Haibike SDURO ALLMTN Plus Review

Haibike Sduro Allmtn Plus Electric Bike Review
Haibike Sduro Allmtn Plus
Haibike Sduro Allmtn Plus Yamaha Mid Drive Ebike Motor
Haibike Sduro Allmtn Plus Yamaha Battery 36v 11ah
Haibike Sduro Allmtn Plus Removable Lcd Display Panel Yamaha
Haibike Sduro Allmtn Plus Rockshox Lyrik Air Suspension Fork
Haibike Sduro Allmtn Plus Magura Mt5 Hydraulic Disc Brakes 203 Mm
Haibike Sduro Allmtn Plus Shimano Deore Xt Derailleur 10 Sprocket Cassette
Haibike Sduro Allmtn Plus Two Chainrings Shimano Deore Xt
Haibike Sduro Allmtn Plus 150 Mm Rockshox Monarch Rt
Haibike Sduro Allmtn Plus Electric Bike Review
Haibike Sduro Allmtn Plus
Haibike Sduro Allmtn Plus Yamaha Mid Drive Ebike Motor
Haibike Sduro Allmtn Plus Yamaha Battery 36v 11ah
Haibike Sduro Allmtn Plus Removable Lcd Display Panel Yamaha
Haibike Sduro Allmtn Plus Rockshox Lyrik Air Suspension Fork
Haibike Sduro Allmtn Plus Magura Mt5 Hydraulic Disc Brakes 203 Mm
Haibike Sduro Allmtn Plus Shimano Deore Xt Derailleur 10 Sprocket Cassette
Haibike Sduro Allmtn Plus Two Chainrings Shimano Deore Xt
Haibike Sduro Allmtn Plus 150 Mm Rockshox Monarch Rt


  • A beautiful and capable all mountain style ebike with premium components from Schwalbe, Shimano, Magura and RockShox, the frame, fork and saddle are paint matched
  • The drive system is surprisingly powerful, delivering 80 Newton meters of peak torque output, it is also one of the quieter mid-drive systems and you get a wider range of gears (20 in this case)
  • Available in four frame sizes, adjustable suspension, sturdy thru-axles and quick release on both wheels, the frame is purpose-built with internal routing for all wires and cables including the dropper seat post
  • You pay more for the premium parts, the charger is bulky and heavy, I find that the motor has a limited RPM range which requires frequent shifting to achieve the maximum 20 mph top speed and there is no shift sensing protection system

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Body Position:


Suggested Use:

Trail, Mountain

Electric Bike Class:

Pedal Assist (Class 1)
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2 Year Motor and Battery, 5 Year Frame


United States, Europe

Model Year:


Bicycle Details

Total Weight:

53.2 lbs (24.13 kg)

Battery Weight:

6.5 lbs (2.94 kg)

Motor Weight:

7.6 lbs (3.44 kg)

Frame Material:

Hydroformed Aluminum Alloy 6061

Frame Sizes:

15.75 in (40 cm)17.32 in (43.99 cm)18.9 in (48 cm)20.47 in (51.99 cm)

Geometry Measurements:

32.5" Standover Height

Frame Types:


Frame Colors:

Pearlescent White with Black and Yellow Accents

Frame Fork Details:

RockShox Lyrik Air Suspension with Rebound Adjust, Compression and 150 mm Travel, 15 mm Thru Axle

Frame Rear Details:

RockShox Monarch RT Air Shock with Rebound Clicker, 142 / 12 mm Thru Axle

Gearing Details:

20 Speed 2x10 Shimano Deore XT , 11-36T

Shifter Details:

Shimano Deore XT Triggers on Left and Right


FSA CK-745 Cranks, FSA X-10 Chainring, 32/42T


XLC Freeride, Plastic Platform with Alloy Pins


FSA No. 57, A-Head, Semi-Integrated, Tapered


Xduro Aluminium, A-Head


Sduro Lowriser Aluminum, 31" Length

Brake Details:

Magura MT5 Hydraulic Disc with 203 mm Rotor in Front and 180 mm Rotor in Back, Magura MT-5 Levers


XLC Ergo Sport, Rubber, Lock On


Selle Royal Sirio

Seat Post:

XLC Pro, Remote Drop, Aluminum Alloy

Seat Post Length:

300 mm

Seat Post Diameter:

31.6 mm


Alexrims, Alloy-Double Wall


Stainless Steel 14G, Black

Tire Brand:

Schwalbe Nobby Nic Performance, 3"

Wheel Sizes:

27.5 in (69.85cm)

Tire Details:

Foldable, EVO, Tubeless Easy Snakeskin, Trail Star 3, 15-35 PSI

Tube Details:



Neoprene Slap Guard


Locking Removable Battery Pack, Quick Release Wheels and Seat Tube, Cable Inlets, Replaceable Plastic Skid Plate, Gravity Casting Motor Mount Interface with CNC Milled Connection and Bearing Seat Points, Zero Cadence Assist

Electronic Details

Motor Brand:


Motor Type:

Mid-Mounted Geared Motor
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Motor Nominal Output:

250 watts

Motor Peak Output:

500 watts

Motor Torque:

80 Newton meters

Battery Brand:


Battery Voltage:

36 volts

Battery Amp Hours:

11 ah

Battery Watt Hours:

396 wh

Battery Chemistry:


Charge Time:

4.5 hours

Estimated Min Range:

25 miles (40 km)

Estimated Max Range:

60 miles (97 km)

Display Type:

Removable, Backlit LCD Console


Trip Distance, Total Distance, Current Time, Trip Time, Maximum Speed, Average Speed, Current Speed, Charge Level (10 Bars), Range, Cadence, Assist Level (Off, Eco+, Eco, Std, High)

Display Accessories:

Independent Button Pad

Drive Mode:

Advanced Pedal Assist (Cadence and Torque, Eco+: 50%, Eco: 100%, Std: 180%, High: 280%)

Top Speed:

20 mph (32 kph)

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Written Review

Haibike makes beautiful, purpose built electric bikes that tend to cost more but deliver premium components and drive systems. The SDURO line runs on Yamaha mid-drive motors that can accommodate multiple chainrings, two in this case, providing a wider range of gears. Given the all-mountain design, with longer travel suspension and aggressive trail/mountain geometry, those gears come in handy for climbing and reaching the top assisted speed of 20 mph. Perhaps my largest complaint with the bike is that you truly need to switch gears in order to reach top speed. Unlike some of the other motors I have tested, the Yamaha drive seems to have a limited RPM range. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing as there are plenty of riders I’ve met with who love the design. And Yamaha celebrates the zero-cadence start feature of their motors (basically, they are supposed to start faster with electric-assist from standstill vs. making you slog through using your legs). This is a Class 1 electric bike meaning there is no throttle and that makes it permissible on the largest number of trails. It worked great for me in softer sandy terrain at low PSI and I enjoyed the comfort of the plus sized 3″ tires combined with 150 mm travel air suspension by RockShox. You end up with a tire circumference close to 29″ with these larger tires and that improves rolling momentum and gap spanning while reducing deflection off rocks and other obstacles. In short, this is an electric bike that is easy to work on, balanced and stable to ride, relatively lightweight but capable of steep climbs and longer range if ridden properly. There is no shift sensing technology as you’d find with Bosch or Impulse but the price is slightly lower and with a bit of practice you can shift without issue.

Driving the bike is a compact, relatively quiet internally geared mid drive motor from Yamaha. It interfaces with the frame beautifully and does not protrude as much to the sides or down as some other centerdrive systems. Despite a modest 250 watt nominal rating, you get 80 Newton meters of torque which has been plenty to get me up even the steepest climbs, while pedaling in low gears, to the point where the tire would lose traction but the motor would still be trying to go. As a lighter weight guy, weighing about 135 lbs, that might not impress you… but the owner of the Electric Bicycle Center in Fullerton, Sam Townsend, was using this as a demo and reported excellent performance even for his 250 lb body weight. I love that the bike comes in four frame sizes and that the battery design is optimized to slide out from the side vs. pop up because it results in a lower top tube and lower stand over height. It all works to keep weight low and center on the frame and that makes handling easier.

The battery pack itself offers 36 volts and 11 amp hours which is just a touch above average… but ver capable given the way it operates. You can charge it on or off the frame but the plug is an insert, twist and lock style which means it could get broken off, bent or tip the bike if tripped over. Many other premium e-bikes have been opting for the EnergyBus Rosenberger standard in recent years because it pops out easily in these situations without causing harm. The charger itself is kind of large and heavy so I’d be less excited to toss it in my backpack and there are no rack, fender or bottle cage bosses on the ALLMTN Plus so you literally have to wear a hydration pack or backpack to bring gear along. I understand why this is the case given the two longer travel suspension elements and battery but it does come at a cost and some other electric mountain bikes like the Specialized Turbo Levo FSR have made it all fit, even with full suspension and at the same price point. I do appreciate the charge indicator on the battery pack and the way it powers a Micro USB port on the button pad (which is mounted conveniently near the left grip).

Operating this and other Yamaha powered electric bikes from Haibike is fairly straight forward. The All Mountain Plus model comes with an upgraded display panel LCD that shows ride stats, speed and battery charge level. I LOVE that you get 10 tics on the battery info graphic as well as a percentage indicator because it helps you plan rides more effectively. As fun as this ebike is, I still wouldn’t want to run out of battery and have to climb long distances with its ~52 pound weight. To turn it on you simply mount the charged battery then press a power button on the top edge of the button pad. This pad is easy to reach and memorize so you won’t always have to look down when riding. The buttons seem well sealed against water and the pad itself is relatively compact. The display however, is large, making it easy to see but also a bit vulnerable. For this reason, it’s great that they made it removable. Whether you’re stopping for lunch or bombing a large difficult section, being able to take the display off and store it safely could be a big deal. The bars however, are low-rise and help to protect it if you do crash but the stem is angled down slightly so the overall geometry works as expected. This thing is built with performance in mind all the way around and aside from the weight, doesn’t feel dumbed down.

There’s a lot to celebrate about the Haibike SDURO ALLMTN Plus, it’s one of the higher-end offerings with a Yamaha drive system that I’ve tested and I think the larger tires make sense for this sort of application. I love the sturdy and stiff thru-axles, the name brand suspension with full adjustability and especially the seat post dropper. Despite having a front and rear derailleur (which means two sets of shifters), the cockpit stays manageable… You can still reach the dropper switch and the button pad and I like the locking grips they chose. For me personally, the lack of shift sensing was easy to overcome but given how powerful the motor is and what I have heard from owners of Bosch systems (which do have shift sensing) I suspect the chain, sprockets, and derailleurs will need more frequent tuning and I’d approach this bike carefully, perhaps riding on paved surfaces, to get used to it all before charging up steep hills. I don’t love having to shift frequently through a range of gears to hit a certain desired speed but in practice, maybe speed isn’t as much of a focus as instant power and smooth quiet delivery? There are a lot of people who like this setup and are happy to save the $500 to $1,000 vs. Bosch. Ultimately, it’s the kind of thing you might want to try by visiting a local shop if you can. For those who have never ridden an electric bike, this will probably feel amazing… but as someone who tests regularly and likes to spin faster (due to a knee sensitivity) this is not my first choice.


  • Plus sized tires (those over 2.8″ wide) have caught on with electric mountain bikes because they can run at lower PSI, provide better traction and cushion and reduce deflection and slipping on rocky surfaces, the SDURO ALLMTN Plus uses higher quality Schwalbe tires that are 3″ wide
  • Available in four frame sizes, this electric bike offers higher performance and fit, I love how the top tube is angled down for lower stand over height (the battery slides out sideways to help achieve this
  • Excellent weight distribution with both the motor and battery mounted towards the center of the frame and kept low
  • The motor is powerful and responsive offering smooth starts and stops (measuring pedal cadence and torque to activate), you get up to 80 Nm of torque which makes it an excellent climber if you shift gears appropriately
  • Beautiful paint and graphics… Haibike has long been a favorite of mine because they just look cool and professional, notice the fork and saddle are tied in, non-ebikers seem more interested because it looks legit
  • Higher-end lightweight air suspension front and rear offers a ton of travel so you can handle a bit of downhill and use it as a true all mountain electric bike
  • The battery can be charged on or off the bike frame and is easy to remove (though it does not rattle or feel loose when mounted to the frame), it weighs about 6.5 lbs so taking it off could make mounting the bike to car racks safer and easier (more space in the triangle)
  • The Yamaha display system is a real standout to me, this is their upgraded model with a larger LCD which is removable and you also get a remote button pad which is easy to reach while riding and it has a Micro USB port built in
  • I’m a big fan of dropper seat posts and love that the ALLMTN Plus comes with one that is preinstalled with internally routed cabling (frankly, most of the cables and wires are internally routed through the custom purpose-built frame)
  • Powerful hydraulic disc brakes from Magura offer the precise, smooth stopping power required for true off-road riding, note the four piston calipers and adjustable reach levers
  • I’m not sure if this is stock but the ebike I got to test had a kickstand that was rear-mounted, keeping it clear of the crank arms… if you do commute with this thing it could be useful
  • Sturdy thru-axles with quick release for easy trail maintenance and quick compact transportability, one big advantage of a mid-drive is that the drivetrain itself is more traditional and easy to work with for regular bike shops
  • The Yamaha motor produces less noise than Bosch and Impulse 3.0 in my opinion, it’s a bit less noticeable (especially when riding on a dirt trail where the tires are already making noise just from rolling)
  • The pedals you get with this Haibike aren’t half bad… I prefer the wide platform with metal pins to smaller cages which seem to get bent, it’s a minor thing but great for test rides at least
  • The cockpit is well thought out, notice the negative angle stem and low-rise bars meant to approximate a flat bar while protecting the display panel in the event of a crash
  • Rather than showing your battery percentage by default, the Yamaha display uses little bars on an info-graphic but I love that they have 10 bars (for 10% steps) vs. many other bikes that show just 5 or 6, if you flip through the readouts you can also get percentage which is fantastic but that same display area can be used for odometer, trip distance etc. so I love that you have a choice


  • Shifting gears is a big part of this electric bike system because it enables the motor to climb or hit higher gears… but I found that the range of motor RPM felt limited so even if I was comfortable pedaling at a higher cadence, I couldn’t achieve top speeds without shifting because the motor would cut out
  • Unlike the Bosch and Impulse drive systems, the Yamaha mid-drive doesn’t offer shift sensing which could lead to chain and sprocket mashing, learn to shift as the motor cuts out (when you stop pedaling momentarily)
  • The battery charger seems unnecessarily large and bulky compared with some of the other options out there, I wish Yamaha would consider the magnetic EnergyBus port vs. their plug which could get bent or knock the bike over if tripped on
  • Haibikes tend to be more expensive and are frequently out of stock in popular sizes, I feel like they spread the line thin with so many options which can be disappointing if you visit a dealer and fall in love with a specific model
  • While it’s neat to have 20 gear combinations, I don’t change the front very often and have become a fan of the lighter, less complex 1×11 setups… especially given the non shift sensing mid-drive motor systems
  • I like how smooth the motor winds down as you stop pedaling but it isn’t as instantaneous as some other systems, notice how it continues rotating a bit during the ride test in the video review above
  • Despite being a more athletic-oriented sporty electric bike, there are no bosses for adding a water bottle, you’ll probably need a hip pack or hydration backpack


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1 year ago

Wait! That’s my bike! I love it! (Both the review and my bike, that is.)

Court got the character of the bike right. I know the bike well, having ridden it for over half a year now. This review gives me confidence in Court’s judgement about ebikes in general.

In relation to the need to shift to keep the motor in its sweet spot, I like the choices Haibike made because it replicates what I had to do with my conventional, non-electric bikes, i.e. I had to shift to keep the cadence and the speed I liked. I recognize that this is probably different for each individual cyclist, so YMMV, and Court clearly has a different preference.

Speaking about personalizing the bike, I felt the handlebars were too wide, so I had the dealer cut one inch off from each side; I got ergonomic handles; better metal pedals; a more comfortable (for me) saddle; mini lights; a bell; replaced the inner tubes with thicker ones after successive punctures. I understand the bike is tubeless-ready, by the way.

The kickstand is not standard. Mine did not come with one. It would be nice to have one.

But most of all I love the stable and fun ride quality, the enormous ability of the bike (far exceeding mine, yet forgiving of my shortcomings), the 3-inch tires, the dropper seatpost (not only for downhills, but also for stopping and starting at red lights, the power of the motor despite its modest rating, and the surprisingly long range. I get 50 miles on HIGH, a mix of flat, steep downhills, and long climbs, with a gentle headwind one way and a gentle tailwind the other. Granted, I only weigh 150 lbs.

The Haibike Sduro AllMtn Plus is highly recommended!

1 year ago

Wonderful comment! I enjoyed reading all of your little tips and upgrades. Glad you felt my review was on point… I do my best to explain what I’m feeling or seeing but not be too judgemental because as you said, each person has a unique riding style :)

Awesome to confirm that the kickstand may not be standard and that yours didn’t come with it. I hadn’t seen it on many other Haibikes before this one (at least on the mountain models). And I also use the seat post dropper sometimes when stopped at signs or red lights, that’s a great point :P

1 year ago

I got this bike few weeks ago. I agree with the review, and I want to add my personal experience with the bike. I usually ride 2016 Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29er. I am All MTN rider and LOVE downhills. I was skeptical about this bike’s ability to go down as well as my Stumpy. However, this bike blew my socks off. The suspension is even better and the handling is absolutely fantastic. The plus tires make a huge difference and there is no downside in getting them, because you can aways mount a smaller size tire if you wanted to. The Motor works great too and this bike opened up for me completely new horizons. There were sections of the trails that I could never climb, this bike made it possible, so I can go to places I’ve never been before and explore new trails. I thought I would never do that, but I am putting my Stumpy on Craigslist. And the biggest tip: right now it’s on sale some places for the 2016 model. I am 5’7″ and I got a 40cm but I would recommend anyone over 5”7 to go with 44.

1 year ago

Great feedback Alex! Glad to hear you’re enjoying the ALLMTN Plus, it’s a nice looking bike and the performance is solid. Great to hear your height and thoughts on sizing too ;)

Bob Armani
12 months ago

Hello Court, Love your videos as usual. I test drove a few ebikes, however, I think my final choices are down to the 2016 AllMtn SL or the Hardseven SL. I am trying to obtain the front chainring specs for each bike, but I am unable to find them? Any idea how large they are and how many teeth?

Reason I ask: I test rode the Tubo Levo Hardtail and found the front chainring (24t) to be too small. When peddling in the highest PAS setting, I did not get enough speed and resistance as I would with a larger front sprocket. A little disappointing at that. I had higher hopes for this bike thinking it would be a prime candidate for purchase. Thanks a lot and regards!

12 months ago

Hi Bob! This particular model (the Haibike SDURO AllMtn Plus) has a double chainring with 32/42T and I usually list this under the “cranks” section of the bicycle details specs. I hope this is what you’re looking for and that it’s available on other reviews. I do not usually comment on e-bikes that I have not tested in person and even then, sometimes the bikes vary over a season and small things change. Perhaps this and other reviews of mine can serve to help you make educated guesses :)

Bob Armani
12 months ago

Hi Court- For some reason, I do not see my first post/ comment and your response posted in this section??

Sorry, I was referring to the All MTN **SL ** front chain ring teeth count and not the plus model in this review. I know the SL has 1 ring up front and not 2 like the plus model has. If you had a link to Haibike 2016 specs that would help too. I tried to go to the Haibike site, but could not find specs on their 2016 bikes.

I also noticed that some dealers are carrying 2017 models using a kind of cheap/cheesy new interface (Mylar board) that is mounted to the left next to the grip. I was a bit disappointed when I tried it at my LBS. The sales person claimed it is to save costs on these new production models. I much prefer the Yamaha center display interface. Thanks again Court!

12 months ago

Right, there are some models using an LED interface without the big LCD and it probably was chosen to save money as the dealers suggested to you. Unfortunately, I don’t have access to any other 2016 specs. I try to review as many models as possible but with so many Haibike variations it’s just not possible at this stage. I wish I could help more, would love to hear back on what you find out or decide on and wish you luck!

Bob Armani
12 months ago

Thanks Court, you are ALWAYS a great help! I will keep you posted on my findings with a new ebike purchase. I have been spending countless hours with research before I pull the trigger on a new ebike. What a great and fun education it has been with new discoveries of these awesome machines. We are all so grateful to have someone like you that has started an awesome community of people!
I am also looking forward to the Ebike Expo coming to town in June for the first time! I cannot wait. My favorite brands are going to be there. Best Regards!

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3 hours ago

I cross shopped these and a CCS. Ended up buying an ST1 on clearance.
I think I would have enjoyed the cobi more than my simple interface I have now, to be honest. Originally the cobi was seen as a potential negative.
The Urban Plus is a solid bike and great deal at it's 1/2 off price.

You should buy from a local dealer as haibike has some language that makes it seem like the warranty is between you and the place you bought it from. Not like a car that you could take to any Manu. dealer for warranty work.

Nova Haibike
9 hours ago

My Haibike has the Schwalbe Energizer Tour Plus tire; basically the e-bike version of the Marathon. I'm actually considering switching to a more flat-prone tire. Why? The bike has a pretty rough ride, and it has a somewhat dead feel to it. I'm certain the weight and stiffness of the tires has a lot to do with my impressions. I know I can easily remove a pound of rotating weight with different tires too.

9 hours ago

I installed these on my double-walled Bontrager rims, and the method used in the video's instructions saved my thumbs.

11 hours ago

hurricane56, Thank you for your thorough response, including the precautions!
As soon as I see canbus I know I'd be in over my head.
I'll stick with a light I can directly connect to the Bosch lighting wires that already exist on my Haibike that came with headlight and taillight, and I'll be able to control from the Nyon or Intuvia. I went with the Light and Motion Nip800 and Tuck on the recommendation of a fellow Forum member.
In the last few years I had a BMW R1200R motorcycle that I tried to change the front and rear bulbs and it caused issues on the Canbus circuit.

11 hours ago

Yes, I was ultimately successful. I'm not completely sure, but the problem that I experienced was likely due to a faulty battery wiring harness. My dealer replaced it under warranty. Once I sorted that issue I just took the precaution to purchase this harness:


I cut the CAN connector off of it, crimped on my own JST connector to carry the power and CAN signal to the m99. One the m99 cable I crimped on the corresponding 4-pin JST connector and it worked. The light has been on my bike for the last 1500 miles without issue. I have a couple of things to note if you're planning this.

1. Wiring harness modification and connector crimping isn't for everyone. I have an engineering background so this wasn't too much of a pain. It's probably a 3 hour job if you have all the tools and know what you're doing.

2. The light will default to DRL mode at the appropriate time, but I can also trigger the low beam light manually if needed. The weird behavior is that the "reset" button on the Intuvia controls this function and not the "light" button.

3. The light itself in low beam and high beam is very well crafted. It projects well and does not blind oncoming drivers. I wish that Supernova would adjust their LEDs to have a slightly warmer color temperature. The cool blueness of the light leads to a slight loss of contrast in fully dark situations.

If I were to do it again, I'd probably stick with a 6v system that is a direct plug and play into the Bosch motor light output port. If you have a 2017 or newer, then you'll have more options as the system will likely be a 12v output at the light port.

Good luck!

Chris Nolte
12 hours ago

You can mount the Pure or the Pure plus with the exsisting leads but the Pro needs to be hardwired into the battery harness

12 hours ago

Hurricane56, were you able to wire the M99 to the leads that came with the light on your Haibike?

18 hours ago

But if it is an original battery, never charged, that is useless too. Seems it runs on the one? Seller said the one never worked. But yes, I would sink mininally 500 for the bike and $600 (confirmed price from Giant) for a battery - $1100 for an 8 year old bike is too much when I can buy a new folding bike (preferred) for the same price or less. As this is a SECOND bike for me for just tooling around my office, I am NOT wanting to sink a lot of $ into this - like I did with the Pedego Stretch which I keep at home.

Ken M
18 hours ago

Rad Power interestingly has ebikes with both geared and direct drive hub motors - maybe the only company that has both which allows for a unique comparison opportunity. I do believe that the result of a comparison will come down to how hilly the environment is where most of the riding / commuting will take place. A geared hub motor will be a bit better on hills (assuming somewhat similar wattage ratings) but the simplicity of a direct drive hub in my mind is preferable when the performance is adequate for where it's going to be used.

I ride about 13 miles each way to work 2-3 days a week in the Denver area (some hills but not really significant), I'm 56 years old, and I really like the performance of the Polaris Diesel (Power in Motion) eBike with the direct drive 750W nominal (900W peak) motor. I have a Haibike Trekking model with a Yamaha PW that is great if I just like to cruise in at slower speeds (the assist thru the drive train just falls off fast due to the gear ratio at higher speeds - the Bosch is less succeptable to this because of the 2.5 X front smaller sprocket speed but still is impacted).

Jeffrios...where are you located? If in the Denver area maybe we should try to hook up and you can take my bikes for a spin. I don't want to plug sales on EBR but I'm working with PIM on an urban commute model eBike with carbon forks, integrated bars/stem, and suspension seat post (like the Canyon / Ergon flexible carbon seatpost - actually very effective at absorbing most road vibrations and smaller impacts). This model will be available last April but I have a prototype in Denver.

Lin B
19 hours ago

You should check out the thread on the Helix (titanium KS bike) on bikeforums.net if you really want some entertainment, lol. Crowdfunding is, as I have learned to avoid a heart attack, something you do and then forget about. I just received a product in the mail I backed 17 months ago!!! Totally forgot about it, lol. Turned out pretty good.

19 hours ago

I've contacted the seller and a local Giant bike shop to see about its availability and if a battery can be found for it.

1 day ago

As @Nova Haibike said...

4 weeks ago

@Fitzy provided the answer above. The Bikespeed RS dongle from Germany overcomes the 20mph limit of the Haibike's governor. I have been using one on my 2016 Haibike Sduro AllMtn Plus for nearly a year, and it works well. It cost about $135 at the time. http://www.bikespeed.de/index_en.html Just make sure you order the appropriate dongle, depending on whether you have a Yamaha, Bosch, or Brose motor.

You may have to change your chainring to achieve 35mph, as @Fitzy also noted.

Unfortunately, I don't think there is a way to add a throttle to Haibikes.

3 months ago

Thank you for the feedback. Only problem is I don't see many 29" fs mountainbikes. Maybe I should look at hardtail trail bikes.

3 months ago

If the 29er felt great go for it. It's very important that a bike fits your body size. A 29'" wheel will go over bumps easier, and the overall ride will be smoother. (And this is coming from someone who rides a Haibike Sduro AllMtn Plus with 27.5" wheels. I do have a non-electric 29er, so I know the difference.)

8 months ago

I second what Chris Nolte said, although some of it requires translation if you're a newbie. "Plus size bikes" are not oversized bikes! Rather, they are bikes whose frames allow using (around) 3-inch-wide tires, i.e. wider than most mountain bikes (around 2.25 inches) and thinner than fat bikes (4 inches wide or more). For me, plus-size tires are the sweet all-terrain tires, allowing you to ride anything from pavement to gravel to sand.

You should ALWAYS get a frame that is the right size for you.

As the owner of a full-suspension Haibike Sduro AllMtn Plus, which uses a mid-drive Yamaha motor, I can tell you that Bosch is not the only good motor around. My bike can climb hills really well, and it matches my 60-90 rpm cadence. If, however, you're a high cadence rider you would probably be better served by Bosch. Court Rye, the owner of this site, has noted in his reviews that Yamaha motors' power output goes down at high cadence whereas Bosch motors' power band continues on. However, bikes with Yamaha motors are substantially less expensive than those with Bosch motors, at least in the Haibike line.

If you need to have a rack to take things with you, a hard tail with front suspension might be better. I have yet to find a good rack for my full-suspension, plus-size tire bike, i.e. a rack that attaches to the moving seat stays AND is wide enough to clear the plus-sized tires. (I don't like cantilever racks that attach only to the seat post; they are inherently weak.) But I would definitively recommend a suspension seat post if you get a hardtail.

8 months ago

This is a small issue, but it could lead to an accident if a cable gets tangled with your wheel. I have a Haibike Sduro AllMtn Plus. I've ridden it about a year and 1600 miles, mostly pavement, some dirt, nothing extreme. Overall a great bike!

This is the first issue I've had so far: the small, black plastic clip that holds the speed sensor cable secured to the frame fell off during a ride a couple of days ago. Haibike uses the same kind of clip or clamp to secure other cables as well, such as disc brake cables. (I was going to attach photos but I see that pictures have to be hosted by an external server, and I've cancelled all my accounts in photo-hosting sites.) The clips appear to be specific to Haibike. They attach to tiny cradles or bosses in the frame. A neat solution, as long as they don't fall off!

I emailed my dealer, @San Diego Fly Rides, asking whether the clip was readily available and whether its replacement would be covered under warranty. This is their reply:

"Hi... its not covered under warranty as its lost but we'll see if we have one around here otherwise we'd have to order some - will keep you posted, thnx"

I do not follow their reasoning, that because it's "lost" it is no covered under warranty. It fell off during a normal ride, and perhaps it fell off because it was loose or because the design is faulty.

In the meantime I wrapped the cable to the frame with black tape and I am waiting to hear back from @San Diego Fly Rides.

11 months ago

My Bulls...FS3 Plus, rated at 90Nm, has at least as much torque as my 80Nm Yamaha-powered SDURO AllMtn Plus, and both eMTBs climb 20% grade hills with relative ease. The Brose motor's definitely more subtle, with its peak power coming at lower cadence than my Bosch, but I've yet to experience a CX. The Yamaha also seems to peak at a lower cadence than Bosch.

FWIW, I posted about a https://electricbikereview.com/forum/threads/known-issues-problems-with-bulls-products-help-solutions-fixes.13100/#post-105529 I recently had with my Bulls in its first 120 miles or so, which I believe was caused by large chainring to large sprocket cross-chaining. My concern is that, when the chain broke, the Brose motor spun furiously fast, making a horrible, very high-pitched whining sound for several seconds. I've broken a hi-torque ebike chain before (on my 2015 iZiP Sumo), and its much lower-tech TranzX motor shut right off.

The fact that the Brose kept spinning makes me worry about the long-term - it rode fine after we fixed the chain but it was an AWFUL sound! Barney's put in a query with Bulls' Germany HQ because he's never heard of this happening.

bob armani
11 months ago

Glad to see your excitement about your bike. I was considering the same model without the plus tires or the BULLS EVO FS3. I too am so excited about these bikes after long and thought out research reviews. How has your bike been performing? Does it meet your expectations in quality? Do you recommend this bike to others? Thanks a lot and always ride safe! :D

11 months ago

Wheel spokes: I have two 2015 XDURO Haibikes, an FS RX and an rx29. Both had spokes come loose in the first few trail rides; the FS RX's rear wheel wobbled noticeably during its third or fourth ride and I was lucky it could be trued! The first LBS I brought it to thought it was too far gone, but second opinions can be worth a few hundred bucks, minimum...

FWIW, my 2016 SDURO AllMtn Plus has had no such issues, but didn't come with DT Swiss wheels like my XDUROS did. After the above experience, however, I bought a tension meter and now check spoke tension on all my eMTBs regularly. It has proven its worth, as have the few minutes it takes to test the spokes.

11 months ago

@ahkim, if you're 5'-6" you should probably ride a small frame size. I am 5'-6" and I ride a small Haibike Sduro AllMtn Plus (2016). Before buying you should test ride and you MUST get fitted for the proper size.

I would recommend the 3" tire. The fatter the better off-road capability. In 2016 there was a version of the Sduro that came with 3" tires, such as my bike. They may have changed that for 2017.

Regarding Bosch vs Yamaha, both are good. Read Court's reviews of the different Haibikes that use each motor. In general, if you are a high cadence cyclist, go with Bosch. If you are a low to medium cadence cyclist, go with Yamaha (Court points out that the Yamaha motor tends to cut out at high cadence). For me, the Yamaha motor fits my riding style.

1 year ago


After long deliberations, tons of on-line reviews I jumped into the pool and bought SDURO ALLMTN PLUS.
I was a bit worried about the negative tester's comments about Haibike upright geometry, it turned out to be a complete bull. The bike is absolutely fantastic. I climbed 3,000ft and blasted down on a steep and technical trail and the bike performed flawlessly. After completing 2.5hour ride my battery was at 50% and the only thing that went through my mind was, let's do it again :)

Anyone out there have the same bike?

1 year ago

I have the Haibike FullSeven Sduro AllMtn Plus. Similar to Lanerboy's but with a Yamaha motor and 3-inch fatty tires. I really like the plus-sized tires! But I had to replace the tubes with more puncture-resistant ones. In the process I discovered that my bike is tubeless-ready. I may go that route in the future.

Sakeeb Khan
3 weeks ago

5k buy a car lol its just a battery motor and metal lol wtf what a rip off

Jonathan Brazeau
5 months ago

thing is soooo nice. Thanks for the review.

Michael Vaj
7 months ago

Does this ebike fit a 5'4 person?

Cess Outdoors
2 months ago

you got to go and measure your size you might need a 40 or smaller I am 5,8 went with 48 sizes, love my e-bike a bit bigger but still have space under my crotch.

Malcolm Bale
9 months ago

What made you choose Specialized over hiabike? Thing that puts me off Bosch motor on hiabike is the little gear they use above the pedals!!

9 months ago

Great review no nonsense talked just the facts...i was really pushed to go for the Bosch system but like you say this Yamaha is a really good all rounder and glad I did it is really good. And you are totally right the Haibikes just look right. Great review.

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1 year ago


Ed Meyer
1 year ago

Sucks the US wont get the pw-x motor for 2017. I just bought the 6.0 definitely needs to be chiped for more speed!

Victoria Leid
1 year ago

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Finn Wulff Petersen
1 year ago

no LunaCycle BBSHD test?

craig vietor
1 year ago

what Chinese bike is the best?

E°Bike Company Mainz
1 year ago

Great Bike from our partner HAIBIKE ! If you want to have much fun - ride AllMtn :)

1 year ago

Always love your Haibike reviews, Court! I like your comment on EBR about Haibike spreading its model line out too thinly ---- I tried to buy a 2016 Xduro Haibike when they went on sale (marked down as much as $3000. off MSRP), but were sold out on model after model! Crazy and disappointing. This year, Haibike has complicated their model line up EVEN MORE. They are pissing me off with the confusion and poor availability. As a consumer, don't make it so hard for me to buy a product - that tells me a manufacturer just doesn't care about the actual user.

1 year ago

Off-topic, but I hope ebike makers will offer or make it easier to install rear racks - even on full suspension MTBs. I have a feeling that many MTBs do not see downhill trails - but instead see more pavement use. Wearing a backpack while biking sucks- always sweat where the pack is and high center of grav. Aside from Thule's hundred dollar Pack n Pedal Tour Rack, nobody makes 'em.

1 year ago

Yeah... imagine trying to review them all and make sense of it for other people. I feel like my job is to de-complicate things but Haibike is one of the deeper lines and on the one hand, it's cool (especially the multiple sizes) but then frustrating when none are available :/

Florida Scot
1 year ago

I'm interested in this bike & will be using it on private land, does anyone have first hand experience on the best way to derestrict the 20 MPH top speed, dongle kit or other tips ?

G Henrickson
7 months ago

But but but...I see no speed box2 for the Yamaha motor.

Florida Scot
1 year ago

+Ed Meyer Ed, thanks

Ed Meyer
1 year ago

Florida Scot speed box2 brother! brings it up to 60km/h plug in play

Simon Colby
1 year ago

There is a "chip" that you put over your speed sensor that will allow you to get up to about 30mph and is undetectable once you take it off. It's called the "badass chip" which is a stupid name but a great product. Works for Bosch and Yamaha and I've heard broad but have any first hand experience with it.

Florida Scot
1 year ago


1 year ago

I've got over a thousand miles on my Allmountain RC, no problems runs like a champ. Wheelies all the time. Top notch components just like Court stated. Even got removable rear rack with panniers to carry more stuff on longer rides.

1 year ago

ElectricBikeReview.com Yea I got Thule Pack and Pedal rear rack (but can be used as front also). It's super light, mounts without damaging the swing arm and it doesn't interfere with the rear suspension. The panniers attach with ease and you're ready to go. Those guys from Pedelec Adventures used thule's rack for both front and rear. It seemed like it worked out for them also.

1 year ago

Wow! What rear rack did you go with? I like the look of the Thule and how it can work with full suspension but haven't tested one thoroughly: http://amzn.to/2kHf8Sf beam racks can be tough to setup with a dropper seat post (unless you're tall) and seem to get knocked side to side

samuel Townsend
1 year ago

Hey Court we just sold the last one of these that were available new from Haibike last week for $3400 that was the MSRP,s closeout price on this 2016 model such a great E-bike. If someone is looking for one they will have to find one on a dealers showroom. Last years Haibikes are going fast at some awesome price points. For those wondering about the area Court was riding in that's the Fullerton loop and it's a great local trail that is right next to our shop.

1 year ago

Awesome! Thanks for chiming in Sam, I realize this video went out late... I've been trying to mix different brands and styles to keep it interesting. Thanks again for your help :D

1 year ago

I think this is the 2016 model looking at the control cluster on the handlebar as Yamaha has changed that and also added a 500W battery option for 2017 (in UK). great bike i tried a few last year renting them for loops around rutland Water in england.

we rented a mix of haibikes both bosch and yamaha powered and for myself i liked the yamaha more as it felt like it had more grunt and i prefer the lower cadence myself.
However both power options from haibike are excellent and i would recommend anyone looking into haibike to go test ride them both to see which you prefer.

Simon Colby
1 year ago

The 2017 models in the US still use the same controller cluster/display, unfortunately. Same with the pw-x motor. You can get the 500wh battery here though

1 year ago

You're correct, I shot this a while back and was holding it to mix in. Sam commented above and said he still has some good deals on Haibikes from last year. It seems like they have launched later than expected in some cases so I hope this review is still relevant ;)

1 year ago

Sounds like this Yamaha engine was made for me, I love low cadence, now I just need to win the lotto:P

1 year ago

Nice! Yeah, it's funny... A lot of people really love it so I try to present what it's like without adding too much opinion (but I clearly prefer Bosch for the higher cadence). Appreciate your constructive comment and yeah, these ones aren't cheap but they are a touch cheaper than Bosch ;)

1 year ago

Yeah - I bought this bike in January in a black and yellow color mix. It's my dream come true bike, after two other Haibike E-bikes. It's my first fully and after some days experimenting with the suspension setup it drives perfectly. Even without shift sensing, the gears change quickly and smoothly. Just let a little pedal pressure off and everything is ok. What I found interesting, that in Europe where I live, this bike comes with the Rock Shox Yari - not with a Lyric. One of these days the Haibike guys will loose the overview - so much varieties for so many models. I got rid of the plastic pedals right away and replaced them with a pair of solid wide metal flats. Much better.

1 year ago

Awesome, sounds like you're having a blast! Thanks for the tips on pedal assist and bit about Europe vs. America specs. Congrats on getting your dream bike, it's a good one ;)

1 year ago

Excellent cameraman-ship court !. The frontal pedal view was a good angle. The rear view was also very visually affective as well. Do you always shoot these videos independently ? . If you do, then you're the man.

Good job. Keep it up. 😊

1 year ago

Thanks! Yeah, I shoot these with a couple of GoPros and try to get relevant angles. In this case with the fatter tires, soft terrain and full suspension it was cool to see the front and back going :D appreciate your support

Jim Bo
1 year ago

I just got this 2016 ebike model on clearance, and it's awesome (except for the lower-end XLC dropper). I agree that the bulkier, heavier aspect of ebikes can benefit from wider tires. Several 2017 Haibikes come stocked with plus-size tires now.

edgar lowther
10 months ago

Jim Bo m.

1 year ago

I think the variety will keep expanding as long as folks keep buying! Next up: 36ers? http://mbaction.com/uncategorized/black-sheep-36er-test

1 year ago

Hey Jim! Yeah, it seems to be catching on and I agree that for any kind of trail or mountain it makes a lot of sense. even the 2.5" tires on the Stromer bikes (and other city models) adds some cushion. I wonder what they will do when batteries and motors get super light? Perhaps stick with large tires because the efficiency doesn't matter as much when you've got assist?!