e-Joe Gadis Review

E Joe Gadis Electric Bike Review
E Joe Gadis
E Joe Gadis 350 Watt Geared Hub Motor
E Joe Gadis 48 Volt Samsung Ebike Battery
E Joe Gadis Fixed Backlit Lcd
E Joe Gadis Padded Faux Leather Grips
E Joe Gadis 7 Speed Shimano Tourney Pedal System
E Joe Gadis Aluminum Fenders And Cargo Rack
E Joe Gadis Top Gun Suspension Fork
E Joe Gadis Electric Bike Review
E Joe Gadis
E Joe Gadis 350 Watt Geared Hub Motor
E Joe Gadis 48 Volt Samsung Ebike Battery
E Joe Gadis Fixed Backlit Lcd
E Joe Gadis Padded Faux Leather Grips
E Joe Gadis 7 Speed Shimano Tourney Pedal System
E Joe Gadis Aluminum Fenders And Cargo Rack
E Joe Gadis Top Gun Suspension Fork


  • An active step-thru electric bike with a stiffer frame, excellent weight distribution and decent price point, great for commuters given the rack integration and fenders
  • Available in two color choices (black and vanilla) with matching suspension, clean integrated wires and battery design that's quick to remove, quick release front wheel as well
  • Emphasis on safety with integrated name brand LED Lights, the lights aren’t integrated (running off the main battery) but they work pretty well and the front is adjustable
  • Charging port on battery is near the left crank arm which can be vulnerable, Battery can rattle a bit over bumpy terrain, mechanical disk brakes are good but not great

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Body Position:


Suggested Use:

Urban, Commuting

Electric Bike Class:

Throttle on Demand (Class 2)
Learn more about Ebike classes


1 Year Comprehensive, 30 Day Full Replacement


United States

Model Year:


Bicycle Details

Total Weight:

55 lbs (24.94 kg)

Battery Weight:

8.5 lbs (3.85 kg)

Frame Material:

7020 Aluminum Alloy

Frame Sizes:

18 in (45.72 cm)

Geometry Measurements:

18" Seat Tube, 21" Reach,

Frame Types:


Frame Colors:

Midnight Matte Black, Vanilla Beige

Frame Fork Details:

Top Gun TGS 046SA Suspension with Rebound Adjust

Attachment Points:

Fender Bosses, Rear Rack Bosses

Gearing Details:

7 Speed 1x7 Shimano Tourney, MF-TZ21 Cassette

Shifter Details:

Shimano SIS Index


Aluminum Alloy Crank Arms, 52T Chain Ring


Aluminum Alloy


Quill, Adjustable Angle


Low-Rise, Aluminum Alloy, 25.5" Length

Brake Details:

Tektro Mechanical Disc with 160 mm Rotors, Tektro Dia-Compe Levers with Rubberized Edge and Motor Inhibitors


Padded Faux Leather, Stitched


Selle Royal Royalgel with Accessory Connector

Seat Post:

Aluminum Alloy

Seat Post Length:

300 mm

Seat Post Diameter:

31.6 mm


Power Circle, Double Wall, 36 Hole


Stainless Steel, 13G

Tire Brand:

Kenda, 26" x 1.95"

Wheel Sizes:

26 in (66.04cm)

Tire Details:

40-65 PSI

Tube Details:

Schrader Valve


Aluminum Fenders, Carry Rack with Spring Latch


Locking Removable Battery Pack, 300 lb Max Load

Electronic Details

Motor Nominal Output:

350 watts

Motor Peak Output:

700 watts

Battery Brand:


Battery Voltage:

48 volts

Battery Amp Hours:

11 ah

Battery Watt Hours:

528 wh

Battery Chemistry:


Charge Time:

5 hours

Estimated Min Range:

25 miles (40 km)

Estimated Max Range:

45 miles (72 km)

Display Type:

XT-LCD W108, Fixed Backlit LCD


Speed (mph/kph), Assist Level (0-4), Battery Level (4 Bars), 24 Hour Clock, Trip Meter (Hold + and - For Settings)

Display Accessories:

Independent Button Pad

Drive Mode:

Cadence Sensing Pedal Assist, Trigger Throttle (12 Magnet Pedelec)

Top Speed:

20 mph (32 kph)

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Written Review

The Gadis is a value priced active step-thru from E-Joe, a company that has been selling folding electric bikes and some other city models for the past several years. The first thing that jumped out and caught my attention when I saw it in my friend Sam’s shop in Fullerton, CA was the unique triple-tube frame design. The idea behind this frame is that it’s low-step, meaning it’s easier to step over when mounting and to stabilize when stopped, but that it doesn’t compromise stiffness. By using three tubes (two small ones on top and one half-tube on the bottom) they were able to mount the battery without overbuilding the frame or encountering frame flex. To me, that’s actually a big deal because some other step-thru models put the battery way up high on the rear rack (taking up some of the carrying capacity and creating a crack-the-whip feel). In order to make this work, the battery has been designed to slide out from the side instead of clicking directly down. It’s not the only ebike that offers this design, or even this specific battery pack casing, but it does so for a really good price of ~$1,700. Especially when you consider the custom painted fenders, chain guard, front and rear lights and the upgraded saddle and grips.

Operating the bike is fairly straightforward, you can charge the battery on or off the frame… but be careful if you charge on because the port is very close to the left crank arm which could snag or bend your charger connector. Thankfully. Next you hold the power button on the control ring near the left grip and voila! It comes to life showing your speed, assist level, battery capacity and some other tidbits of information. This display is large and easy to read, it swivels to reduce glare, but it isn’t removable so sunlight could take a tole on the plastic over time or it could get scratched at public racks. The button pad mentioned earlier lets you control the bike and you can use the plus and minus buttons here to navigate between three standard levels of pedal assist. Once you’re up at 3, if you press the power button it will go one level higher and hit four which delivers even more power and zip. You can adjust the units on the display (mph to km/h) and some other settings like top speed, screen brightness and clock by holding plus and minus simultaneously for a few seconds. You can hold the plus button to turn on backlighting and hold down to initiate walk mode (so the bike will slowly move itself forward while you walk next to it). It’s an average display as far as these things go, but it’s nice that it’s included at this price because some other ebikes just offer a limited LED readout showing battery and assist only…

This e-bike isn’t especially light but it’s also not heavy or awkward (again thanks to the battery position and compact hub motor). The drivetrain is very basic with Shimano Tourney components but you do get seven speeds which is great for neighborhood and basic urban commuting. I actually think the bike is setup very well to be a commuter because of the rack (which includes pannier blockers and can accommodate 50+ lbs). Having a suspension fork up front really takes the edge off of cracks in the street and potholes and the name brand gel saddle completes the feel. This is the kind of bike that rides well and has some nice creature comforts but isn’t so expensive and nice that I’d be afraid to actually use it. And given the massive battery size which offers 48 volts of power and 11 amp hours of capacity you should have no problem getting 25+ miles, even if you only use the throttle. In my opinion, just having a throttle is a hug win, and this one works in level zero as “throttle only” or as an override for more power during any of the assist levels. One area the bike might be too good is with power and zip. If you don’t want to go so fast you can turn down the top speed in the display settings described earlier and shown on video.

At the end of the day, even with the adjustable angle stem and comfort touch points, this is still meant to be capable of active riding and that’s where the stiffer frame and flatter bar really shine. You get mid-grade mechanical disc brakes that will stop well even in wet conditions and narrower hybrid tires for efficient rolling performance. It’s great that the bike comes in two color schemes (kind of his and hers design) and the black color really hides the battery and cables but might not be as visible from the side if it’s dark. In any case, having lights that come preinstalled is such a great upgrade, even if they aren’t running off the main pack… just remember to turn them off after your rides is over. With the rack loaded, it’s so nice to not have to swing your leg around and accidentally bonk your leg, being able to step-thru is convenient but you don’t lose the performance with this bike. It’s a solid choice at a decent price. Big thanks to Bulls for partnering with me for this review.




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Gerry Lamb
11 months ago

Just a question. How do you think this will do on steeper hills, at level 4 assistance? In general?

Court Rye
11 months ago

Hi Gerry! It depends on your weight and willingness to pedal along. Hub motors aren’t as capable as mid-motors where you can shift gears down to help. The key for any system is to generate some momentum going into a hill and then maintain it. The e-Joe Gadis is going to be easier to pedal up a hill with assist than an unpowered bicycle but I wouldn’t expect the bike to do all of the work… just a good portion or some depending on how steep the hill is ;)

Elizabeth Peltz
5 months ago


I purchased an E-Joe 2016 GADIS electric bike at the beginning of July 2017, and this review is a summary of my experience with it.

It seemed like a lovely bike, and when it was working well, it was. For the first two weeks it went all as advertised. Then the noises started.

If you want a bike people can hear two blocks away, the clunks and creaks every time you pedal, then this is the bike for you. It has a lovely manufacturer defect that makes the pedal assembly grind against itself, creating every noise you didn’t ever want to hear coming from your brand new bike. And I guarantee you will make friends with your dealer as you go see them every two weeks in a vain attempt to fix an unfixable issue. Thank goodness for that warranty. It ensures you will have free service for a whole year before you are left on your own with a bike that is louder then a thirty year old rocking chair.

Just to make this clear, very unimpressed with this brand. I do not recommend. Buyer beware.


Court Rye
5 months ago

Hi Beth! That’s such a bummer, thanks for sharing your experience and I am sorry that my reviews of brand new ebikes don’t highlight or address this sort of issue. I’m thankful that you took the time to share and hope that your dealer can continue to help you… and that you can still enjoy the bike, even with the extra noise :(


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1 month ago

Last August my wife had a very serious accident on her 2015 E-JOE EPIK SE, on a downhill at 29mph, common in the Boulder area. Her steering started to wobble uncontrollably and caused her to fall. She had originally bought it on 6/30/15 in Denver. “Originally” because we had returned the first E-JOE EPIK SE because of the flimsy and inadequate brakes and a very rough headset, both of which we considered serious safety problems. The owner offered us an identical brand-new bike in exchange. We should have rejected this second bike, especially after we found that it, too, had the same flaws as the first bike, but having always put safety first, we wanted to make sure that the bike would be safe to ride and had an experienced local Boulder mechanic replace both brakes and headset on 1/20/16. No motor vehicle was involved; the weather was fine. The day before we had ridden to Erie over similar hills. The luggage rack carried a wire basket, a 5-lb Oxygen tank, and panniers. She received the 2nd bike on 9/15/15 and logged 925 miles by 8/31/17. We had our mechanic check the bike: he, like another shop later, found no “smoking gun” but did note that the stem quick-release folding mechanism was not quite tight, among other things (see his findings at
https://electricbikereview.com/forum/threads/known-issues-problems-with-evelo-products-help-solutions-fixes.13136/ , which he posted on the EVELO forum under https://electricbikereview.com/forum/members/freedombikes.1909/, https://electricbikereview.com/forum/threads/known-issues-problems-with-evelo-products-help-solutions-fixes.13136/#post-122497 instead of the E-JOE forum).
After FreedomBikes’ findings, the other shop also commented that perhaps this bike should not be ridden at over 20 mph, and that the bike’s configuration, with very high handle bars, may impair the bike’s balance and stability. Additional research suggests that incorrect weight distribution could be a factor, i.e. that this bike, with most of the weight in back (see above), was perhaps back-heavy, with insufficient weight in front which would make the bike harder to control.
In all, there is also evidence of poor manufacturing and assembly of bike components
(see https://electricbikereview.com/forum/threads/epik-se-steering-stem-keeps-coming-loose.12950/;
Quick Release Latch Issue;
My biggest gripe with the bike is the brakes (Gurt: My 2015 Epik SE)),
and possibly poor design:
very high handlebars and upright position, affecting balance, stability, turning.
Both are folding bikes; both have 20-inch wheels; they have a
similar, but not identical geometry. The steering on the two
bikes is totally different and likely contributes to the different
weight distribution on the bikes. The BF’s frame is somewhat
closer to the ground, with a lower center of gravity.
I have ridden BFs many years and miles, without a problem.

This 2015 E-JOE EPIK SE is not a safe bike for all speeds and conditions—buyer beware!

Mark Peralta
2 months ago

-Bulls Outlaw
-The new generation Easy Motion hub drives
-Juicebikes CCS - Torah names his power assist as "dynamic assist", no jerky on-off propulsion.
-Magnum- some riders report jerky on-off feel at low speeds.

2 months ago

I recently test rode some hub drives .
I ride for transport on paved roads , and can see their advantage .
But the ones I rode were surgey and laggy .
One was an 8fun on an e-Joe , the other was an Easy Motion City Pro .
I tried some Stromer in the past and no hub issue for me there .
So , what are some other top brands , or major brands to try ?

3 months ago

My wife is 5 foot and I am 6 ft tall, so we need a bike that will accommodate our different sizes. We currently have Benelli classicas which I really like other than it can't go off road at all and it doesn't fold. So far I've considered the G-bike, the vello Rocky Mountain and the e-joe spik. We would like all features fenders, carrier, lights, Bells, disc brakes, kick stand, travel suitcase, everything we need to be able to ride and fly. I would appreciate your best recommendation?

3 months ago

Wow, you picked some real interesting choices! Are you even aware that GenZ is Manhindra (sp) one of the largest manufacturers of heavy equipment and automobiles in the world. Don't think they are going anywhere.
Bulls is one of the real success stories of Ebikes, Specialized(!), Scott (HUGE in Europe), Stromer!!, Haibike!!!!!!!!!!! LOL, you're killing me here. You do realize you've listed all of the biggest, most successful Ebike companies out there as going to be gone............... Trek?? If it doens't go well? ALL the "New" big boys have been selling Ebikes in other countries for YEARS, including Trek. Scott and others have said they may be Ebike ONLY in the future. Sales are PROPPING UP REGULAR BIKE COMPANIES....
Flip your idea 180 degrees and You've made a pretty good list of the companies that will be kicking ass with Ebikes in the next 10 years.

86 and still kicking
4 months ago

Serious disagreement with the assumptions and the list. Direct to consumer, online, and mobile delivery are the future of the market. Pedego is a tiny little brand that just happens to be the largest seller of eBikes in the United States. Companies like Stromer, Reise and Muller, KTM and others have very marginal operations in North America. Genze is a tiny little international company that happens to be larger than just about all the vendors combined.

Mike's E-Bikes
4 months ago

Hard to predict what brands will stick around, but the brands that survive will have the best business model, and not necessarily the best product.

What will surprise people the most, is that many brands that SEEM to have popularity now, are most likely NOT the ones that will survive. Precisely because their business models don't allow dealers to make enough to even live on, or are just poor, or they are naively going direct to market on-line.

These brands in no particular order that will most likely struggle:
Van Moof

There's at least 50 more, than aren't worth even mentioning.

Survivors could be, IF they even decide to keep doing e-bikes:
Reise & Muller
Trek (though the name may stay, they may dump ebikes if it doesn't go well)

Some names may survive and get bought out, if they have some sort of unique niche they've captured.

None of the above matters anyway, as I predict hundreds more new names will be forthcoming, until the market gets this right. Its WAY too early to speculate on any of this, but it might be interesting to look back in 5 years to see if any of this was right, or wrong.

4 months ago

Looks good, but should one wear white after Labor Day?;)

4 months ago

2017 E-Joe Koda

4 months ago

I have an E-Joe Koda that has I believe non labeled Zoom 875 hydraulic brakes with electric cutoff. They kind of suck. I bought the bike second hand and the brakes had no pressure and barely stopped the bike. I figured they just needed a rebleed. After bleeding the fronts they worked great. I rebled the rear 3 times and never got them working well. Since then the front brakes still work, but are seeping fluid from where the lever presses in to engage the brake.

I think I want to just replace the brake system. What I'm looking at are these:


What I would like to know before ordering them is, will the electric cut off cables fit in the same threaded hole? The E joe came with quick connect cords that thread into the brake lever. I would only want to order these if that is a "standard" size. I don't really want to cut and splice on them. The cables that came with the bike are great looking and I don't want to hack them up. Any idea?

5 months ago

That's so wonderful! I was debating between the the Urban, e-Joe Epik SE 2017 500 watt 48v, and the Magnum Premium. As much as I love the mag wheels, I'm thinking of getting those LED lights on the wheels and they usually only fit normal spokes. And I got a decent deal on the Epik SE for ~$1,300 free shipping and I thought that was close enough to choose it over the Urban @ $1,129 for US shipping. And way cheaper than the $1,899 that the Magnum Premium was going for. I was hoping Magnum was going to update the Premium at Interbike this year (since they released it at Interbike 2016 with no updates since then) and was very disappointed that they did not update anything on the Premium.

10 months ago

Hi. I'm very interested in this bike but the nearest dealer is 36 miles from my home in the suburbs of Los Angeles. If you own an e-Joe Gadis and live somewhat near the 818 and are willing to let me take the bike for a test ride I would gratefully appreciate it.


1 year ago

I have not been able to find tires for use on the 20mm Alex rims from the volton.

The three over bikes I'm lurking over are the Gadis from ejoe and the ui5 from magnum. The last is the rook from surface604.

I've got a surface dealer in my town and will call tomorrow about potential to test ride however I'm not sure if they have the rook in store.

But how does someone figure out what size rims these companies are using?

1 year ago

--- Alex M said ---
My beef with bikes like Gadis is - getting an affordable bike and being stuck with expensive proprietary battery doesn't make sense. If you look at the video, the hollow "nest" in downtube is an odd octagon shape.

I agree that proprietary battery shapes are to be avoided.

However, I don't know for certain, but it certainly looks like all the following bikes use the same battery holder and battery;
- eJoe Gadis
- Magnum Mi5
- Juiced CrossCurrent
- Surface604 Rook and Colt
- others???

My guess is that there is one main supplier in China who is tooled for this configuration and it is being used by lots of brands due to
- economies of scale
- good weight distribution
- flexibility in frame style
- flexibility in battery pack size

Oddly enough, all these bikes are close to fitting my preferences for an e-bike.

Alex M
1 year ago

Hey Amanda, look up EG Maui 500 EX. About same price, step-through, tires 2-something inches. Low 16" frame size.

My beef with bikes like Gadis is - getting an affordable bike and being stuck with expensive proprietary battery doesn't make sense. If you look at the video, the hollow "nest" in downtube is an odd octagon shape. OTH, on EG Maui you can attach any shape battery because the mounting brackets with terminals are simply bolted onto the tube. What they have on EG is called "dolphin pack" or "shark pack", you can get a decent Panasonic, Sony, Samsung etc for less than $400 on Aliexpress or Ebay, 48*12 AH or even 48*15. Can be any shape, dolphin pack, or "bottle", or whatever. Or any battery from a local bike store, as long as it some known brand and is cheaper than your "original", shape won't matter, they can sell it with proper mounting brackets/terminals. Just my 2 cents.

Freezing temps isn't good for Li battery. It will have less capacity in cold, this you can't help. You will have to remove it from the frame every time and keep indoors when not in use. Tarp would protect from direct rain, not from condensation, but those contacts are usually a better quality alloy, won't corrode easily. Electrician's grease on contacts should help.

1 year ago

I would probably want something with chubbier tires, not sure if I'd commit to fat ones. It's a bike for all seasons, and I wouldn't be riding in heavy snow. More icy and light compacted snow that's been tossed by city plows from the sidewalk.

I like the look of your suggestion, anyone have tips on how to protect where a battery connects to the bike from weather and cold?

Any other solid bikes to recommend? The Gadis Court recently reviewed is gorgeous but once the battery is pulled out I'd be concerned about damage. The folding EJoe Epic is a cutie but the lower the step thru the better. I'm five four at the max.

Wilton M
11 months ago

your friend Sam is a big guy like myself he said in another video he's over 6 foot 5 like me does this bike fit him? I'm thinking of buying one ?

Sue Moore
12 months ago

Nice. On my wish list! Would a basket on the front mess up the wires? Does this fold?

Aaron ___
1 year ago

With the year wrapping up, can you do a video of what you would and wouldn't buy for 2016? You've done so many reviews, and that's great but I can't watch them all.

Aaron ___
1 year ago

I see you have top rated bikes on your site, here: https://electricbikereview.com/best-electric-bikes/

George Sears
1 year ago

Like that frame. That's the way to do a step through. Sam is great. Not sure why it isn't easier to swap a throttle on a bike, like a twist for a thumb. Not sure why it would be necessary to replace the bike. The adjustable stem is good, but a lot of people find that the grips that are angled back relieve stress. I can't ride the straight across bar any more. I always wonder on a production bike if replacing the bars would be simple. I'm surprised that things like type of throttle and type of bar aren't options.

The debate about throttles has gotten a little silly, but most people would probably want a pedal assist for cruising and a throttle for starting or climbing, special circumstances. They could make better throttles, more programmable throttles, and more programmable pedal assist systems.

Anyway, nice bike.

joes joey
1 year ago

great bike!~!

1 year ago

nice commuter bike and a good price too

1 year ago

That's POLY, she's an ace little cat, quite a character too :)
( I'm a 3d artist so name is from "polygons" what we make models with- hence - poly :)

1 year ago

Not bad right?! The black one looks nice because the cables and battery blend in perfectly but I still like the lighter color personally. By the way, what's your cat's name!

Thereal Traumatize
1 year ago


Qunyi Ma
1 year ago

500 w also can go to the coast, you can see this one. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Addmotor-20in-Folding-E-Bike-Cycling-Electric-Bicycle-500W-48V-11AH-Matte-Black-/141974559507 now $1299

1 year ago

Cool, I'll keep an eye out for that one! Thanks for the heads up :)

1 year ago

Very informative ... Can you Pleeeeeeassssssse review Haibike Urban Plus 2017 please please please

1 year ago

I'm hoping to, recently reviewed the 2016 Urban (I think?) and it was awesome... will post it soon hopefully :)

Gordon Woodroffe
1 year ago

solid rubber tires for my mounting bike need 😈😈😈😈😨😨😨😢

Gordon Woodroffe
1 year ago

+ElectricBikeReview.com I have seen some for mountain bikes to 😁😂😈😨😯😦😱😰

1 year ago

Hey Gordon! I've seen a few companies going for solid tires in recent months including Specialized! I think we'll see more of this type of technology in the future. Not sure about fat tires unless they design some kind of light weight foam but the ones I've seen are medium width hybrid for road or commuter bikes at 26" and 28" 700c

Amanda Creates
1 year ago

I like it! I always look forward to reviews of step through bikes for potentially shorter commuters. the bulls sturmvogel was gorgeous but I felt like for the price it could have been feature rich like this bike which is a steal

1 year ago

Hey Amanda! Good points, it's neat to get your feedback from following along with recent reviews :D The Sturmvogel and I like the Brose drive system but depending on your needs, it's overkill. Sometimes a value priced bike is actually more useful to me because it doesn't make me stress out as much locking it at rack or seeing that it got a scratch... like having a Honda Civic vs. a Ferrari ;)