Haibike Urban Plus Review

Haibike Urban Plus Electric Bike Review
Haibike Urban Plus
Haibike Urban Plus Tranzx M25 Gts 500 Watt Motor
Haibike Urban Plus 48 Volt 10 2 Ah Custom Battery
Haibike Urban Plus Iphone Cobi Display Setup
Haibike Urban Plus Phone Mount Control Panel Touch Screen Ebike
Haibike Urban Plus Cobi Phone Mount Button Pad
Haibike Urban Plus Cobi Electric Bike Control Pad
Haibike Urban Plus Cobi Headlight
Haibike Urban Plus Rigid Alloy Fork Schwalbe Super Moto X Reflective Tires
Haibike Urban Plus Shimano Deore Xt 10 Speed
Haibike Urban Plus Xlc Carrymore Rack Atran Velo Moove Kickstand
Haibike Urban Plus Busch Muller Toplight Line E Backlight
Haibike Urban Plus 48 Tooth Chainring With Alloy Guide
Haibike Urban Plus Portable Electric Bike Charger
Haibike Urban Plus 2 Amp Ebike Charger Tranzx
Haibike Urban Plus Stock White
Haibike Urban Plus Electric Bike Review
Haibike Urban Plus
Haibike Urban Plus Tranzx M25 Gts 500 Watt Motor
Haibike Urban Plus 48 Volt 10 2 Ah Custom Battery
Haibike Urban Plus Iphone Cobi Display Setup
Haibike Urban Plus Phone Mount Control Panel Touch Screen Ebike
Haibike Urban Plus Cobi Phone Mount Button Pad
Haibike Urban Plus Cobi Electric Bike Control Pad
Haibike Urban Plus Cobi Headlight
Haibike Urban Plus Rigid Alloy Fork Schwalbe Super Moto X Reflective Tires
Haibike Urban Plus Shimano Deore Xt 10 Speed
Haibike Urban Plus Xlc Carrymore Rack Atran Velo Moove Kickstand
Haibike Urban Plus Busch Muller Toplight Line E Backlight
Haibike Urban Plus 48 Tooth Chainring With Alloy Guide
Haibike Urban Plus Portable Electric Bike Charger
Haibike Urban Plus 2 Amp Ebike Charger Tranzx
Haibike Urban Plus Stock White

Summary

  • A sporty, sturdily built, urban electric bike that's capable of 28 mph top speeds (Class 3) to cut down on commute times, thru-axles, large hydraulic disc brakes, stiff frame
  • Available in three sizes to improve fit and comfort as well as two color schemes, the white would keep you visible and compliment the reflective tires and integrated front and rear LED lights
  • Excellent utility here with tough plastic fenders and a sturdy rear rack, good weight distribution with the mid-motor and battery positioned low and center, both are nearly hidden on the frame
  • The TranzX motor isn't quite as responsive as premium competitors (Bosch, Yamaha, Brose, Shimano) but was quiet and offered shift detection, the fat tires reduce some vibration and add a bit of comfort but this is still a pretty stiff ride

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Introduction

Make:

Haibike

Model:

Urban Plus

Price:

$3,599

Body Position:

Forward, Forward Aggressive

Suggested Use:

Urban, Commuting, Road

Electric Bike Class:

Speed Pedalec (Class 3)
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Warranty:

2 Year Motor and Battery, 5 Year Frame

Availability:

United States, Canada, Germany, Europe

Model Year:

2018

Bicycle Details

Total Weight:

59.2 lbs (26.85 kg)

Battery Weight:

5.6 lbs (2.54 kg)

Motor Weight:

8.6 lbs (3.9 kg)

Frame Material:

6061 Aluminum Alloy, Hydroformed

Frame Sizes:

16.92 in (42.97 cm)18.89 in (47.98 cm)20.86 in (52.98 cm)

Geometry Measurements:

Medium 48 cm: 19" Seat Tube, 22" Reach, 30" Stand Over Height, 27.5" Width, 73" Length

Frame Types:

High-Step

Frame Colors:

Matte Titan Anthracite Grey, Metallic White with Silver Accents

Frame Fork Details:

Rigid Alloy, 100 mm Hub Spacing, 15 mm Thru-Axle with Quick Release

Frame Rear Details:

135 mm Hub Spacing, 12 mm Thru-Axle with Quick Release

Attachment Points:

Rear Rack Bosses, Fender Bosses

Gearing Details:

10 Speed 1x10 Shimano Shimano Deore XT T8000 Derailleur, Shimano HG50 Cassette 11-36 Tooth

Shifter Details:

Shimano Deore M610 Rapidfire Triggers on Right (Two-Way High Lever, Three-Shift Low Lever)

Cranks:

Lasko, Forged Alloy Crank Arms, 170 mm Length, 48 Tooth Chainring with Alloy Guide

Pedals:

VP Alloy Platform, Black

Headset:

VP J305AC, Integrated, Threadless Internal Cups, Sealed Bearing, Tapered 1-1/8" to 1-/2"

Stem:

Alloy, 7° Rise, 31.8 mm Clamp Diameter, One 30 mm Spacer, Three 10 mm Spacers

Handlebar:

Alloy, Low Rise, 690 mm Length, Black

Brake Details:

Tektro Dorado HD-E715 Hydraulic Disc, 203 mm Front Rotor and 180 mm Back Rotor, Dual Piston Calipers, Four-Finger Tektro Dorado HD-E715 Levers with Brake Light Activation

Grips:

XLC Ergo Sport, Ergonomic, Rubber, Locking

Saddle:

Haibike Components TheSaddle MTB +++ by Velo

Seat Post:

JD Brand, Aluminum Alloy

Seat Post Length:

350 mm

Seat Post Diameter:

31.6 mm

Rims:

Weinmann XM 25, Alloy, Double Wall Hollow, Reinforcement Eyelets, 32 Hole, Black (584x20.5)

Spokes:

Stainless Steel, 13 Gauge, Black with Adjustable Nipples

Tire Brand:

Schwalbe Super Moto-X, 27.5" x 2.4" (62-584)

Wheel Sizes:

27.5 in (69.85cm)

Tire Details:

30 to 55 PSI, 2.0 to 4.0 BAR, Performance GreenGuard, Reflective Sidewall Stripe

Tube Details:

Schrader Valve

Accessories:

Clear Sticker Slap Guard, SKS Chromoplastic Fenders (66 mm Width, Black), XLC Carrymore Alloy Rack with Spring Latch (25 kg 55 lb Max Weight), Atran Velo Moove Kickstand, COBI Headlight (3 Modes), Busch & Müller Toplight Line E Backlight, COBI Electronic Bell, Flick Bell on Right

Other:

Locking Removable Downtube-Integrated Battery Pack (Cylinder and Key by Trelock), 1.8 lb 2 Amp Charger, KMC X10e Chain, 120 RPM Motor Pedal Support, CAN BUS Communications Dongle

Electronic Details

Motor Brand:

TranzX M25GTS

Motor Type:

Mid-Mounted Geared Motor
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Motor Nominal Output:

500 watts

Motor Peak Output:

550 watts

Motor Torque:

70 Newton meters

Battery Voltage:

48 volts

Battery Amp Hours:

10.2 ah

Battery Watt Hours:

489.6 wh

Battery Chemistry:

Lithium-ion

Charge Time:

5.5 hours

Estimated Min Range:

40 miles (64 km)

Estimated Max Range:

75 miles (121 km)

Display Type:

Control Pad Interface, Optional COBI Smartphone App

Readouts:

Speed, Odometer, Trip Meter, Max Speed, Avg Speed, Battery Capacity (5 Bars), Assist Level (0-4), Turn by Turn Directions, Fitness Tracker, Access to Contacts and Music, Motion Sensing Alarm

Display Accessories:

Independent Button Pad (Up, Down, Left, Right, Center, Bell), Micro-USB Port on COBI Interface (5 Volt, 500 mA)

Drive Mode:

Advanced Pedal Assist (Measures Rear Wheel Speed, Pedal Cadence, Pedal Torque)

Top Speed:

28 mph (45 kph)

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Written Review

The Haibike Urban Plus has been on my radar since it was introduced in late 2016, because it is completely unique in the product line. It uses a custom designed TranzX battery and compact circular TranzX mid-motor while almost all of the other Haibike models to date (that I’m aware of) utilize either Bosch or Yamaha drive systems. TranzX is a less expensive, less responsive alternative that is commonly found on Raleigh and IZIP e-bike models (two brands owned by the Accell Group, parent company of Haibike since 2002). That said, the M25 is one of the most premium TranzX offerings and performed surprisingly well during my test rides, even offering some shift detection to protect the 10-speed Shimano Deore XT drivetrain. Nice! This is an ebike that did not look comfortable to me, but actually rode pretty well because of the nearly plus-sized 2.4″ wide Schwalbe Super Moto-X tires (official plus sizes are 2.6″, 2.8″, and 3.0″ width). By lowering the tire pressure just a touch (anywhere between 30 and 55 PSI), sticking to smooth paved roads, and possibly adding a 31.6 mm suspension seat post, you can have a blast going up to 28 mph while staying clean and relatively safe thanks to plastic fenders and nice integrated lights. Weighing in at just under 60 lbs, the Urban Plus is not an especially lightweight electric bicycle, but it is well balanced, and comfortably solid. The additional weight pairs well with the bigger tires to absorb vibration and bumps. Thes 27.5″ wheel diameter offers a lower attack angle than 26″ found on many Stromer models (a strong competitor) which helps it span cracks and small imperfections in the tarmac. It’s not as quiet or simple as a Stromer, but the middrive offers efficiency as you shift gears. And so, the bigger tires, upgraded rims, and strong thru-axles (front and rear), add to the rear rack, full alloy chain guide, and higher capacity battery pack to make this a heavier bicycle, but it also makes it durable and performant. I came into this review thinking the bike was a bit off and possibly cheap because it’s different from the rest of the Haibike pack. I think a lot of people in the industry have felt this way and been uncertain about the complex COBI system (now owned by Bosch) and have portrayed these uncertain feelings to their customers. As a result, we have seen it go on sale and become a very compelling offering. What I discovered during the ride test and deep dive, while gathering stats and preparing for the written portion here, is that the motor is actually pretty impressive but still quiet and the COBI phone-app display system can either be amazing and fun or annoying and distracting, especially in bright light because of glare or complete darkness because of how large and bright a phone display can be. It all depends on your willingness to learn about the software and deal with something a bit new. The great thing is, you can operate the bike without using the phone app if you want. In any case, you get to interface with a vast network of Haibike dealers who can offer test rides on one of the three frame sizes and two colors on offer, and who will be able to support the two-year comprehensive warranty. There’s a lot more to say about this ebike, and I’ve done my best to be efficient with the writeup that follows, I also tried to be efficient with the 30+ minute video review above, but there was just a lot to cover ;)

Driving this bike is a very compact, circular, mid-drive motor from TranzX. The M25GTS is a high-sped motor, capable of assisting riders up to ~28 mph, making the Urban Plus a Class 3 speed pedelect. You get 500 to 550 watts of output, and up to 70 Newton meters of torque, positioning this near the Yamaha PWseries SE and Bosch Performance Line Speed products. Weighing in at ~8.6 lbs, it’s not as light as it is small, but it is quiet. I was really impressed by how little noise it produced during my test rides. I could hardly hear it at all when my friend Virginia took it out and I ran next to her for a short bit. My experience was that the motor did not switch on as hard and fast as Bosch and Yamaha, and had a bit of wind-down time when I stopped, but it was a lot more dynamic than some of the basic TranzX products that only measure pedal cadence. This thing measures pedal cadence, pedal torque, and rear wheel speed… and, it measures shifting. Not perfectly, but it’s still a welcome and somewhat rare feature. If you’re pushing hard and the motor is assisting you with high power, there’s a potential for “mashing” which is where the chain grinds across the sprockets and pulls hard on the derailleur. It makes a chunking sound and will damage the drivetrain over time. It’s one of the drawbacks to having a mid-motor (because you need to shift in order to empower the motor, but this in turn can damage the hardware). I found that the system worked best when I would ease back on my pedal force just a touch and then shift. If I was pushing hard, I could still induce mashing and would hear the shift detection kick in slightly after the gear had already been changed. In short, I like how small and quiet the TranzX M25 is. I love how small the casing is, and how nicely it blends into the frame here (staying completely hidden the 48 tooth chainring). I think the shift detection, while imperfect, is much better than nothing, and really beneficial on a wider range 10-sprocket drivetrain like this. I feel like I’ve been won over a little bit, and don’t feel so uncomfortable with the brand at this point… especially with the lowered price point and warranty.

Powering the motor, the COBI Hub (plastic smartphone mount), both lights, and the electronic bell and siren alarm system, is a 48 volt 10.2 amp hour Lithium-ion battery pack. It offers nearly 500 watt hours of capacity, which is a bit above average, but definitely what you’d want for a speed pedelec. The faster you ride over ~20 mph, the more air resistance you’ll encounter and the harder the motor will have to work, thus draining the battery more quickly. I really like how cleanly the pack seats into the downtube, it’s almost smooth and really blends in nicely. I appreciate how simple and bright the LED power indicator is, on top of the pack, and how the charging port on the left side is clear of the left crank arm and pedal. The included two amp charger does an average job of filling the pack and isn’t especially large or heavy, but I like the metal end piece they used because it won’t crack as easily as the small plastic ones that many other brands use. There’s a key slot on the top right side of the downtube, used to unlock the battery. This cylinder did not appear to be spring loaded, so you’ll need to make sure you’ve turned the key back before pulling out. It’s a minor gripe… I do like the inset key design and just the fact that you can charge this battery on or off the bike frame. For people who live upstairs and do not want to carry the 59 lb frame, just take the battery pack, your phone, and the COBI hub off for the night and leave the bike outside. For people who may encounter extreme heat and cold, it’s best to store the pack in a cool, dry location to maximize life. I’ve heard that the sweet spot for making Lithium-ion cells last is 20% to 80% full, so check in on it every month or two if you haven’t been out for a ride. Just be careful not to drop the battery, because it doesn’t have a handle or loop built in. Weighing just ~5.6 lbs, it’s not especially heavy, just a bit less secure to hold than the standard Bosch and Yamaha external packs on many other Haibike models. Dropping this thing would be an $800 mistake ;)

Operating the Urban Plus can be quick and easy, or somewhat complex and awesome! Once the battery pack has been charged and clicked into place (seriously, push down and listen for the click before riding), you press a little black button on the right side of the COBI mount to turn it on. From here, you can click the up and down keys on the remote button pad, which is positioned near the left grip. Arrow up through the four levels of assist and listen for a double chime when you reach the top. That’s it… no other LCD console or readouts to show your speed or range, just the basic LED readout on the battery pack itself to approximate battery charge level. That’s the simple version without the phone app… For people who have an iOS or Android smartphone, look for the COBI.bike application which matches the branding and may be linked from the official COBI.bike website here. The people that made this system come from the automotive industry and wanted to bring the music, phone, navigation, and security features you’d expect from a premium automobile. You can see this in the headlight design, which has three running modes (daytime, bright, and auto) and curved LED outlines. Once you’ve got the app installed, you can connect it to the bike using Bluetooth and then seat it in the spring loaded mount and plug it in with Micro-USB or Lightening (or use an official COBI phone case to reduce wire clutter). With the app launched and connected, the bike will take you through a setup flow and get some information about what color scheme you like and what you’d like to name the bike. It eventually shows your current speed, chosen level of assist, battery capacity, and a bunch of optional sub-applications like music, telephone, and GPS. The navigation setup is pretty cool, using vectorized images to save on data downloads and improve load times. You can select from the fastest, shortest, or quietest route to your planned destination and even get feedback on how the weather is set to change over the course of your ride. Pretty sweet… and most of this can be controlled via touch screen on your phone or more safely with the rubberized arrow button pad thing near the left grip. It did take some time to update the firmware in the COBI hub and in the smartphone app before we could ride, so plan for an additional hour of setup time here. The good news is, the app will get smarter and more feature rich with time as new software versions are introduced. To disconnect your phone from the bike (if you’re selling it or maybe just demoing the bike), go into the COBI app, press the gear icon for settings, scroll down to My Bike, then choose Reset and Release Hub.

Depending on your access to a shop, the price being charged, and your willingness to try something a little different, the Haibike Urban Plus could be an excellent choice. I spent time covering this bike at the Electric Bicycle Shop of Santa Barbara and was accompanied by the owner of Amego Bikes in Toronto who both had good things to say about the product. Virginia in particular, was excited about how city dwellers had been using it to zip around town for work or to make food deliveries. The hardware is definitely a step up with sealed cartridge bearings, nicer pedals, the fancy lighting system (I love how the backlight goes bright when you pull the brakes). You can go fast, use power efficiently, and stop on a dime with the hydraulic disc brakes – especially with the larger 203 mm front rotor. Some of the hardware is even specced for European standards (the larger brake levers for example), and I love that they put the kickstand way back so it stays clear of the left crank arm if you are backing the bike up or maneuvering it in a tight space. The handlebars aren’t super wide, so it fits between cars and through doors easily. Apparently, the dongle adapter thing that comes with the charger and setup guide will let you adjust the controller amperage to raise or lower the current by 3% to optimize for quick starts or slower more efficient starts… and that’s pretty rare and unique. The one thing that seems to be missing is set of bottle cage bosses. Alas! perhaps they didn’t want to compromise the frame integrity or just thought the rear rack was enough. Consider the SKS Anywhere adapter if you want to fit a folding lock or other tool onto the seat tube (which seems especially wide here). Big thanks to the shops for partnering with me on this review and to Haibike for making beautiful bikes. I welcome your feedback in the comments below or the Haibike Forums and I’ll do my best to help answer questions.

Pros:

  • This is the only Haibike that I have seen to date which uses the TranzX M25 mid-motor, this motor tends to cost less and be physically smaller than Bosch and Yamaha, it basically disappears on the frame behind the 48 tooth chainring
  • The battery pack also blends into the frame nicely and only weighs ~5.6 lbs, which is great for a ~500 watt hour ebike battery (most weigh 5.8 lbs to 7 lbs)
  • The frame feels stiff (no frame flex), the fenders are attached securely and aren’t as prone to damage as aluminum or steel because they are made from flexible plastic, it’s just nice to have most of the weight low and center vs. on a rack battery or in a big hub motor in the rear wheel
  • As a Class 3 speed pedelec (capable of reaching ~28 mph with pedal assist) the bike is sporty, fast, and great for commuting or delivery applications, but less efficient because of wind resistance above 20 mph, the good news is that the mid-drive motor is more efficient than most hub motors because it leverages the nice 10-speed drivetrain… so to me, this is one of the more efficient Class 3 products
  • Mid-motors are efficient, but can increase the strain and wear of your chain, cassette, and derailleur, so it’s very impressive to see shift detection in use here! This makes the motor ease off whenever you shift gears, reducing wear on the drivetrain
  • You shouldn’t experience many chain drops with this e-bike because the chainring has a sturdy guide; two alloy plates sandwiching the chainring to keep things on track, these plates double as a bash guard to protect the chainring teeth, motor casing, and your pant legs when pedaling
  • Haibike did an excellent job with safety here, you get premium Schwalbe Super Moto-X tires with puncture resistance and reflective stripes, you get bright front and rear lights (with three modes for the headlight), and you can choose the white frame if you really want to stand out and increase your visual footprint (though the grey frame helps hide the battery and wires a bit better and might hide dirt and scratches too)
  • Both lights are active whenever the bike is turned on but the headlight has a sensor that goes brighter vs. the basic running light stripes along the sides (which look awesome), I love how the tail light goes bright when you pull the brake levers, it really keeps you visible and safe when riding in traffic
  • Great utility on offer, the wide fenders should keep you dry, the rear rack is capable of supporting up to 55 lbs and provides secure attachment points for the rear fender, and the rack is positioned far back enough to stay clear if you drop the saddle all the way down
  • Fantastic hydraulic disc brakes here, the larger 203 mm front rotor allows for faster cooling and more power when braking with these taller wheels and heavier tires, the rear 180 mm rotor is great too vs. a 160 mm on some other products
  • The price is amazing for such high quality hardware and such a cool looking frame in two colors and three frame sizes! most competing products are at least $2,500 and can range beyond $5k for Stromer in particular
  • I really appreciate that you don’t have to use your phone with the COBI interface to ride this bike, sometimes it’s faster and simpler just to turn it on and use the button pad to adjust assist and go…
  • It’s neat to see how much information the COBI system can give you through their smartphone app, you can take phone calls, get GPS directions, even choose routes that are fast vs. quiet and get an idea of weather along your planned route, I love that there’s a Micro-USB port for charging your phone as you use the app and ride
  • In addition to bluetooth, the COBI system supports ANT+ which could be used with a heart rate monitor, the display also shows your pedal stroke power and RPM to get deeper insights on what kind of exercise is happening and sync with Apple Health
  • The battery is really small, perhaps you could get a spare to stick in a bag, the charger is also pretty lightweight and has a tough metal end so it should hold up better over time if jostled around or dropped
  • Great hardware upgrades, the rims use reinforcement eyelets and both wheels have thru-axles, the kickstand is positioned clear of the left crank arm and is adjustable, the sturdy alloy pedals from VP

Cons:

  • The bike felt pretty good to me because it uses higher volume 27.5″ x 2.4″ tires and ergonomic grips, but the fork is rigid aluminum (not as comfortable as steel, carbon fiber, or a suspension fork), at high speeds the bike can cause some back, neck, arm, and wrist fatigue on bumpy roads, consider a 31.6 mm seatpost suspension
  • Plastic fenders tend to rattle more, these ones seemed very secure (and are made by SKS, which is a leader in the space) but they may not be as silent as tubular alloy fenders and could get warped (the front fender was a little off to the side on our demo bike in the video and images above)
  • It’s great that the bike uses a sturdy 15 mm thru-axle for the front wheel because it adds strength and rigidity compared to a 9 mm skewer, but the quick release mechanism makes it vulnerable… so always lock the front wheel along with the frame, there are fewer options for 15 mm security hardware like Pinheads on the market right now
  • The COBI app takes a bit of time and patience to setup, we had to charge the bike and let the COBI mount fill up before it could download a software update and then sync with our phone before doing another software update, expect 1+ hours of time just screwing around before you can use the phone
  • No bottle cage bosses on the seat tube (or anywhere) which is too bad, you’ve got the rear rack to work with and could mount a trunk bag or panniers there, but it’s nice to use bosses for folding locks and other accessories when you don’t want to bring a bag and it really seems like there was room on the frame, you might be able to use an SKS Anywhere adapter set like this with the fatter seat tube but I’m not 100% sure
  • I was surprised that the Shimano Deore XT derailleur on this bike does not have the one-way clutch to tighten the derailleur spring and reduce chain bounce and slap, it’s a feature I see on this same component group level for a lot of other speed pedelec electric bicycles
  • Minor consideration here, just be careful with the battery pack (mounting and dismounting to store or charge off-bike) because there’s no handle or loop to give you a secure hold, at least the bike is stable with the kickstand so getting the pack off shouldn’t be too tricky like some mountain models, I noticed that the locking cylinder for the battery is not spring loaded so you do have to spend a bit more time and effort locking the pack back onto the bike
  • The COBI control pad has a white LED that can be a little bright and distracting, along with your smartphone shining up into your face… I rode in the dark and was trying to figure out how to dim the lights or go into night mode, please chime in with a comment below if you know how to do this or have feedback
  • Even though there’s a cool siren alarm (that must sense wheel movement, because it’s extremely sensitive) there isn’t any sort of phone notification to let the owner know about tampering, it’s just a simple audible alarm to alert passers by who might see the thief
  • The front plastic fender was a bit twisted and this could have been because of how the wires were routed… or just how it was shipped, I have found that positioning it correctly with some cardboard or styrofoam underneath and using a hair dryer or other gentle heat source (even just the sun) can help to straighten plastic back out, just be careful not to leave the battery outside in the hot sun because it’s hard on the cells

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John
4 weeks ago

WOW, the big surprise here is the price and Haibike’s cheating on their German suppliers (mainly Bosch) and going with the value parts supplier TransX. Clearly Haibike is going down scale and the timing/pricing is suspiciously looking like a response to the soon-to-be-released Yamaha bikes (and supplier to Haibike for 2017 drive systems). Its a good idea for Haibike to have a few more affordable bikes to respond to Yamaha and others. I did note the new Yamaha bikes have some significant cost comprises like no dropper on the MTB. Well done to TransX in getting a smallish motor with 2 downtube solutions in the market while engineering powerhouse Bosch struggles getting its downtube solution to market. Look forward to EBR review of new Yamaha models and perhaps suggest a survey of all the drive systems out there, including Chinese suppliers, aside from the usual suspects like Bosch & Yamaha.

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court
4 weeks ago

Hey John! It is neat to see the brand adjusting a bit, and doing pretty well with this entry (even though it has always felt a little awkward to me, being branded a Haibike). They are known for high-end electric mountain bikes… but the trekking models are solid, and this one did pretty well for itself during close examination (at least for me). I’m excited to see the new Yamaha tech. What do you mean by “a survey of al drive systems” like a comparison video or article. Are you suggesting that I survey users about their experience with each? Maybe that could be setup in the EBR Forums or something.

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Ray Schmidt
3 weeks ago

Well, I just purchased the 2017 Model of this bike in white from Random Bike Parts for $1700.00. Specs seem to be identical. Has a decent waranty and good specs. I think that’s a extremely good price for a Pedelec with the included technology. We’ll see what I feel about it in a couple months.

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court
3 weeks ago

Awesome! Yeah, I’d love to hear how it holds up for you and what your thoughts are after some time riding. Thanks for the quick update and feedback Ray :)

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Peter Julber
3 weeks ago

Would anyone care to help with sizing? I see this available in 3 sizes: 43, 48 and 53. I’m 5′ 11″ and figure the 53 would be my size. Anyone care to comfirm? Very interested in this bike with the current price drops. Thank you!

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court
3 weeks ago

Hi Peter, I agree that you’re probably either a 48 cm or 53 cm. There’s not a huge size difference there, so it might come back to your own body position preference. Some people prefer a shorter frame (especially on road bikes) to make them more nimble and lightweight. You can always adjust the saddle by sliding it forward and back a bit. you could swap the stem eventually for something longer or shorter. I guess what I’m saying is that you’re between sizes and could go either way… but I’m not a professionally trained bike fitter. Maybe others will chime in with feedback too :)

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Dale
5 days ago

Court, you said you are 5′ 7″ ? How tall is Virginia? I’m thinking the medium (19″) would be a good compromise between myself at 6′ and the wife at 5′ 7″ . Thanks.

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court
2 days ago

Hi Dale! I’m actually 5’9″ and cannot say exactly how tall Virginia is (maybe 5’3″?) I do agree that a Medium size frame would be a good way to go, to fit both you and your Wife. I’d love to hear how you like the bike!! You can contact Virginia directly, at her shop called Amego EV, and ask her height and recommendations. I hope the size you want is available :D

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BubbaDog
2 hours ago

THANKS for your response. As you know TRP indicates their hydraulic brake caliper is used with their 160mm rotor. Further the Radwagon comes with 180mm rotors. So, I was concerned about compatibility. Based on your comments, it appears there is no issue as long as they are mounted properly. Thanks.

christob
17 hours ago

Thanks @Nova Haibike ...!
The chirping squeak is definitely not the brakes; I've actually remove the calipers entirely and taking it for a controlled test ride, and the squeak is completely unchanged / unaffected with no brakes on the bike. The manufacturer is sending me a new rear wheel next week, but I was speculating that perhaps it might be the spokes contributing…

indianajo
19 hours ago

Wow, they have ignored your post.
Haibike gets compliments here, but you're not going to get one for $2000. The hardnine does come in different sized frames, to fit your body type. A 29" wheel, I guess you're long legged? Those are for big people, not for me. mid drives are very popular, but they do wear out chains, and don't have a 3 speed front sprocket to get up the grade home if something fails out on the trail. I had to pedal my experiment home twice, once for bad battery, once for bad motor or controller.
If you need maintenance help, consider buying whatever is available at a dealer near you. I'm 180 miles from the nearest dealer, I would be completely on my own. Your town may be more with it.
The front suspension of the haibike looks helpful. I found a hard frame even with 2.1" diameter tires is too jiggly above 10 mph on real pavement. 27 mph required glass smooth pavement, I couldn't watch fast enough to avoid huge shocks on bad pavement.
I'm age 67, tried to double my range (30 miles pedaling) by going electric with a front power wheel kit and a 15 AH 48v battery. I bought the wrong kit, got 60 miles before I blew up something. The good thing about geared power wheel, there is no drag if the kit fails. 6 lb battery is not going to get you very far out, IMHO. Mine was 14 lb.
So buying an assembled bike gets you a warrenty. However shipping a bad bike to factory would be a **** though with no dealer around. Buy what the dealer sells. My boat anchor only cost $260, I can throw it away and try again this year. Beats keeping a huge cardboard box for a year and repacking a bike in it without a huge staple gun.
In your price range there are giant and trek, which do have large dealer networks. Look around at those and see if you can find something that suits you.

Stoker283
1 day ago

Wow it is sure a great deal! But I wonder about that Cobi thing it seems kind of scary and could this be the reason for the price drop? Otherwise I would go for the Haibike right away!

Timpo
1 day ago

I am interested in getting this bike since it is on sale but comes with TranzX M25GTS motor.
https://electricbikereview.com/haibike/urban-plus/

Do you know any tuning/software/chip available for this motor?

Because it seems like tuning is only for major brands like Yamaha, Shimano, Brose, Bafang and Bosch.

rich c
2 days ago

You absolutely won't have to recharge the Haibike at work on a 26 mile trip, unless you keep it in Turbo for the entire trip. I own two Haibikes, am 2" taller than you, and 10 pounds heavier. I just put 28 miles on today, and had 2 bars left and estimated 19 more miles range while riding in Tour. I had two hills to climb that are steep. I had to ride them in Turbo.

Chris Hammond
2 days ago

They are both really nice bikes. You'll likely be very happy either way.
Some of the best advice I can give you is that you'll never regret getting a too big battery, but you may very well regret one that is too small. The battery is the most expensive component on any ebike. If you find yourself unsatisfied with a battery that doesn't have enough range, its very expensive to upgrade. In many cases (as is the case with the Haibike) you can't even upgrade the battery, your only option is to buy a second battery and carry it with you, or bring your charger/ buy a second and recharge at work.
If you find yourself uphappy with any other components, its far less expensive to upgrade or change.
26 miles round trip is far enough that if you want to ride at higher speeds you will definitely come close to depleting the battery on the Haibike if you don't recharge at work. The quick math is at 28mph most ebikers use ~ 30 watts / mile. Thus your 26 mile round trip would use 780 watt/hours. The Haibike only has a 500 Wh battery, compared to the 920 Wh on the Juiced.

If you are happy with the idea of recharging at work then the Haibike is perfectly acceptable. If not go with the Juiced.

elyhim
2 days ago

Class I emtb? Haibike, Pivot Shuttle, Kenevo, Trek Powerfly, Bulls, Cube, JAM, Canyon, Santa Cruz, Scott, Ghost, Moustache, LaPierre. All have good and bad I guess. What brand is going to have LBS support? Lifetime warranty? Backwards compatibility?

What makes a current good e-MTB? Progressive geometry, full suspension, dropper post, warranty, local support, component, component upgrade possibilities, battery life, torque.

Think about what kind of riding you will be doing. Cross Country (XC), Trail, All Mountain, Downhill/Enduro? There are specific companies focusing on particular types. Making the decision about the type of riding you want to do is central to what you start looking for.

Primarily look for emtb from mtb companies.

Edit: Component 1X systems deore or better, clutch drive train.

Captain Walnut
2 days ago

Hi gang. I'm looking for the best value and performance I can get from a sub $2k urban commuter. I test road a RadCity, and didn't like how much it fought me above 20mph. I've been excited for the Juiced CrossCurrent S, but bummed out by the delays and sold out status of many models. But when a size M with the medium 19Ah battery pre-order became available a few days ago (someone must have gotten sick of waiting), I jumped on it. Yet I'm still super tempted by the incredible value of the Haibike Urban Plus marked down to $1699, and keep going back and forth.

I don't love that I won't get a chance to test ride either (though I could return the Juiced within 7 days). I am leaning towards the Juiced because it has (basic) suspension forks and a much larger battery. But the high end components and cleaner look of the Urban Plus are still calling out to me. I just worry that the 500Wh battery is a little small, though I know mid drive is more efficient, and I worry that the stiff forks will be a pain. But I could get this bike much sooner, and I want to get out riding! I could also order the Juiced CCS with the small battery off Amazon and get it in a few days, so that's another option, but it seems worth the upgrade for $300 (especially with no sales tax through Juiced). Gah, what to do! What would you do?

I'm in a hilly city, am 5'9" with a 29" inseam, weigh 240, and my commute is about 26 miles round trip.

LimboJim
2 days ago

I'm confused in so many ways, unless the specs I see in multiple places are wrong or you have a hybrid 2017/2018 Xduro Allmtn 8.0, the only two years in which that model exists:

1. The 2018 Xduro Allmtn 8.0 specs a Yamaha motor but Deore XT (not EX1) drivetrain.
2. The 2017 Xduro Allmtn 8.0 came with EX1, but the Bosch CX motor.
3. By "hub replacement" do you mean the front chainring(s)?

Hubs are in the wheel, and front ones aren't part of the "gearing components." What's actually broken? Can you post pics?

Maybe your best bet is to check with the dealer you bought the bike from...

Mattlow165
4 mins ago

I got my urban plus about a month ago. I've put 120 ish miles in the saddle not one issue. I love it great bike it's the 2017 model and my local dealer price matched it to the 1699

Captain Walnut
2 days ago

I am still tearing out my hair between the Juiced CCS (with 19Ah battery) and the Urban Plus. I test rode the RadCity, and didn't like the 20mph limit, it really fought me above that speed. When a CCS became available for pre-order a few days ago on the Juiced site (someone must have gotten tired of waiting), I jumped at it. But I really want to start riding sooner than later, and I wouldn't be surprised if I didn't get a bike from Juiced until the end of June, which would be a bummer. I could get the Urban Plus much sooner, and I really am tempted by the more integrated design and higher end components. Still wary of the stiff fork, but the fat tires might well make up for it. Also wary of the much smaller battery for my ~26 mile round trip commute and 240lbs on some decent hills. But maybe the mid drive efficiency would make up for it. Ugh, which to choose?!?!

jam
3 days ago

Day 2: COBI update

Not much riding today but did have time to setup the COBI system. It was a snap with my Samsung S8. Get COBI app. Turn on hub (goofy name for the COBI unit). Tell app you want to connect. In my case it detected the hub and reported some bluetooth errors. I just tried it again and it said there was a Firmware update for the COBI unit itself. 5 min to download and do the update. After the update, the phone connected to the unit and I was ready to go. Total time including getting app, creating account, doing firmware update etc, ~10 min. Not much tech savvy needed. Just follow the instructions.

Rode around for a couple KM and it appeared to be measuring everything just fine. Got to 42km/h on a short flat in turbo mode with very little effort :-) Interestingly while setting up the device it asked what kind of bike. Not sure what difference it makes. Also not sure which type to pick. It had "urban" and "trekking" and others that seemed applicable. I picked trekking as the bike picture looked most like the Urban Plus.

A few notes:

[*]The universal mount can interfere with some of the on-screen buttons. Just be sure to mount the phone a touch to the left (that reveals the Navigation screen back button)
[*]On my phone in landscape mode, the app rotates the display the wrong way so it appears upside down. There is a setting for that. It defaults to "Auto". I set mine to Rightwards to ensure the power plug was near the power outlet (though I do not yet have a power cord...)
[*]The navigation screen is a dead end. I have yet to figure out how to get out of the map view while the app is in bike mode (i.e., rotated). There is some user interface gesture I am not getting so got stuck in the view that shows just the map. Curious.
[*]The map looks quite good and you can download maps for a number of regions
[*]The speed etc display appear fast and responsive to changing reality. The watt meter (top right corner) might be a bit gimmicky. I'll have to see what it's like on a real ride.
[*]I'm looking forward to getting a bluetooth enabled heart monitor to connect.
[*]Very cool that it has Strava integration (as well as Google fitness and Komoot)

So, not a lot of distance on the bike yet but all the systems are looking good. I'm going to charge up the battery and then do a bit of a ride (likely weekend) and will report more then.

Denis Shelston
5 days ago

Are you sure about that price for the Haibike Urban Plus? Never seen it at that price...

That70sGuy
5 days ago

I am looking for my first ebike also and have narrowed it down between the Voltbike Yukon 750 Limited and the Haibike Urban Plus (mid-drive). For me they are At $2000CDN and $2200CDN respectively. I don't have many hills so part of me says go for the Yukon but overall I think the Haibike has better components and if the COBI system works with my Samsung S8 then that's a big bonus.

Emerson
6 days ago

Hey nickybcareful,

Congrats on the new bike! It's beautiful. I had a tough time trying to decide on which color to get, but in the end, I chose white since my previous bike was also grey and black. I see we also installed the same mirror! How did you get the Topeak Trunk Bag to go onto the Carrymore rack??? I didn't know that was an option and it looks awesome!

Emerson
6 days ago

Hey Jam,

Congrats on the new bike! Be sure to share your experiences with it.

Emerson
6 days ago

Well, I'd have to say that the Haibike Urban Plus is definitely not an off road bike! However, the tires on this thing are no joke and they cushion the ride more than I ever would have expected. The caveat here is speed. This bike can cruise at pretty high speeds and that makes a big difference when it comes to impact. I found this out the other day when the paved back road I was speeding down suddenly turn into cobblestone. LOL! That experience aside, I don't want to imply that this is not a fun and comfortable bike to ride, because it is! Just stick to paved roads and level dirt or grassy paths. The suspension seat post I put on REALLY makes a difference, too. I highly recommend one, especially for a bike this fast.

Emerson
6 days ago

Hey Mister M,

Now that I've had a chance to really try the bike out, I have to say the Urban Plus really likes hills. I'm told the TranzX M25 motor has 70-newton meters of torque. This being my first e-bike and all, I'm not sure I really know what that means. However, I do know that I weigh 240 LBS (and the bike itself is another 60 Lbs), and on the highest level of assist, I'm going uphill without having to stand up out of the saddle to pedal. That's pretty awesome. I live in Weehawken NJ. "Weehawken" is a native American word meaning cliff. We have lots of hills around here, both sharp and gradual, and the Haibike Urban plus takes them all like a champ! Naturally, you'll want to be in the correct gear and level of assist, but I'm sure that will be different for everybody.

Emerson
6 days ago

The same bike is sold in the EU under a different brand name ("Winora", which owns Haibike). I think it's called the "Radar Urban". The EU has different requirements for bicycles than the US so there are subtle changes.

Jessa Phillips
4 hours ago

anyone else notice the battery lights up when the electric motor is engaged and when you back off it turns off

al gibson
1 day ago

Great to see that you were in SB! Ebikezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz is a great place! I bought my Kalkhoff from them. I tested that same bike you are showing in your video, but went with the Kalkhoff since it had an internal gear hub and belt. Really liked the iphone interface on the one you are reviewing. It was cool that it would show you the amount of watts that you are outputting.

Skyler Holman
2 days ago

Nice. Wish it had usb-c!

Joe Burbidge
3 days ago

This is a copy of a Stromer. Inferior in many ways, particularly the motor but the price is key. A great bike. All of the phone stuff looks very excessive and unnecessary.

Dude, I love your videos!

MR. SPIFFY
4 days ago

Her smile scares me for some reason

Arnold Humenuk
1 week ago

Just got my yesterday at Amego 👍👍

Roman P
1 week ago

Medium I asume 48cm. How tall are you?

Aylwin Soon
1 week ago

That's a really nice looking bike. Comparable with a stromer

Bernard Schirmeyer
1 week ago

You speak too much

Pepper Ginger
2 weeks ago

Good review, Most of the ebike or my local bike site the price in US $1699... why the price drop ?(but most of them doesn't say its on sale, so getting rid off inventory ?) on Haibike site MSRP is still $3599 and maybe this will be the first and last with TranzX M25 GTS Drive Unit ??

malayrojak
2 weeks ago

Virginia is so pretty... (Sorry, forgot my manners, thanks for the review!)

Transcend Consulting Inc.
3 weeks ago

Is this a 2017 or 2018 model?

Argent377
7 days ago

I'm not sure there is any real difference between the two other than the moniker.

NimblyBimbly
3 weeks ago

Will the Thule Yepp Maxi frame adapter fit on this bike?

Jeff H
3 weeks ago

I'm stuck between purchasing the Juiced Cross Current S and the Haibike Urban Plus 2018 (I can get either for $1699). Aside from Haibike's superior extra components, how do the parts/performance compare?

Josh Greisen
3 weeks ago

Thanks for reviewing this bike, I think there is some risk involved with service on the TransX motor. Remember, the warranty is still good on new bikes at the $1700 price point. Not to mention TransX is still making motors despite the fact Haibike may not be using them in the future. At this lower price I think it's worth the risk, worst case you get two years of riding and upgrade.

Paintbrush 1962
3 weeks ago

Unfortunately they don't ship these to UK :[

Calvin Wang
3 weeks ago

Hey Court, I just recently purchased this ebike based on your very informative review. I just had a few questions. What do you think of the longevity of this motor with the Cobi system now that it's owned by Bosch? Will the Cobi system continue to have updates for the TranzX motor? I've considered this outcome prior to my purchase. So then, would it be possible to switch out the Cobi system with an Intuvia display?

Dustear77
3 weeks ago

Hi court, any chance you could do a review of the bultaco brinco, (the street legal one). Cheers.

Pan Darius Kairos
3 weeks ago

Still waiting for the Trekking 9 :D

Friedolin
3 weeks ago

Hi, no offense but pls - Dont say you ride fast if you use a mid drive motor... with these motors you don’t ride 45kmh! If you like to ride fast atm you have to buy a hub motor(like Stromer) to reach 45kmh for real. This here is just a lie(advertisement)... And if you would ride fast for longer time with a mid drive motor you would have a huge wear. I’m just saying because a lot people maybe would be disappointed.

Kind regards from Germany