery pack, and compact hub motor make this e-bike super stealthy, it blends in
  • High attention to detail, the motor cable is tucked in and well protected, all of the components match in black, the rims and tires are upgraded
  • Super responsive 20 magnet cadence sensor, reliable belt drive, minimalist control interface but there's a smartphone app, smaller battery and motor, battery is not removable for separate charging

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Introduction

Make:

Desiknio

Model:

Single Speed Urban

Price:

$4,415 (3,590€)

Body Position:

Forward, Forward Aggressive

Suggested Use:

Neighborhood, Urban

Electric Bike Class:

Pedal Assist (Class 1)
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Warranty:

2 Year Comprehensive, 5 Year Frame

Availability:

Germany, United Kingdom, United States

Model Year:

2018

Bicycle Details

Total Weight:

28.9 lbs (13.1 kg)

Battery Weight:

2.65 lbs (1.2 kg)

Motor Weight:

4.63 lbs (2.1 kg)

Frame Material:

6061 Aluminium Alloy, T6 Heat Treated

Frame Sizes:

20.5 in (52.07 cm)22 in (55.88 cm)22.83 in (57.98 cm)

Geometry Measurements:

22" Seat Tube Length, 22" Reach, 32" Stand Over Height, 26.5" Width, 69.25" Length

Frame Types:

High-Step

Frame Colors:

Indigo Blue, Magic Black, Granada Red

Frame Fork Details:

Monocoque Full Carbon Fiber (380 Grams), 100 mm Hub Spacing, 15 mm Thru-Axle

Frame Rear Details:

135 mm Hub Spacing, 12 mm Threaded Axle with 9.8 mm Cutout

Attachment Points:

Fender Bosses, Rear Rack Bosses, Bottle Cage Bosses

Gearing Details:

1 Single Speed, 20 Tooth Sprocket

Cranks:

Gates Forged Alloy, 175 mm Length, 55 Tooth Gates Carbon Drive Beltring

Pedals:

XLC Alloy Platform with Grip Tape, Black

Headset:

Fully Integrated, Sealed, Tapered 1-1/8" to 1-1/2"

Stem:

Alloy, 70 mm, 90 mm or 110 mm Length, 6° Rise, 31.8 mm Clamp

Handlebar:

Alloy, Slight Sweep Back, 660 mm Length

Brake Details:

Shimano LX Hydraulic Disc, 160 mm Rotors, Three-Finger Levers with Adjustable Reach

Grips:

Fabric Silicon, Flat, Black

Saddle:

Fabric Scoop Shallow Elite, Black

Seat Post:

Aluminum Alloy

Seat Post Length:

300 mm

Seat Post Diameter:

31.6 mm

Rims:

Mach 1, Alloy, Double Wall, 32 Hole, Brass Reinforcement Eyelets, Anodized

Spokes:

Stainless Steel, 14 Gauge, Black with Nipples

Tire Brand:

Continental Speed, 28" x 1.6" (700x42c) (42x622)

Wheel Sizes:

28 in (71.12cm)

Tire Details:

Ebike Ready, Safety System, 85 PSI Max, 6.0 Bar Max

Tube Details:

Presta Valve

Accessories:

Optional Bridge for Rear Rack and Fender, Optional Stronglight Alloy Anodized Fenders, Optional Tubus Fly Rear Rack, Optional Lauf Grit Carbon Suspension Fork, Optional 250 Watt-Hour External Battery (Bottle Design, 1 kg Weight), Optional Integrated Supernova Lights (Mini 2 Front, A3 Rear)

Other:

Downtube Integrated Battery Pack, CAN BUS Electronic Systems, CNC Parts, Internal Hose Routing, Handcrafted TIG Double Smooth Welding, Polished by Hand, Custom Colors, 118T Belt

Electronic Details

Motor Brand:

Ebikemotion Technologies by MAHLE Automotive Group

Motor Type:

Rear-Mounted Geared Hub
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Motor Nominal Output:

250 watts

Motor Peak Output:

350 watts

Motor Torque:

40 Newton meters

Battery Brand:

Pannasonic 18650GA, (10 Series, 2 Parallel)

Battery Voltage:

36 volts

Battery Amp Hours:

7 ah

Battery Watt Hours:

250 wh (Optional 250 wh Bottle Battery)

Battery Chemistry:

Lithium-ion

Charge Time:

3 hours

Estimated Min Range:

30 miles (48 km)

Estimated Max Range:

50 miles (80 km)

Display Type:

Fixed Button with LED

Readouts:

Power (On/Off), Assist Level (Green, Orange, Red, White), Battery Level (Green, Orange, Red, White)

Display Accessories:

Optional Bluetooth App Called Ebikemotion (iOS, Android)

Drive Mode:

Cadence Sensing Pedal Assist (20 Magnets, 2 Hall Sensors)

Top Speed:

15.5 mph (25 kph) (20 mph US Version)

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Written Review

Desiknio is a relatively new electric bike company that’s leveraging proven motor, battery, and controller systems from Ebikemotion Technologies. I got to demo two brand new Desiknio models just a few days after they arrived at a shop in London called Fully Charged, and was told that there will only be 100 or so produced in 2018. There’s a handmade feel to these bikes, you get four color options and three frame sizes… I’m not sure on delivery times, and unfortunately I did not get to see the light options, fender and rack adapter, or the smartphone app. Please chime in with your feedback and corrections! I did my best to record all of the stats (even speaking with the founder of the company for an hour before filming). The Desiknio products are minimalist, sleek, and beautiful, but use premium hardware and command a higher price. I noticed and appreciated the fancy Shimano hydraulic disc brakes, Continental ebike specific tires, Fabric saddle and grips, tapered head tube, 15 mm thru-axle, and quality carbon fiber fork. Thanks to its higher volume gravel-grinder tires and this fork, the bike rides comfortably. There’s only one gear, but the motor helps you zip up to speed and pedaling is near silent. Rather than a chain, this electric bicycle uses a Gates carbon belt drive system and that required a custom frame cutout. Let’s be honest, it’s an expensive single speed with a small motor and limited battery capacity (especially by US standards). The beauty is that it’s fun to pedal even when off, the wires are completely hidden and the display interface almost disappears, and you can double the battery capacity with an optional bottle style pack that mounts to the bosses on the seat tube. For zippy runs around town and easy lifts back upstairs, this bike is a clear winner. However, you will always have to take it up those stairs for a charge, because the battery pack is not easily removable (only for repairs and replacement. The Desiknio Single Speed Urban won me over, but with focus comes compromise.

Driving this e-bike is a compact, 250-watt nominally rated, planetary geared hub motor. It hides perfectly behind the 160 mm disc brake rotor on the left and a slightly larger-than-average 20 tooth sprocket on the right. The rear hangar is floating design, in black of course, and offers a horizontal dropout with stainless steel insert on the right, to manage axle bite as the motor produces force. You can definitely hear the motor when operating at full power with a frame mounted camera, but it fades away when you’re actually just riding. Geared motors, like this one, freewheel efficiently, so you can coast along without any additional drag or resistance… just a bit more weight. I was told that the motor ony weighs ~2.1 kg (4.63 lbs) and there appeared to be enough space for use with a cassette if you wanted to completely change the drivetrain. With both this single speed configuration and the Desiknio Pinion Classic, there’s gap between the right side of the motor casing and the sprocket. I was able to see the 20 small magnets near the sprocket interface, and this is what allows the bike to switch on and off so quickly, and why they opted to skip motor inhibiting brake levers. For an efficient ebike like this, with a 250 watt nominally rated motor, they don’t seem necessary. Especially with such a great sensor and upgraded hydraulic disc brakes. The final upgrade I noticed with this motor is how the power cable was connected. Rather than protruding from the right axle, like most cheaper designs from Bafang and others right now, this one is tucked between the hub casing and disc brake on the left. It adds to the sleek “hidden ebike” nature here, and is going to stay better protected at bike racks and accidents or tips. This bike has no kickstand after all.

Powering this bike is rather small 36 volt 7 amp hour Lithium-ion battery pack that is built right into the downtube. It can slide out the bottom for maintenance or replacement, I believe without removing the bottom bracket crankset (a requirement on the Pinion model), by removing a plastic cap. This battery is a blessing and a curse in my opinion. It offers well below the average 350 watt-hour capacity I see on most electric bikes (many now offer 500+ watt hours) but is completely hidden, positioned low on the frame, and reduces the overall weight of the bike. The reason you probably wouldn’t want a more powerful motor on this bike (aside from European regulations) is that it would drain the pack more quickly and severely limit range. The motor and battery work together perfectly, it’s just designed for pedaling. If you are alright pedaling but struggle with hills, the single speed may not be the right fit. It’s geared for comfortable pedal revolutions around the 25 km/h mark (roughly 15.5 mph) and that’s great for flats and small hills, but not so fun to start. I really think the Pinion 6 or 12 speed give you everything that the Single Speed has, and more, but the price is higher and the weight goes up by ~5 lbs. Both of these electric bikes use batteries with upgraded Panasonic brand cells, I’m told there will be a 250 watt hour external bottle-style battery upgrade (which perhaps could be charged off-bike). And, the charger is relatively basic but compact and lightweight, offering 2 amp output. Do be careful when charging however, because the plugin port is situated between the crank arms and could get snagged and broken. It uses a plastic plug interface that didn’t feel as sturdy as some.

Operating this bike was a bit confusing for me, to be honest. There’s only one button to work with, a circular physical press button on the top tube, near the head tube. Once the bike has battery has been charged, you simply press this button to activate the bike. It seems like the default startup assist level is green (the lowest level) but it could be white (no assist). To cycle through different levels, simply double press the circular button. It goes from green, to yellow, and then red. I did all of my ride testing in red to get a feel for power and noise, but would occasionally see the LED colors change back to green. Could this have been a reference to the battery level? I tried all sorts of press combinations and eventually decided to power of and then on again, in case anything had been messed up. Power the bike off takes ~10 seconds, which is quite a long time in my opinion. Six seconds would be more convenient if your hands are cold or you’re focused on a friend (which was the case during my ride tests). Thankfully, there’s a Bluetooth connected smartphone app with more feedback to draw from. I’m guessing that it shows speed, trip distance, odometer, a more precise battery capacity readout, and possibly a GPS map and user profile. I cannot say however, because that was not available to us at the time of review. One thing that crossed my mind about an app is that you’ll be draining your phone battery with no way to maintain it on the go. It would be nice if there was a USB port somewhere to plug into… even though the main ebike battery is relatively limited on capacity itself. I was told that the bike is compatible with two Supernova LED lights that can be wired-in to run off the battery, but am not sure exactly how that works either. The joys of reviewing a brand new ebike in another country with language barriers!

Desiknio reached out to me via email after posting this review to clarify how the display panel works: press the button for one second to turn the bike on (the system does a diagnostic check on itself and then shows the battery level as white: more than 75%, green: between 50% to 75%, orange: between 25% to 50%, and red: 0% to 25% and blinking faster if 15% or 10%). When you’re ready to change assist levels, just one short click will take you from white: assist off, green: assist 1, orange: assist 2, or red: assist 3. I was told that the bike starts off in level 1, so you get a small level of assist right away. It seems like the assist level color changes after just a few seconds of riding, reverting back to your battery level color (which is why I was seeing green frequently during the ride, despite choosing assist 3 which is red). While adjusting assist levels, a long click of greater than three seconds will turn on and off the lights (if the optional Supernova lights are installed and connected). Once the display reverts back to battery readout, you can hold the button for three more seconds to turn the bike off. Also, you can hold the button for 10 seconds if you want to completely reboot the system (which is what we ended up doing in the video review).

Overall, I really enjoyed this electric bike, especially after comparing it with the Coboc One Soho, a similar looking single speed from a competing brand. This product does not offer cadence and torque sensing, but I prefer the default motor performance and refined power cable interface. This is an electric bike that is fun to ride without assist easy to lift up and store inside (and that’s what I’d probably do given the price and beautiful finish). It would be cool to see a mixte mid-step frame for people who cannot step as high, and I’d probably swap the rigid post with a suspension design for my shoulders, back, and neck. For people who want an active experience, something fast and efficient, an ebike that’s fun to pedal but will still help you manage wind and small hills, this would be a great option. I would absolutely love to see what it looks and rides like with a Lauf carbon suspension fork, and that’s made possible by the tapered head tube and 15 mm thru-axle here. It’s an exciting bike because it’s convenient to ride. There’s a lot less hassle here, except for parking near a power plug and carrying around the charger if you are struggling with range. I wish I had more details for you regarding battery readouts and welcome feedback and questions in the comments below, I’ll do my best to answer. Big thanks to Desiknio for partnering with me on this review and to Fully Charged for hosting me during this visit to London!

Pros:

  • Single speed electric bikes tend to be very lightweight and durable, there’s no derailleur hanging down off the rear dropout and no need for shifter mechanisms, the belt drive setup here is even cleaner, tougher, and quieter, it should hold up well at bike racks or if it gets dropped
  • The power cable that runs to the motor is tucked in neatly between the disc brake rotor and left side of the hub motor casing, this protects it if the frame tips and will reduce snags as you ride… it’s beautiful and clean, but there is still a quick disconnect for servicing the wheel, tire, and inner tube
  • For me, it’s very impressive to see a purpose-built electric bike like this available in three frame sizes, it probably adds to the higher price but is nice considering the frame only comes in high-step
  • The frame has smooth welds and is more hand-crafted and refined than a lot of the cheaper e-bikes I test and review, it looks beautiful
  • This is one of the lightest electric bikes I have ever reviewed, the large frame only weighs 13.1 kg (28.9 lbs) and is extremely well balanced, perfect for lifting up stairs
  • I love that they included bottle cage bosses on the seat tube, and am excited for the expanded energy pack (a bottle style battery with 250 watt hours of additional power to double your range)
  • The hydraulic disc brakes stay cleaner and work better than rim brakes, it’s nice that you can adjust the brake lever reach if you’re wearing gloves or have large or small hands
  • Ride quality is pretty good here, the tires offer more air volume, the carbon fiber fork dampens vibration, and the saddle was comfortable… but you could always add a 31.6 mm suspension seat post and shockstop stem to soften the bumps
  • It surprised me to see a 15 mm thru-axle on the fork vs. a traditional 9.8 mm quick release skewer… this feature, combined with the tapered head tube, means you could swap it out for a suspension fork like the Lauf, which would be awesome :D
  • It’s neat that the bike is being produced in four color options, the paint appeared to be very well done, there wasn’t a cheap feel to any part of this bike… even the pedals and reinforced rims were nice
  • Note the black rims, black spokes, black motor casing, black fork, and black tubing on the seat post, stem, handlebar, beltring, and cranks… it all looks very nice, and most of the cabling is internally routed to keep the look clean
  • It’s neat that Desiknio offers an integrated light package, to keep you visible in nighttime riding conditions, I would consider adding reflective stickers or reflective tires down the road myself (the 6-speed Pinion model did have reflective tires)
  • It sounds like there’s an adapter for the rear seat stays, some sort of bridge, that would allow you to mount a proprietary rack and maybe fenders
  • I was told that the bike uses CAN BUS communications protocol (like an automobile) which makes diagnosing motor, battery, and controller issues much easier
  • The motor utilizes a 20 magnet system with 2 hall sensors for pedal assist, it felt very responsive and fluid to me, almost like a torque sensor at first
  • In addition to the Class 1 European 15.5 mph limited model, it sounds like Disiknio will also be releasing a US version that an reach 20 mph for people who prefer to ride a bit faster
  • I was told that Desiknio is using 18650 battery cells from Panasonic, which is widely regarded as one of the best manufacturers in terms of quality
  • The bike feels stable (I was able to ride with no hands because of the larger tires and fork angle), and the drivetrain just feels solid, nice floating dropouts to tension the belt drive and a stainless steel insert for strength, to handle motor torque
  • Bike shops have told me that belt drives can be even more reliable than chains and the Gates carbon belt drive is one of the best, it uses CDX center tracking to stay aligned even if the terrain is bumpy or it gets kicked

Cons:

  • You’re paying a lot of money for a relatively small battery pack and minimal motor support, they work well and keep the bike sleek and lightweight… so it depends on what you want, this is a more active electric bike
  • Single speed drivetrains rarely derail and reduce wire clutter around the bike and at the handlebar (no shifters needed), but you have to work harder to get the bike started and cannot adjust the pedal cadence once you get up to speed
  • I love how simple and clean the interface is, but the circular power button got a bit confusing at times… you press it once to turn the bike on, then double press it to cycle between assist levels (green is low, yellow is medium, and red is high), sometimes it jumped from green to red and other times it went back to white (which is no-assist) and I couldn’t tell how to measure battery capacity, I wish we would have had the app working for this review, I’m sure it adds a lot of feedback
  • As cool as it is to have an app, the big downside is that you’ll be running your smartphone with Bluetooth enabled, and this will drain the battery more quickly, there isn’t a USB charging port to tap into anywhere and even if there was, the ebike battery itself is pretty low capacity
  • The charger is a bit basic, it offers 2 amp power flow, which is fine for such a small battery here, and connects with a plastic plug just above the bottom bracket, be careful not to snag the wire, you cannot easily remove the battery for charging off bike (just replacements and service) so plan to bring your bike near an outlet all the time… which may be difficult if you’re commuting to work and parking outside
  • Without using the smartphone app, you won’t know how far you’ve gone, how fast you’re going, or anything else besides the current level of assist and maybe the battery level (even then, I think the battery readout is going to be very simple compared to a digital percentage readout), the good news is, this bike is easy and fun to ride even if it does run out of juice, I wish that turning it off went a little quicker, it seemed like we had to hold the power button for 10 seconds (which is a long time when it’s cold out), and there wasn’t a tamper prevention mode or key required to operate the bike like most other e-bikes

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MisterM
4 months ago

Really nice minimalist design. The price is extravagant. Yikes!

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court
4 months ago

Yeah, very pricy… It seems like most of the frame-integrated battery bikes cost a lot. Stuff like this, Coboc, and Faraday. Hopefully we will see the price go down with mainstream drive systems like the Ebikemotion Technologies here. I’m surprised it costs that much when they are using a system vs. a custom setup like Faraday.

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Joseph
3 months ago

I want to **buy** this bike. I have the Yamaha Giant now. I enjoy the speed and all but I can see the point of a lightweight bike that can go 20mph. Any word on when they are going to release or the US model or How do I buy the current European ??

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court
3 months ago

Hi Joseph, I suggest reaching out to Ben at the Fully Charged shop in London if you’re interested. I believe that he ships Internationally and can adjust speed settings for you. I’d love to hear your thoughts if you do buy one of these, it’s a special bike… I really enjoyed getting to test the Pinion gearbox too, and hope to publish a separate review on that model in the coming weeks ;)

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Michael
2 months ago

I have a shortish commute –about 2 miles– but it has a gradient of about 400 ft over the course. Ie, I have a substantial climb in one direction. Given that this is a single speed bike, in terms of rider effort, what kind of performance can I expect on steeper hills? Will it reduce the work only fractionally or will it be substantial?

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court
2 months ago

Hi Michael! It will reduce the work substantially if you have some speed going in, and can maintain that speed… but if you have to slow down on the hill or stop halfway up, it will help only fractionally and I’d suggest walking it or standing up to pedal. Single speeds and efficient geared hub motors (ie. weaker ones) just don’t offer the sort of climbing performance needed at low speed. It will definitely be easier than a single speed without a motor, and I appreciate that this bike is lightweight and easier to start with (or walk if need be). Desiknio also has a seven-speed option called the Desiknio 6 which has a cool mid-gearbox. I filmed that bike as well and may post the review in the coming week or so if you’d like :)

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Nova Haibike
2 weeks ago

A couple of E-bikes with Pinion (but difficult if not impossible to get here in the U.S.): http://desiknio.com/pinionurban/https://www.hilite-bikes.com/product/pinion-p12-gates-go-swissdrive-2/

Nova Haibike
3 weeks ago

According to the written review, there is only going to be 100 made for 2018. Given those numbers, they may sell out.

It isn't always about weight or specs. There is zero doubt in my mind that the Desiknio is a much higher quality bicycle than the $1K competition. It's like the difference between a Rolex and a Timex; even though they both tell time, they are not the same, nor are they made for the same customer. Me, I'll take the Seiko. ;)

Over50
4 weeks ago

La uva. The grape? Well, if they are from Spain then they should know that Desiknio seems to have beat them to market by a long ways with a very similar looking bike. So not sure how this one is such a "breakthrough bike". And the "Tesla" of this or that sure seems to get thrown around a lot. Just put in "Tesla of E bikes" in Youtube and see what you get.

Nova Haibike
1 month ago

I like the http://desiknio.com/pinionurban/. No suspension, but this https://redshiftsports.com would not detract from the aesthetics of the bike. Because it is a European bike, it does not support 28 mph, but a mere 16 mph. Lastly, while it is not $10K, it is still very expensive.

charly
2 months ago

Oh! I didn't expect so many answers in such a short time, thank you all so much!!

There are some great ideas there!
Regarding carrying the bike, indeed at my place I can take the battery off, but in my city there are a few shortcuts which involve going up a long flight of stairs, and leaving either the battery or the bike is not an option ;-)
An ideal bike would be sub 15Kg (33 lbs), I am spoiled and really used to my road bike which is around 7Kg... (15 lbs).

Indeed I agree, as I researched, there seems to be a new category of road bikes which are close to what I am looking for, but are way too expensive (Pinarello, Cube Agree...). Also, while I appreciate the drops (much safer on descents), the aggressive road bike position is really not safe while commuting, where it's better to be on the lookout for incoming, swerving, braking, lane-crossing drivers.

I found a couple of bikes which are close in specs to what I'm looking for.

AMPLER CURT: https://amplerbikes.com/en/e-bikes/curt
Pro: Looks great, 14Kg, carbon fork (great for vibration dampening), ~3000$ with 10sp and lights. I could probably get the weight even further down by changing the front wheel. The support/sales are nice, and very responsive.
Cons: Gearing: 40T at the front, cassette can be changed to a compatible 11-36, but that's a limited range overall for climbing super steep hills with 14Kg, unless I'm mistaken? (ok, I can contribute an additional 100W pushing mildly, and 200W pushing harder but then I'll start sweating). See comparison:
http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=40&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2185&TF=80&SL=2.6&UN=KMH&GR2=DERS&KB2=34,50&RZ2=11,12,13,14,16,18,20,22,25,28,32&UF2=2220
The price seems also a bit high (as with all e-bikes) for these pretty standard (and cheap) components.
Also, the frame can't accept a double chainring.

ORBEA GAIN D20 (road/gravel) / F20 (fitness/city)
https://www.orbea.com/ch-en/ebikes/gain-d20
https://www.orbea.com/nl-en/ebikes/gain-f20
Pro: 13Kg, ~3300$, well-known brand with serious dealer network, full Shimano 105 compact groupset (i.e. can be easily upgraded/changed to my liking) on the F20, SRAM Rival 1x on the D20.

Here are a few bikes I discarded:
HAIBIKE XDURO: 19Kg a bit on the heavy side, and too expensive
GIANT ROAD E+: 19Kg, same story
COBOC SEVEN: limited gear range and too expensive
KETTLER 2° STREET: can't find much information on this one

Then there's this one, which is über-beautiful, has a very interesting pinion gearbox (although 15Kg with the 1.9CX version), but unfortunately, at 6000$, is completely out of my budget (the engine is the same as for the Orbea bikes).
DESIKNIO PINION URBAN: http://desiknio.com/pinionurban/

I will definitely look into the cost and effort of making my own build, I like the idea of having a fully customised bike, and compare with the above. Thank you very much for the recommendations, it's very helpful!

Moonshine
3 months ago

https://electricbikereview.com/desiknio/single-speed-urban/

$4500 for a single speed bike seems Crazy in my mind but then again, I ignore my mind routinely.

I was wondering if it's possible to get a conversation going about the commuter worthiness of such a bike. The idea of an extremely lightweight bike makes a lot of sense when it comes to exploring the city. You could easily put it in and out of buses/trains with ease! I don't see it needing a lot of maintenance. If you are not dealing with a lot of steep hills, would a single speed bike be okay? The company does offer pinion gearbox version but that's like $2500 more. Needs yearly maintenance. Why do these bikes cost so much?

Are there bikes similar to this other than the Faraday in the U.S? (I hate the Faraday look. Maybe hate is a strong word. How about Strong sense of nausea?)

Ebike Acquisition Syndrome.

net200777
3 months ago

I thought about the levo. I would want to see take it to the level I'm thinking of where bikes rely less on data and more on just being a bike.

J.R.
3 months ago

Specialized Turbo Levo. I believe it's what you describe. Go to ~5:25.

There's also this new urban (not mtb) bike:

https://electricbikereview.com/desiknio/single-speed-urban/

Court
3 months ago

Hi guys! I got to test and review two Desiknio models when visiting the UK in February of 2018 and you can check those out here, but one thing I struggled with was that it only has a single button with LED lighting that shows your assist level, your battery level, and activates front and rear lights (if installed). In my opinion, the button is overloaded, and it led to some confusion during filming (even after talking with the founder). He emailed me some tips afterwards, and then again after that... just to clarify things. My hope here is that by including the official Ebikemotion Technologies manual and his instructions from the email (which are more clear to me) that you will be able to enjoy the bike more. I'm doing this in part because I was confused even during the review and my goal is to help you enjoy the bike and know how to interact with it efficiently. Apparently they also have a Bluetooth smartphone app, but it was not available when we did the review so I did not cover it. Feel free to chime in with more feedback or photos and input about the app!

To turn on, press the circular button briefly one time:

The system does a diagnostics check during the first few seconds when booting up, and then shows the level of battery. The LED shows always the level of battery by default, from white, green, orange, and red, and then blinking in red when the capacity is less than 25% (faster as the battery is about to be completely empty):

When you're ready to change the level of assistance, simply press the circular button one time, it starts in level 1 assist (green) and goes up to orange, red, and then down to white which is no assist:

All the time that it's in the assistance menu, the LED is blinking. With short clicks, it moves to the different levels (not necessary double click as in the video review I created, just if you want to skip a level). With a long click (>3 seconds) it turns the lights on and off (if the Supernova lights are installed and connected to the system). If after 3 seconds you don't click again, the display comes back to the battery level.

To turn the bike off, do a long click (>3 seconds) and release. It does a checking and turns off. The 10s long click is to reboot the system, not necessary any time you just want to turn off. To further clarify, regarding the 3 second press to activate the lights, it must be done when you are into the assistance menu (while the LED is blinking), it doesn't matter in which level. If you are in the battery level menu (by default, while the LED is not blinking), after holding the button >3 seconds, this will turn the bike off.

Ann M.
4 months ago

Court travelled to London to visit Fully Charged, a phenomenal electric bike shop. Started 4 years ago by Ben, looking for alternative way to get around, this London shop is located in a unique building full of charm & history and a kick butt coffee shop. Many of the top brands that we know and some American brands like Vintage Electric grace the showroom with lots of test ride bikes.

Fully Charged has been selling electric bikes in London (and other parts of the UK) since 2014. We were invited to visit their main stor and take a tour. In this video, I fly from Denver Colorado USA to London, take a train, and meet Ben at the store to look at some of their ebikes and film reviews. The very first Fully Charged outlet was in a tube station (the subway) and they have since expanded and brought on more brands.

Fully Charged carries the following brands:
- Riese & Müller
- Moustache
- Vintage Electric
- Raleigh
- Tern
- KTM
- Gocycle
- Urban Arrow
- A2B
- Haibike
- Butchers & Bicycles
- BH Easy Motion
- Coboc
- Desiknio

After a tour around the shop, we visited the London Bike Show and met Dan Parsons who was the first employee of Gocycle (doing quality and safety testing) and has been working in the ebike space since 2008. He is head of operations now and will be helping with the Fully Charged Barge initiative, a floating demo station that will give people in London a way to discover and test electric bikes in 2018. Official Website is: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?redir_token=P30D7e61TY2OwTFH4zYrffTdAvt8MTUxOTg4MzE5OEAxNTE5Nzk2Nzk4&event=video_description&v=ZNXdmUMVYA0&q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fullycharged.com%2FOfficial Instagram: @FullyChargedUK Shop Address is: Globe House, 37 Bermondsey Street, London, SE1 3JW The music used in this video is from Be Svendsen, used with permission. You can visit their Soundcloud page to listen to more tracks at: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?redir_token=P30D7e61TY2OwTFH4zYrffTdAvt8MTUxOTg4MzE5OEAxNTE5Nzk2Nzk4&event=video_description&v=ZNXdmUMVYA0&q=https%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Fbesvendsen

Ann M.
4 months ago

No ebike is perfect, this is a thread dedicated to sharing known issues or problems with electric bikes from Desiknio as well as any help and solutions you know of. Sometimes that means a DIY fix and other times it can mean a recall, software update or part replacement by a dealer.

Please be respectful and constructive with feedback, this is not a space for hate speech. In many cases, representatives from the company will see feedback and use it to improve their product. In the end, the goal is to enjoy riding and help each other go further and be safer.

Shawn Vega Velez
2 months ago

Very interesting bikes. I like it that there isn't a large battery attached to the frame. Bike like these and Coboc are what Ebikes should look like.

Joric78
3 months ago

I love the stealth bikes like this Desiknio, the Orbea Urban F40 or Ampler Curt. I'd like to know what the realistic assisted range is though at the max power setting with these low capacity batteries. I find their claims unbelievable.

Javier Peletier Maura
3 months ago

Nice spanish design and product.
Good and clear presentation Court 👍

Fully Charged Electric Bike Shop
3 months ago

A beautiful eBike! And available to test ride from the Fully Charged showroom 🙌⚡️🚴

Alejandro Gabriel Sánchez
3 months ago

Hi! Can you tell me your top 3 best speed bikes? I want to buy one and I can´t make up my mind. I´m looking for something with throttle, with integrated batery and if it is a good brand, better (e.g. Raleigh, Specialized, Scott, Trek, etc). Thanks in advance for your answer!

Neezy Ko
3 months ago

Would be nice if it used the TDCM motor with the integrated 5 speed hub.

Bob A
3 months ago

I see the simplicity with this bike with the smooth welds and light weight streamline looks, however, is way too over priced for the market which I think is going to hurt the sales of this bike. There are several other bikes on the market that sell for much less at approx 34lbs for less than $1000 US. I like the carbon belt driven system, however, does not set this bike too much apart from the others in the same class. The price needs to be reduced by a large margin to sell these in the market IMHO. I simply would not pay it! Thanks Court!

Flo Mo
3 months ago

So far, I have used 3 accumulator blocks on my electric bicycles. All batteries were changed very fast. A battery has a lifespan of 500 to 1000 charging cycles. What happens with this bike when the battery is exhausted? Who changes the batteries? And how does it work? I have no idea.

ForbinColossus
3 months ago

1ST thought was elegant like the Faraday Porteur. HATE the switch with the double tap fussiness. Better would be a small stud or two for attaching (magnetically?) an Intuvia-style display that you could pop off and pocket, leaving an untelling steel mounting stud. I just won't pay high prices for feareless fixie styles - although I love the looks, the tech needs improvement

Paul Reza
3 months ago

Need to review goat racing bike.

JME WILLIAMS
3 months ago

This bike is amazing!! I hope someone picks up US distribution! My dream bike

Bill Rink
3 months ago

Love how clean and stealth it is

Lynn Recker
3 months ago

Looking forward to that Pinion review.

Seafox0011
3 months ago

Nice thorough review. An interesting hand crafted bike for those city folk commuting to the office and back. What people often don't take into account is that the reduced overall weight gives back more power and range for that smaller hidden battery set. I have a bulky E-MTB with a 511wh 48v cassette driving a hub motor and at best get about 10 miles/16kms at an average 18mph on a single charge. This bike looks like it will do upwards of 4 times that - 45 miles/ 72kms.

Ron OBlack
3 months ago

Very similar to the Orbea Gain D10.

Bob A
3 months ago

I have never heard of the Orbea til now. Very good point! Incredible similarities at much cheaper price point indeed. Much more affordable and more bang for the buck!

Javan Russell
3 months ago

Put your hands on the bars man!! Be careful for Christ sakes! The Ebike community needs you!

Javan Russell
3 months ago

Beautiful bicycle!!!😎👍👍👍😎

Rotormatic
3 months ago

I'm really liking this ultra lightweight e-bike design. I will be keeping an eye on this one.

Hopefully it's the start of a whole new category of commercial e-bike: ultralight "stealth" I would eventually like an ultralight e-bike to complement my other e-bikes. Three e-bikes so far!

Steve Donovan
3 months ago

The simplicity and weight is very appealing especially when nobody would know it was electric. I'd want a rear cassette but that goes against the idea.

Christopher Wain
3 months ago

Don't know what the river is please u Americans have you been walking round with your eyes shut lol