KTM Macina Lycan (Special Edition) Review

Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition Electric Bike Review
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition Bosch Cx High Torque Electric Mountain Bike Motor
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition Bosch Powerpack 400 Electric Bike Battery
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition Removable Bosch Intuvia Display Panel
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition 160 Mm Rockshox Pike Rct3 Air Fork
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition 125 Mm Rockshox Monarch Rl Rear Suspension
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition Magura Vyron Wireless Edrop Seat Post
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition 10 Speed Shimano Slx Shadow Plus
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition 180 Mm Shimano Hydraulic Disc Brakes
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition Selle Italia X Cross Sl Saddle
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition Electric Bike Charger
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition Electric Bike Review
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition Bosch Cx High Torque Electric Mountain Bike Motor
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition Bosch Powerpack 400 Electric Bike Battery
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition Removable Bosch Intuvia Display Panel
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition 160 Mm Rockshox Pike Rct3 Air Fork
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition 125 Mm Rockshox Monarch Rl Rear Suspension
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition Magura Vyron Wireless Edrop Seat Post
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition 10 Speed Shimano Slx Shadow Plus
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition 180 Mm Shimano Hydraulic Disc Brakes
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition Selle Italia X Cross Sl Saddle
Ktm Macina Lycan Special Edition Electric Bike Charger

Summary

  • A lightweight full suspension electric mountain bike that blends trail and all-mountain performance characteristics... longer stem, short travel rear shock, longer fork travel
  • Premium Mavic CrossMax wheelset with 24 bladed spokes, traditional cross country 27.5" x 2.25" tires vs. boost, sturdy thru-axles and tapered head tube
  • Bosch Performance Line CX motor offers high torque, super-responsive power output, latest software brings eMTB mode for dynamic full power output and less button pressing
  • Perhaps as a weight savings approach, this ebike uses the smaller Bosch Powerpack 400 battery, it costs a lot but comes in four frame sizes, battery and motor design aren't as seamless as some competitors

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Introduction

Make:

KTM

Model:

Macina Lycan (Special Edition)

Price:

$7,845

Body Position:

Forward

Suggested Use:

Trail, Mountain

Electric Bike Class:

Pedal Assist (Class 1)
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Warranty:

2 Year Motor and Battery, 5 Year Frame

Availability:

United States, Canada

Model Year:

2017

Bicycle Details

Total Weight:

46.8 lbs (21.22 kg)

Battery Weight:

5.4 lbs (2.44 kg)

Motor Weight:

8.8 lbs (3.99 kg)

Frame Material:

Triple Butted Aluminum Alloy

Frame Sizes:

15 in (38.1 cm)17 in (43.18 cm)19 in (48.26 cm)21 in (53.34 cm)

Geometry Measurements:

Medium 19": 19" Seat Tube, 22.25" Reach, 31" Stand Over Height, 73" Length

Frame Types:

High-Step

Frame Colors:

Satin Black with Neon Yellow and Red Accents

Frame Fork Details:

RockShox Pike RCT3 Air, 160 mm Travel, Lockout, Preload Adjust, Rebound Adjust, 100 / 15 mm Thru Axle with Quick Release

Frame Rear Details:

RockShox Monarch RL-C2 DebanAir, 125 mm Travel, Lockout, Rebound Adjust, 142 / 12 mm Thru-Axle with Quick Release

Gearing Details:

10 Speed 1x10 Shimano SLX M675 GS Shadow Plus Derailleur, Shimano HG50-10 Cassette 11-36T

Shifter Details:

Shimano Deore M610 Triggers on Right

Cranks:

Miranda, Aluminum Alloy, 175 mm Length, 15T Chainring

Pedals:

Alloy Platform, Cage

Headset:

Tapered, Threadless External, 1-1/8" to 1-1/2"

Stem:

KTM Comp, Aluminum Alloy, Frame Size Dependent, 6° to 8° Angle, 80 mm to 100 mm Length, Two 10 mm Risers

Handlebar:

KTM Comp, Aluminum Alloy, Flat, 29" Length

Brake Details:

Shimano Hydraulic Disc with 180 mm Rotors, Shimano Two-Finger Levers with Adjustable Reach

Grips:

KTM, Flat Rubber, Locking

Saddle:

Selle Italia X-Cross SL

Seat Post:

Magura Vyron Wireless eDrop-Post (Electronic Dropper, 150 mm Travel)

Seat Post Length:

250 mm

Seat Post Diameter:

30.9 mm

Rims:

Mavic CrossMax ProClass Mtn. 27.5, 24 Hole

Spokes:

Mavic Zicral 24-Count Spoke Set, Bladed, Adjustable Nipples, Black and Yellow

Tire Brand:

Mavic Pulse Pro, 27.5" x 2.25" (54-584)

Wheel Sizes:

27.5 in (69.85cm)

Tire Details:

Tubeless, 29 to 58 PSI

Tube Details:

Presta Valve

Accessories:

Neoprene Slap Guard

Other:

Locking Removable Battery Pack with LED Charge Level Indicator, 1.7 lb 4 Amp Charger

Electronic Details

Motor Brand:

Bosch Performance Line CX

Motor Type:

Mid-Mounted Geared Motor
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Motor Nominal Output:

250 watts

Motor Peak Output:

600 watts

Motor Torque:

75 Newton meters

Battery Voltage:

36 volts

Battery Amp Hours:

11 ah

Battery Watt Hours:

396 wh

Battery Chemistry:

Lithium-ion

Charge Time:

3.5 hours

Estimated Min Range:

20 miles (32 km)

Estimated Max Range:

100 miles (161 km)

Display Type:

Bosch Intuvia, Removable, Adjustable Angle, Grayscale, Backlit LCD

Readouts:

Speed, Assist Level (Eco, Tour, Sport, Turbo), Battery Level (5 Bars), Odometer, Trip Distance, Estimated Range, Clock, Max Speed, Average Speed, Trip Time, Shift Recommendation

Display Accessories:

Independent Button Pad with Tactile Feedback on Left, 5 Volt 500 mA Micro USB Port on Display

Drive Mode:

Advanced Pedal Assist (Measures Wheel Speed, Pedal Cadence and Pedal Torque, Power Output Relative to Pedal Input: Eco 50% 40 Nm, Tour 120% 50 Nm, Sport 210% 60 Nm, Turbo 300% 75 Nm)

Top Speed:

20 mph (32 kph)

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Written Review

KTM is an Austrian motorcycle and sports car manufacturer with roots dating back to the 1930’s and a more formal partnership forming in 1954 between Ernst Kronreif and Trunkenpolz Mattighofen. What began as a car repair shop eventually transitioned into a motorcycle manufacturing operation after some struggle post WWII. The company gained widespread recognition with a win in the the Austrian 125cc national championship in 1954 and the International Six Days Trials shortly thereafter. These days, KTM has several divisions including an electric bike arm with unique models being produced and sold in the US. Having seen, tested, and reviewed the original KTM Macina Force hardtail model at an Ebike Expo event in 2016, I was excited to see what was on offer with the Macina Lycan Special Edition. Amazingly, both ebikes weigh about the same. Usually, full suspension electric mountain bikes weigh 50+ lbs but the Macina Lycan SE comes in closer to 47 lbs. This is due to its premium air suspension components from RockShox, lightweight 24-spoke Mavic wheelset, standard 100 and 142 mm hub sizes (vs. wider Boost on many other bikes), narrower 2.25″ tubeless tires vs. 2.8″ plus size, and slightly smaller Bosch Powerpack 400 battery. Weight is distributed evenly front to rear and the battery and motor are placed low and center, as you’d expect. Functionally, aside from a unique suspension fork choice (being longer travel than I would have expected for a cross country model), the bike is excellent. Price wise, I feel it’s on the expensive end of the spectrum. And visually, I feel that it’s not as streamlined as some of the other new Bosch powered e-mountain models. The motor and battery look nearly identical to the 2016 Macina Force… and that’s not terrible, but when you see what Haibike, Cannondale, Lapierre, and Trek are doing with motor position, casing design, and battery seating… it feels a bit outdated. Other highlights include a Vyron electronic dropper seat post from Magura with 150 mm travel, and a 10-speed Shimano SLX drivetrain with Shadow Plus one-way clutch, and 180 mm Shimano hydraulic disc brakes. I’d like to be more excited about this product but the price feels high. It’s called “special edition” but it’s built around an Aluminum frame using the same drive system and similar suspension as $4,500 models… and the wheels certainly can’t be worth $3k+ so please help me with a comment if I’m missing something?

Driving the bike is mid-drive motor from Bosch. It’s the same Performance Line CX drive that was used on the 2016 Macina Force with a slightly altered plastic cover. Both motors are capable of offering eMTB mode with the latest software update and that effectively transforms Sport level assist into a full-range output… so you can ride with minimal or maximum motor support based more on torque and not have to reach over and click the button pad while navigating rough mountainous terrain. The motor spins a 15 tooth chainring 2.5 times for every crank arm revolution resulting in a 37 tooth equivalent. The downside is that this chainring is so small, the chain regularly makes contact with the slap guard and even the yolk are of the right chainstay. Bosch has told me that these smaller chainrings increase grab but I have heard from some UK owners that they can also suffer from chain suck as mud piles up on the drive side of the motor. I appreciate the alloy chainring guard, which prevents drops and protects pant legs, and I love how quickly the chainring starts and stops under motor assist. The downsides are higher noise volume, especially with the CX motor in the higher levels of assist and pedaling at high RPM. You can get motor support up to 120 RPM which feels great if you like to spin. Some other electric bike motors, like the early Yamaha system, basically forced you to change gears to reach higher speeds. And you do still need to change gears to hit the max 20 mph assisted speed on the Macina Lycan, but you you don’t have to go through quite as many. With a 10-speed Shimano SLX drivetrain, you’ve got more than enough range to climb and top 20 mph and I like the little Shadow Plus clutch for tightening the chain and reducing slap… at least a little bit.

Powering the motor, backlit display panel, and integrated Micro-USB port is a 396 watt-hour Bosch battery pack. Inside are 18650 Lithium-ion cells known for being durable and lightweight. This pack has been a leader for several years now and was upgraded to the Powerpack 500 in 2017 but I guess some companies can save money or weight by using the original Powerpack 400. And, that seems to be the case here. I was really surprised, given the price, not to see the Powerpack 500, but you do save 0.3 lbs and I have never had a range issue with the Powerpack 400, so I guess it’s fine? Keep in mind, I’m a relatively light 135 lb rider who goes on 15 mile mountain bike rides and uses Eco and Tour mode frequently (vs. the new Sport eMTB or Turbo mode). I’m looking for a way to rationalize the smaller pack and be excited about it but it’s just underwhelming. Even the way it’s mounted to the frame, you can see that it’s nearly identical to the 2016 design and isn’t cupped or sunk into the downtube at all. Again, I’d rather keep the frame light and stiff than improve aesthetic so maybe this is okay? The stickers look cool and since most of the wires, battery, motor casing etc. are all black the aesthetic doesn’t get too busy. Most of the shifting, brake, and power cables are internally routed through the frame and I love the yellow spoke highlight on each wheelset. Both wheels offer quick release and the battery and display are also quick and easy to remove. This is handy for off-bike charging and making the frame even light when transporting by car rack. One thing you do not get is bottle cage bosses because of the suspension design, angled top tube, and battery mount.

Operating the KTM Macina Lycan (Special Edition) is exactly the same as operating the older Macina Force. They both use the Bosch Intuvia display which is large, easy to read from a distance, adjustable to reduce glare, and completely removable… if you want. There’s a little threaded set screw hole in the base if you want to fix it more permanently (as was done for this Sedona media event). Once the battery is charged and mounted, you press the power button at the lower left corner of the Intuvia display and it comes to life extremely quickly. Current speed, assist level, and battery capacity are shown at all times and you can press the i button to cycle through trip distance, odometer, max speed, average speed, clock, and range. Range is much more useful than the five-bar battery infographic because it offers a precise guesstimate of how far you can go based on not only the battery level but also the assist level chosen and your last mile of riding. I demonstrate this in the video review above and appreciate how even the weight of a bike, the tire choice, and especially the terrain and weather can have an impact. To raise or lower motor support, you click the up and down keys on the remote button pad mounted near the left grip. This pad is easy to reach while riding without completely compromising your grip and is intuitive enough, based on the textures and layout, that you can use it without even looking down. The new eMTB mode takes things one step further by giving you a single “do everything” mode and I was impressed by how well it worked. This mode let me do wheelies more naturally than Turbo mode (the highest level of assist) because it didn’t try to jump right in as I started pedaling, it ramped up more smoothly.

It’s always fun to see cutting edge technology in the ebike space, and even more so when you can chat about it with a knowledgeable friend. For this review, I was joined by Drew “Drewbacca” Rohde from The Loam Wolf, formerly the Chief Editor of Decline Mountain Bike Magazine. He gave me some great insight into the longer travel fork adjustments and reinforced my confusion about the cross country rear suspension, longer stem, and narrower tires (which he appreciates for nimble handling and trail penetration on soft Earth). Drew hasn’t ridden a ton of electric bikes yet but he seemed impressed with the performance of the Bosch CX motor system and did a bit of trail riding for the video which I appreciate. Perhaps the KTM Macina Lycan is just misunderstood? I like how it looks, trust the drive system and appreciate the low weight. You can’t have everything but I still don’t understand why it has to cost so much? Perhaps they are capitalizing on the amazing name and history of KTM or just expect to sell very few. It’s a special edition model but I didn’t see a number or badge and don’t know how many are being produced. I welcome your feedback and corrections, I’m doing my best to understand and describe this beautiful bike and am excited to see what comes next for the company… doubling down on lightweight at the expense of improved aesthetics and range? Perhaps a more affordable non-special edition model? Time will tell.

Pros:

  • Weighing in at roughly 47 pounds (21.32 kilograms), this is one of the lightest weight full suspension Bosch powered electric bikes I have tested… the air suspension and smaller Powerpack 400 help make it possible
  • You get the Magura Vyron wireless electronic seat post dropper on this ebike! It offers an impressive 150 mm travel, infinite positions, and can be swapped quickly to any other bike that has a 30.9 mm post or shim adapter
  • This bike is tough, made from high-grade Aluminum alloy with sturdy thru-axles front and rear, stiff tapered head tube, and oversized slap guard with top and bottom coverage (although I did see some heavy scrapes and nicks from the chain hitting the yolk area of the right chainstay on this demo bike)
  • Powerful but smooth Shimano hydraulic disc brakes with adjustable-reach levers, exactly what you’d expect for a rugged e-mountain bike
  • Premium Mavic CrossMax ProClass wheelset is lightweight and aerodynamic with 24 Mavic Zicral bladed spokes, this is another weight saving hardware upgrade
  • 10-speed Shimano SLX drivetrain is great for zero to 20 mph assisted (and beyond), the Shadow Plus one-way clutch (chain retention feature) may reduce chain slap and chain suck if you ride in muddy conditions, I’m a bit surprised they didn’t go with XT (which I believe is higher) given the price tag, please comment if you have feedback on why SLX was chosen
  • The Mavic Pulse Pro tires are setup tubeless to save weight and offer an impressive PSI range for comfort and traction at the low end > 29 PSI, they are lighter than plus sized tires and quicker for trail riding, it’s really a preference thing but the shorter hubs are going to be lighter than Boost which saves weight
  • Minimalist motor casing matches the black frame beautifully and an alloy chainring guard protects your pants and keeps the chain from dropping on bouncy sections of trail
  • The Bosch CX motor now offers eMTB mode so you can set assist at Turbo and get the full range of output, power is sent based more on torque and can go all the way from zero to full without any clicking the Bosch Intuvia button pad
  • I love the Bosch Intuvia display panel because it’s removable (which could be handy if you’re bombing a hill and fall off), large and easy to read, and useful for charging phones and other accessories from the 5 Volt Micro-USB port on the right side
  • The battery is compact, easy to remove, and safe to carry because it has an integrated plastic loop at the top, the Bosch Powerpack batteries will be easy to find and replace for years vs. other custom packs and come with a two-year warranty
  • The motor controller is smart and fast, it provides the kind of response that you need for technical mountain riding and even provides some shift detection to reduce gear mashing
  • The suspension is highly adjustable, I was a little bit confused by the long-travel fork and shorter rear suspension travel (a mix of trail and all-mountain performance) but they are both premium pieces of hardware, both are RockShox air
  • The split-pivot rear suspension design handles well under braking pressure and has good bump compliance, it’s a proprietary design that costs more and does bob a bit but that’s not a huge deal with electric assist support when you’re not out of the saddle as frequently
  • With the RockShox Pike you get rapid recovery and low speed compression adjustments so the fork can be responsive and not lose travel as your body weight shifts which is even more relevant given the heavy battery and motor additions on an electric bike

Cons:

  • I’m not sure this is a con because you save roughly 0.3 lbs, but the Bosch Powerpack 400 just doesn’t offer as much range as the new Powerpack 500 that comes stock on higher priced ebikes, I don’t think it’s always necessary but if you weigh more and plan to climb a long and go far… it might be worth upgrading and at least both packs are compatible with the same mount (you might just have to migrate some stickers to make it look perfect)
  • The motor isn’t tipped up and blended into the frame as nicely as some Haibike, Cannondale, and Trek mountain models… same goes for the battery, it looks more like a 2015/2016 design where the pack is just bolted on vs. sunk in or semi-integrated
  • In my opinion, the price is very high for the technology you’re getting… yes, the drivetrain is nice and the Bosch CX motor is top of the line, the suspension and electronic dropper are nice, and the wheels are amazing, but $7.8k is a lot to spend
  • The Bosch Performance Line motors can produce more noise than Yamaha, Shimano, and Brose at high RPM, it’s a high pitched sound that is mostly masked during trail riding… I appreciate that the motor can assist up to 120 RPM and that it starts and stops so quickly
  • The chainring rotates 2.5 times for every crank arm revolution so there’s a bit of efficiency lost in that translation and you can hear it turning when the bike is off
  • There’s no space for a bottle cage but I appreciate the trade-off for an angled top tube to lower stand over height
  • The longer stem, narrower tires, and fewer spokes say cross country while the 160 mm suspension fork says all mountain or enduro (a bit more downhill), the bike rides well but seems like a blend of two different categories and your body position is more forward

Resources:

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Dewey
3 weeks ago

Some more European step through's, you can see the Bosch powertube battery integrated on the downtube of the first three 2018 models, at the bottom are two new folding step through ebikes:

KTM Macina Eight Disc P5 (Austria)

Flyer Gotour6 (Switzerland)

Victoria eTrekking 12:8 (Germany)

Koga E-Nova (Netherlands)

Ridgeback Electron (England)

Victoria eClassic 3.4 (Germany)

i:SY DrivE, despite the 20" wheels and looks this is not a folding ebike (Germany)

Flyer Pluto folding ebike (Switzerland)

Brompton Electric folding ebike, lightweight (37lb) with a 250w hub motor, torque and cadence sensor, and German made 300wh battery. The phone app looks useful as there appears to be no display on the handlebar. (England)

bob armani
2 months ago

Hi Ron- The Juiced hyper-fat is insane clocked at over 35mph by Tora on his website. Thanks for the heads up! Right now that is a great choice for the $$, however with tech changing so rapidly, perhaps it is better to wait. Love the bike though. I also thought the Surface 604 Boar Fat is a a good buy also and very cool looking.
Your hub drive vs mid drive question: I found the hub drives felt a bit more get and go power than some of the mid-drives, however, when I tested the Trek SuperCommuter8 with Bosch, my feeling changed based on the way they tuned the motor on that bike compared to the BMW mid-drive which was not as peppy. For all around, riding (mostly pavement), I like a hub driven motor. If your chain breaks, you can keep riding using the throttle. ;)
I also liked the Trek Powerfly series they had at the expo, but a little pricey. Seems like trek knows how to tune their motors well paired to the bike to get peak performance IMHO. I was a little disappointed not to see Haibike at the expo. The organizers said they would be there, but then pulled out of the Chicago location. I would have liked to try their line of bikes as well. Maybe next year. Haha! Yeah, I do not own the KTM, just test rode the Freeride electric. A real thrill indeed. KTM also makes some great ebikes, but are taking forever to get over to the US. Downloaded the European catalog and they have some real beauties. HNY! Bob

RITIREDVET
2 months ago

Hi Bob,
Glad to hear you enjoyed the expo,it was quite a ways for me to go but well worth it.I really like the conduit,kind of like a xm700 but with a shimano motor instead
of the bosch.I made it a lot better ride wise with the mono-shock fork I had put on.All and all a great ride for what I paid for it.
I have never ridden anything with a hub mounted motor,(outside of the show)how does this compare to a mid mount motor for all around riding?
Would love to get something else to compliment my conduit but I think I'm going to hold off for about a year or so because they
are coming out with so much new and high tech models I don't want to jump in too soon.But I have to admit that Juiced hyper-fat
1000 watt motor has my attention!!Look this up if you get a chance,there's a couple of great you-tubes on this one.One more thing,
is that your KTM in your avatar pic?I'm asking because I also ride motorcycles and wanted to know if you did too.Take care.
Ron

bob armani
2 months ago

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Hey Ron-
Glad to see you back! The Expo was GREAT and test rode over 2 dozen ebikes. It was great meeting all of the kind reps which were most hepful with my 1000 questions about their brands. BMW was also an interesting addition to the pack. The guys at EM and Trek were very informative indeed. I picked up an EM Jet on a sale from a dealer. That is my bike of choice right now. Rear hub motor and very zippy ride. During the warm season, I biked mostly on NBT, Green Bay Trail etc. Very impressed with the performance. I think now I'll be looking at a second ride soon.
How do you like your Trek conduit? Is it meeting your expectations? Ride safe! Bob A.

RITIREDVET
2 months ago

Sorry for the long hiatus everybody,had a lot of family obligations to take of over the past several months.
Last time I posted I was looking for a discount for a leftover trek xm700 but to no avail.So I got a real good
deal on a trek conduit(almost half off).I really wanted a speed pedelec but I'm more than happy with what I got.
Only thing I did'nt like about it was the very harsh ride because of the steel fork(I was used to carbon fiber in the past)
So I swapped out for a mono shock front fork like the one used on the xm700,it makes all the difference in the world.
Oh yeah, also went to the e-bike expo in Lincolnwood,Il.which helped me make up my mind.What a great show that was,
I think I rode almost everything they had out there.For anybody thats thinking about an e-bike this is THE place to go!!
Will try to post some pics if I can figure it out.Good day to everybody and please stay warm.
P.S.Hey Bob,did you get that deal on a Bulls?Also is that a KTM in your avitar pic?
Ron

MLB
3 months ago

Wow, you picked some real interesting choices! Are you even aware that GenZ is Manhindra (sp) one of the largest manufacturers of heavy equipment and automobiles in the world. Don't think they are going anywhere.
Bulls is one of the real success stories of Ebikes, Specialized(!), Scott (HUGE in Europe), Stromer!!, Haibike!!!!!!!!!!! LOL, you're killing me here. You do realize you've listed all of the biggest, most successful Ebike companies out there as going to be gone............... Trek?? If it doens't go well? ALL the "New" big boys have been selling Ebikes in other countries for YEARS, including Trek. Scott and others have said they may be Ebike ONLY in the future. Sales are PROPPING UP REGULAR BIKE COMPANIES....
Flip your idea 180 degrees and You've made a pretty good list of the companies that will be kicking ass with Ebikes in the next 10 years.

EbikesRock
4 months ago

Pedego a tiny brand? I just saw a press release that they now have 111 stores. They have passionate and committed store owners.

Most of their customers love their Pedego bikes and love the brand. They resemble the Harley Davidson motorcycle culture. They just did a owners group ride and 500 owners showed up. I wouldn’t count them out.

The euro ebikes you listed can’t seem to get much distribution in the US and are very pricey. Trek has the best chance competing with Pedego because they have lots of dealers.

Nobody markets like Pedego and it looks like they hired Bill Shatner as their spokesman.

I build my own ebikes but my wife wants Pedego. She will be getting one for Christmas.

Mike's E-Bikes
4 months ago

Here's the problem. E-Bike sales represent less than 200,000 units per year in the US, which is roughly 1% to MAYBE 2% of bike sales in the US. (Roughly 17 to 18 million regular bikes are sold here per year). The entire base of regular bikes is still out there, and is in the 10's of millions. And adding to that by at least 18 to 20 million every year. If the concept really catches on, there is a whole slew of developers out there VERY likely to surpass what's being done with e-bikes from the factory, and have kits that are easier and easier to mount, and decrease in packaging size and cost, to the point where most people who would consider the advantages will opt for a kit that will end up being less than 25% of the cost of a new e-bike within only a few years. The ONLY way more of the 98% of the population of units sold is going to be tapped into, is if the prices for e-bikes drop materially. Thus there will NOT be enough in it for the current business model structures of many of the companies I have listed such as Pedego, Genze, Evelo, and on and on and on. Genze is a $6 billion dollar company, the so few sales they get of bikes isn't even a rounding error from an entire years worth of ebike sales, to a week's worth of their other product sales. Ive worked for big companies much bigger than Genze, and small than them. If the sales dont amount to much more than a rounding error for more than 5 years, they'll drop it. Thus, They'll NEVER be a ebike company that can be taken seriously. Especially not with 2 models, introduced once every 3 years. So what you aren't factoring in, is not just the fact that there isn't enough $ sales per year for most of the 90 brands to stay in business, but kit sales are the most likely category to see massive innovation improvement, and hit the price points that will make the masses decide to jump in. Sondors has a great price point, but by and large people know their ebike can't be taken seriously as a quality ebike at such a low price point. But a damn good kit, that's dirt simple to install, is going to be developed, that will be at great price point, still have good margin, and will work on the bikes that people already love, that are sitting in their garages unused for various reasons. All the signs are already pointing that direction. I see more and more people everyday asking for me to convert their bike, rather than buy an entire new ebike. People are going to dust off their old bikes they haven't ridden, that they previously loved, and actually fit, and ride them with the new e assist. Thats going to wipe out a lot of also rans, and going to force the players who are charging $3000 to $5000 to significantly drop their prices, OR just get out of the business. Kit sales with really less than desirable characteristics are easily in the millions here in the US already. Trek could easily be one of those firms who decides there is just not enough sales in it or that price points are too low for them to sell any meaningful number that can impact their top line, and as well it could happen to some other 'name' brands. And the demand here in the US will NEVER be like Europe, because our entire infrastructure is CAR oriented, not bike oriented, and our CULTURE is car oriented NOT bike oriented. While I applaud efforts like PeopleforBikes.org, the changes on bike paths and such are so small and so slow to develop, and take years of battling the cities, towns, muni's and so on, that we are talking decades of 5, 6 , 7 at least before we see enough impact on infrastructure to actually make it convenient enough for people to use bikes vs cars. And by then, (2 or 3 decades at most) we will have all sorts of EV's that will be much lighter and smaller than current cars, yet not considered 'bikes', that it's very likely 'e-bike sales' will plateau in the very low 20% range of all bike sales in terms of units sold per year.

86 and still kicking
4 months ago

Serious disagreement with the assumptions and the list. Direct to consumer, online, and mobile delivery are the future of the market. Pedego is a tiny little brand that just happens to be the largest seller of eBikes in the United States. Companies like Stromer, Reise and Muller, KTM and others have very marginal operations in North America. Genze is a tiny little international company that happens to be larger than just about all the vendors combined.

Mike's E-Bikes
4 months ago

Hard to predict what brands will stick around, but the brands that survive will have the best business model, and not necessarily the best product.

What will surprise people the most, is that many brands that SEEM to have popularity now, are most likely NOT the ones that will survive. Precisely because their business models don't allow dealers to make enough to even live on, or are just poor, or they are naively going direct to market on-line.

These brands in no particular order that will most likely struggle:
Evelo
Pedego
Juiced
GoCycle
BigCat
BikTrix
BionX
Dillenger
E-Joe
E-Rad
Prodigy
eVox
Ez-Pedelar
Genze
Grace
Igo
IZip
IES
Jetson
Leed
Motiv
OHM
OptiBike
Populo
Prodecotech
Riide
Sondors
Stealth
SuperPedestrian
VoltBike
Wallerang
Van Moof

There's at least 50 more, than aren't worth even mentioning.

Survivors could be, IF they even decide to keep doing e-bikes:
Bulls
Specialized
Giant
Scott
Worksman
Stromer
Haibike
Schwinn
KTM
Focus
Emotion
Cube
Reise & Muller
Benelli
Yamaha
Trek (though the name may stay, they may dump ebikes if it doesn't go well)

Some names may survive and get bought out, if they have some sort of unique niche they've captured.

None of the above matters anyway, as I predict hundreds more new names will be forthcoming, until the market gets this right. Its WAY too early to speculate on any of this, but it might be interesting to look back in 5 years to see if any of this was right, or wrong.

TrevorB
4 months ago

I've bosch CX with 11spd XT, no shift detecting that I've notice. I'm always careful not to shift under heavy load, better up the assist than down shift on unexpected climb. Never upshift more than one gear at time under load and try to stop pedalling, motor will run on for second and complete shift.

From what I've read SRAM EX1 is design to shift under heavy load at max assist, downside is big ratio jumps between gears. I'm always moving between lowest 4 gears on sunrace 11-46t and find spacing perfect so expect the EX1 is not for me. Try avoid using 46t to much as it is alloy compared to steel for rest of cassette.

The CX drive does like its chains, around 400miles for KTM e11 with lot of MTBing, but the grin factor is worth every penny.

As for Di2 doubt extra price is worth extra price on 1x11 for ebike, especially when manual XT is so good. Where Di2 shines is on 2x10 or 2x11, the lever controls both derailleurs. Will shift front derailleur and rear at same time so there is no big jump, its like having 1x15 with super fast precision shifting. Brilliant on unassisted bikes which need large range of gears.

bob armani
4 months ago

You go German guy! You are an inspiration to all of us ebikers here in the US. Those are some nice ebikes you own. When it will cost you a divorce, you know where your passion is. Just like owning too many rebuilt muscle cars her in the US which may make the wifey a little pissed off...LOL
It seems like most of all the best engineered bikes come out of Germany IMHO. Love the designs and the styling of most of the brands. Bulls, Focus, KTM, Haibike etc. Enjoy and ride safe!!:cool:

LeoInterHyenaem
5 months ago

A lovely bike. But an integrated main battery and a secondary add-on one would do it good.
But $6.000-something!.. I wouldn't pay over $3.500 for it.

Aaron D
7 months ago

I have the dynashift derailer lockout, highly recommended, especially on an ebike. If it's off and I ride on a bumpy trail at 30-40k, there is major ghost shifting. Shifting is quicker as well.

ForbinColossus
8 months ago

Great guest Drew is. He really did lay down some choice info. His tech depth is truly loamy

samz1069
8 months ago

just days left till I get my Sondors Fold X !!

Woodenhouses Nick
8 months ago

pretty sure it needs more travel

Mark Elford
8 months ago

Nice trail -street bike.

Todd Wall
8 months ago

That's a great looking bike. Way out of my price range, but man, is it cool. Like this style battery much better than the integrated ones.

What are all those R2D2 noises when we had the pedal shot video?

Chauncey Smith
8 months ago

take my money.... I have to have that bike.

samz1069
8 months ago

8 Grand! OUCH!!

Nikos Petković
8 months ago

my ktm lycan 274 lt is 160mm travel front and rear and the price was 3000€. its almost the same bike but without e-thing and a little bit diffrent shimano brakes and shifters

Nikos Petković
6 months ago

Martin Schmidt agree

Martin Schmidt
6 months ago

Nikos Petković Not worth the money.

CannabisReviewTV™
8 months ago

YEEEEEEEEEEE! :D

Nick Read
8 months ago

Other manufacturers still can't beat the specialized's brilliant turbo levo expert 😍

Woodenhouses Nick
8 months ago

definitely, and levo looks so much better, expected more from ktm

A H
8 months ago

*_Creaking Hell!!_*

Michigan Mister
8 months ago

frankly unimpressed. appears a hurriedly mish mash of components tossed together. KTM, usually well thought out products, has a ways to go with this one. looks like they were going for high end pricing without thought of design?

Alex Vafiadis
8 months ago

It is not a matter of ignoring the bob because it is electric. The bob is actually less. The power component that comes from the engine has no bob.

MrCBseay
8 months ago

It's spelled like "Makina" by the way! Is italian word for machine! :-)

MrCBseay
8 months ago

Sorry my mistake! I wanted to say that it's pronounced "Makina"....

Ian Paul
8 months ago

KTM spell it Macina - not surprising as they are not an Italian outfit. They are based in Austria.

ElectricBikeReview.com
8 months ago

Oh... awkward! Sorry XD