BionX P-350 Review

Bionx P 350 Electric Bike Kit Review 1
Surley Pugsley Bionx Pl 350
Surley Pugsley Bionx Pl 350 Dd Motor
Surley Pugsley Bionx Pl 350 48v Battery
Surley Pugsley Bionx Pl 350 Display Panel
Surley Pugsley Bionx Pl 350 Throttle Control
Surley Pugsley Bionx Pl 350 Disc Brake
Surley Pugsley Bionx Pl 350 Cassette
Bionx P 350 Electric Bike Kit Review 1
Surley Pugsley Bionx Pl 350
Surley Pugsley Bionx Pl 350 Dd Motor
Surley Pugsley Bionx Pl 350 48v Battery
Surley Pugsley Bionx Pl 350 Display Panel
Surley Pugsley Bionx Pl 350 Throttle Control
Surley Pugsley Bionx Pl 350 Disc Brake
Surley Pugsley Bionx Pl 350 Cassette

Summary

  • A more affordable, less powerful electric drive kit from BionX with rear-mount battery design only
  • G2 console offers four levels of assist, four levels of regen and throttle mode with break-out button pad
  • 36 volt system is less powerful than the S 350 series which uses 48 volts but still capable and reliable

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Introduction

Make:

BionX

Model:

P-350

Price:

$1,799 USD

Suggested Use:

Urban

Electric Bike Class:

Throttle on Demand (Class 2)
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Warranty:

2 Year Covering Manufacturer Defects (1,000 Charge Cycles)

Availability:

United States, Canada, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Australia, UAE, India, Columbia, Mexico, South Korea

Model Year:

20142015

Bicycle Details

Total Weight:

14 lbs (6.35 kg)

Gearing Details:

10 Compatible with 8, 9 and 10 Speed Cassettes

Brake Details:

Magnetic Sensor to Cut Power and Activate Regenerative Braking (Attaches to Stock Brake Levers)

Wheel Sizes:

20 in (50.8cm)24 in (60.96cm)26 in (66.04cm)28 in (71.12cm)

Other:

Comes Spoked Into Multiple Wheel Sizes (700c, 26", 24" and 20"), Removable Battery Charges on or off Frame, Rear Rack Battery Option has a Built in Light, Motor Locks for Security when Display is Removed, Deep Sleep Protects Battery from Discharge Damage After Two Months (Or Two Weeks at < 10%) of Inactivity

Electronic Details

Motor Brand:

BionX

Motor Type:

Rear-Mounted Gearless Direct Drive Hub
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Motor Nominal Output:

350 watts

Motor Torque:

40 Newton meters (10 Nm Nominal)

Battery Brand:

Panasonic

Battery Voltage:

37 volts

Battery Amp Hours:

6.4 ah

Battery Watt Hours:

237 wh

Battery Chemistry:

Lithium Manganese Cobalt

Charge Time:

4.5 hours

Estimated Min Range:

25 miles (40 km)

Estimated Max Range:

35 miles (56 km)

Display Type:

Backlit LCD (Removable, Symmetrical Integrated Buttons for Right or Left Handed Users)

Readouts:

4 Proportional Assist and Generate Modes, Lighting Controls, Battery Voltage, Trip Distance, Odometer, Chronometer, Average Speed, Clock

Display Accessories:

Independent Button Pad (With Variable Speed Trigger Throttle)

Drive Mode:

Torque Sensing Pedal Assist, Trigger Throttle

Top Speed:

20 mph (32 kph) (Unless Otherwise Specified in Specific Jurisdictions)

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Written Review

The P 350 electric bike kit is the only system with a ~36 volt configuration being offered by BionX for the 2015 model year. All other kits are running at 48 volts which offers more power, efficiency and range. The P designation is a shorter version of PL which was used on the PL 350 and PL 250 in earlier years. In short, what you’re getting is basically the new motor design (which is 2.5 pounds lighter than the old ones) running at a lower voltage. All in all, it’s an excellent system but you’ll be limited to the rear-rack battery style which doesn’t keep weight as low and balanced on the frame. If you can’t afford one of the newer S 350 BionX kits or just don’t need the power then this could be an excellent option.

The motor included with this kit offers 350 watts of power in a high torque configuration. It delivers up to 29.5 lb.-ft (40.0 Nm) of torque with nominal output of 6.6 lb.-ft (9.0 Nm) which is pretty good. I like the new wavy design on the hub casing and have long been a fan of the near-silent operation of these gearless kits. This motor activates very smoothly, relying on a torque sensor built right into the hub. In order to make it go you just choose an assist level and begin pedaling. Alternatively, you can use the variable-speed trigger throttle but the bike must be going at least two miles per hour in order for it to activate. Being gearless, the P 350 motor relies on powerful magnets inside that tend to last longer than plastic gears. These magnets enable regeneration riding modes which slow you down when descending hills or provide an added challenge when pedaling on flats. There is also a standard regenerative braking trigger that activates when you pull the right brake lever. The downsides of gearless direct drive are increased weight and some cogging when the system is not actively assisting.

There is only battery pack option for the BionX p350 which is a 37 volt 6.4 amp hour rear-rack design. Please note that the images shown here and in the video portray a mid-mount pack which is incorrect. The kit I was testing used a prototype P 350 motor and DX battery from another kit, sorry for the confusion. Just look at the main image at the top of this review for a more accurate protrayal. My preference is for the downtube mounted packs because they keep weight low and center to the bike but given the lower price and reduced weight of the P 350 the rear rack design is fine and it even includes an LED tail light. The battery itself locks to the frame but is removable for convenient storage and charging. The cells use Lithium-ion chemistry that is light weight and durable for 1,000+ charge cycles and BionX offers a 2 year warranty standard.

The second generation (G2) display panel used on this and other BionX kits is quite good. It’s large and easy to read, backlit for use at night and symmetrical for easier use by left and right handed riders. There are two buttons on each side of the display which activate the unit and allow you to choose from one of four regen modes, zero mode or four levels of assist. You can operate the system just fine from this main panel but BionX also includes a stand alone button pad that can be mounted extremely close to grips and brake levers for even easier access when riding. This pad includes a + and – button (for navigating assist levels) as well as a red variable-speed trigger throttle mentioned above which can activate the motor without pedaling. It’s a beautiful design and so thoughtfully constructed that it works with all kinds of bicycle cockpit setups, not just standard flat bars. In addition to being easy to use, the display panel is also removable so you can keep it safe from weather, tampering and vandalism.

BionX was started in 2000 as EPS (Electric Propulsion Systems) and was acquired by Magna (a Canadian automotive company) around 2008. Since then it has grown into one of the largest, most trusted high-end manufacturers of drive systems for electric bicycles in the world. The P 350 is a unique model because it basically uses the S 350 motor and runs it at a lower voltage. Sure, you get a limited sized battery that can only be mounted to the rear end of a bike but it still works great. It kind of reminds me of video game consoles that play the same games but get new updated hardware that is smaller and lighter after every couple of years… You get the same PL 350 performance but it’s lighter and better looking this time around. The kit is available in a wide range of wheel sizes including 20″, 26″ and 700C and can also be configured to power third party lighting systems. To get it installed on your bike you’ll need to work with a local shop who can order direct from BionX.

Pros:

  • Lightweight, redesigned hub motor is 2.5 lbs lighter and more stylish than older PL 350 models
  • Works with most standard bicycle, including those with smaller wheel diameters like folding bikes and recumbents
  • The battery pack locks to the frame for security and can be charged on or off of the bike
  • Gearless hub motor runs smooth and quiet, has built in torque sensing and regenerative braking
  • Rear-wheel hub motor exerts force onto the part of the frame that is designed to handle it vs. front hub designs, great if used on bicycles that have front suspension forks
  • Works with disc brake setups as well as v-brakes and isn’t too wide to accommodate a cassette
  • This is one of the most affordable BionX kits available, you still benefit from a high quality system just operating at lower power with decreased range

Cons:

  • Installation is a bit complicated, BionX sells directly through shops who will handle it for you or as a built in option on OEM electric bikes
  • If purchased as an add-on kit the wires and cables won’t be integrated into the frame which might not look as nice as a purpose-built ebike
  • Trade offs in how you mount the battery: rear rack is heavier and unbalanced than a downtube design
  • Throttle and computer may not mount as easily to road bikes with drop handle bars due to shape and size of tubes and grip tape
  • This kit is only compatible with 135 mm axle size so check your mountain bikes carefully or bikes with thru axles

Resources:

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Falco Support
21 hours ago

Dear Mr. Nelson,

I wish to thank you for your continued interest in our company and products. Please see answers below:

1. Are you still pushing the six-phase motor?
Our motor technology is based on 5-phase motor architecture and is now patented. You may read about it here: http://www.electricbicycleworld.com/blog/review-of-ebike-motor-technologies/. We have two patents granted and several pending. Our latest evolution called eDrive is the integration with virtual reality training program such as Zwift. Here is the link to that: http://www.electricbicycleworld.com/Falco-edrive/.
Here are some comparisons for you to review:
http://www.electricbicycleworld.com/blog/falco-vs-bionx-dseries-comparison-with-falco-f7-series/
http://www.electricbicycleworld.com/blog/falco-vs-bionx-pseries-comparison-with-falco-e5-series/
http://www.electricbicycleworld.com/blog/falco-comparison-with-the-copenhagen-wheel-superpedestrian/

2. How many US dealers sold more than 3 last year?
In order to stay a dealer, they have to sell a minimum of six systems a year. I am happy to send a dealer application and agreement if you like.

3. Why Trikes, recumbents, tandems, and cargo bikes? What's up with regular bicycles?
Our product is quite premium. Regular bicycle market has gone to very low price points and bicycle owners do not have the budget to afford our system.

4. Why were you selling the product when it apparently did not work reliably?
We offer 5-year warranty in the market. Why do we offer that warranty if there were reliability concerns? Even Bosch does not offer more than 2 years. Why are they selling their product even after having recalled twice? Why does Toyota continue to sell its cars after having recalled so many times? Why does Pedego continue to sell their bikes after having recalled 5000 Lithium batteries not so long ago?

5. What is your lowest price functional motor kit?
Kit is a derogatory word to describe our product. I request you not to use it. Here is the http://www.electricbicycleworld.com/ebike-systems/?setCurrencyId=1 of our systems. Lowest is $1895.

6. If the UK dealer was so poorly equipped to handle your product, why did you allow him to become a dealer?
In business, it is called the learning curve. Business is a great teacher. You learn from your mistakes.

7. Referencing #6, why did you sell him so much product?
We did not sell him a lot. He had a number of prototypes and sales samples which were developed during the development stage and used during Eurobike.

8. Does Harry receive a salary, or straight commission?
Mr. Harry does not receive a salary or commission. He has placed his order recently and is very excited about it. He shared his excitement with this forum.

9. What turn-key ebikes are manufactured using your motor kit?
Our product is expensive for OEM applications. OEMs are normally looking for extremely low price points. Nevertheless, here are some who use Falco Systems.
Terra Trike EVO
Utah Trikes
WeWatt
Santana Tandem
Cobrane
etc.

10. Does anyone else on the planet make a controller compatible with your motor?
No. Our controller is embedded inside the motor.

11. Do you know who Eric Hicks is, and why he is not pushing his "double-speed, double-torque" motor anymore?
I know Mr. Hicks very well. I do not know about his products or his business model in great detail. I am Sorry.

Please do let us know additional questions or comments.

Sincerely,
Rakesh Dhawan

Rakesh Dhawan
1 day ago

Dear Mr. Nelson,

Thank you for your interest in Falco.

Mr. Harry forwarded this thread to me. I thought it necessary to clarify few points as you have some knowledge about Falco.

I am afraid to say that Your facts are incorrect and outdated about Falco. That Dealer you refer to was a great friend of mine in the UK. I miss him everyday. We were like two brothers from different mothers. We were starting in Electric Bike business and he chose to become a dealer. He was trying to get into electric bike business with little or no resources and no ability to provide after sales support. Also, He and his staff thought they knew a lot about electric bike business and they dictated the specs of how the system should be used in spite of our repeated warnings. We learnt a great lesson. We do not allow that kind of discretion to any of our dealers today unless you are an OEM. When that Dealer faced a medical problem, he chose to get out of electric bike business. That was back in 2013.

Other fact is called Product evolution. Here are some questions for you to think about which could provide you some insight into Falco as a brand, as a philosophy and as a way to engineer.

1. Is BionX still in business?
2. What year did they start?
3. What customers do they have?
4. What problems did they face?
5. How did their product evolve over the years?
6. How many times did Bosch do a recall of their products in Europe?
7. Why Bosch is still in Business?
8. What year did Falco start?
9. What products Falco offered before and now?
10. How has Falco product evolved over the years?
11. What other products does Falco market or sell?
12. And the last but not the least, which company has the highest warranty in the world?

Answer to these questions will lead you to how Falco thinks about Electric Bike industry and how we plan to move forward.

Otherwise, please try not to downplay our tremendous sacrifice, blood and sweat, passion, commitment and entrepreneurship in making a small difference in the electric Bike space.

We have over 150 dealers in the US and several small OEMs. We specialize in converting Trikes, Recumbents, Tandems, Cargo bikes etc.

Our journey, Mr. Nelson has been to stay focused and deliver an extraordinary product to the market. We learn and improve every day and we have a very long list of extremely passionate and committed fans who use their Falco everyday for last several years. These fans know about our tremendous passion and staying power.

We have succeeded in making a difference in the life of countless number of our seniors and we will continue to do so.

I do not wish to sell my product to you or anyone. I do care about making a difference in people’s lives using our technology. That has been our driving force and our greatest passion.

I am happy to answer any additional questions or comments you may have.

Sincerely,
Rakesh Dhawan
President
Falco eMotors Inc.

bowzette
2 days ago

Harry i don't have a ebike but I have been studying e-assist kits for a Catrike recumbent trike. The recumbent shop where I bought my trike loves the Bionx and has more than he wished he had in stock=expensive paper weights. Falco looks like it would perform similar to the Bionx but the battery isn't proprietary, but they site states the five year warranty is void if you don't use their battery. Falco seems to appeal to the same market as Bionx. My concern is from reading various internet comments, for whatever that is worth, your credit card is charged at the time of purchase and a number of purchasers have experienced several months of delay before delivery. Sometimes all the parts are not in the delivery and it has taken more time to get everything. Utah Trikes recommends the wired display, not the wireless as they experienced problems with the wireless. I've read a couple of complains of controller over-heating but don't know if this is generally a problem or not. The up side is that it is highly programmable, check out Youtube videos, can run up to 28 mph, and has a good torque sensor which is a high priority for me. The down side is I suspect (I am just guessing) Falco is under capitalized and they use current cash coming in on new orders to complete and ship older orders. Additionally the owner is an electrical engineer, the product may be good or not, but I bet engineers are running the company and not someone with business experience. My "guess" is Falco will go the way of Bionx. I like what their website says about the product and apparently how it operates but I don't want to spend $2,200 for a Bionx like paper weight!

Ann M.
3 days ago

Yeah, Rakesh is very sharp and good communicating with customers. I've known him since his days at E+.
And yes, that is an older BionX system. We've installed a couple of these on other recumbents; very easy, straightforward install with good support from BionX. We're all hoping they find a buyer for the company; very messy situation they got into with GM Canada. Enuf! On to happy rides on that bent :)

HarryB
3 days ago

@Ann, yes me too. As i did the research (hours and hours) It really came down to the only choice. Rakesh is one SMART guy. I had lengthy conversation with him. I am an electrical engineer working for Siemens in the industrial controls business unit. I know motors. Albeit, 3 phase induction motors, not DC motors. He has been refining and perfection this system for many years. There is nothing like it in the industry.
EXPENSIVE! but any other choice would have included compromises I was not willing to make. The open architecture, customization capabilities. 5 year warranty, software, engineering, both torque and speed sensors, on and on and on.

Rakesh is clearly very committed to his ideals. His energy is infectious!

I see a BionX on your avatar. They went belly up. Did they not? That sucks! Their system is quite the opposite of open architecture.

Alex M
4 days ago

Not anymore ;) ...

If budget is a priority or if you live in remote area - stay away from proprietary systems. Ebikes are not bomb-proof and are not going to be in foreseeable future. Replacing generic parts is cheaper in the long run than buying proprietary, and can be less hassle than having a dealer to do it.

I wonder where the OP found all those 5-star reviews. There are no stars in Court reviews, they are neutral. Sometimes even too neutral. And there is always a list of Pros and Cons at the end. When you need to find out more about particular model, there are no reviews anywhere else, other than occasional feedback from members here and short Yutube clips. Endless Sphere is a good source too, but it's more technical.

jhoblo
4 days ago

Hmmm, can you say BIONX? That's what I've got now, unfortunately. People had the same view of that kit before the company tanked, and now if I want to keep the motor I'll have to get the battery rebuilt- maybe not if I want to forgo some functions of the console. I'll take a Bafang BBSHD if I keep my current bike or a Grin kit for the Brompton, thank you. Riding pleasure for me has been based on me being able to diagnose and fix stuff myself, especially since I live in the boonies where most LBSs don't deal with electric motors.

jhoblo
5 days ago

I actually prefer 20" wheels. The fold for 20" wheels is more compact and much simpler.

I actually have a Monty and I've considered a BBSHD conversion, but I've learned to really hate this bike... I'm trying to make peace with it for lack of better alternatives.

I've had problems with the Bionx kit, so even though I've had it for two years my mileage is very low. I was on the forum before with a different gmail account that I forgot the password to- I've even forgotten the user name I used then. I still fight this thing throwing on resistance for seconds after I've applied the brakes, and no bike mechanic knows what's up and I never found a decent Bionx dealer. I was told to override that with the throttle, hehe, but I had it reprogrammed to CA Class 3, so I don't have throttle anymore, bad choice :( Yeah, I feel more than a bit of schadenfreude about what happened to the company...

I thought I had buyers for this damn thing a couple of times, but ABQ isn't a place where people know about e-bikes and I can't sell it for half of what I bought it for, so I'm trying to make it a more comfortable. I'm resigned to folding, unfolding, taking on and off the front wheel four times a day. It sucks. It sucks big.

Normally I have to fold it and roll it inside on my Travoy trailer here at the university, but in the summer I get away with bringing it inside w/o folding it :)

What I do like about it is I can use great tires (Schwalbe Marathon Tour Plus) unlike the fat tire bikes, it's lighter (only 50 lbs) than the fatties, and I seem to be able to ride this on windy days when MrCoffee in ABQ doesn't ride his Rad Rover. I have 28 gears (Paratrooper Pro.) It would make a nice BBSHD conversion, and a straightforward one, too but I have lots of work to do to make this thing comfortable. I just bought Jones H Bar handlebars so that I can ride in a more upright position to prevent my hands from going numb before 5 miles, and I need a seat with springs, as I can't use a seatpost suspension system with my Travoy trailer hitch. I have a bad knee and throwing it over this high frame scares me sometimes, depending on how much it is swollen. I would definitely do better with a smaller folder.

I have to flip the bike, attach the front wheel, unfold, flip the bike, take off the front wheel, fold, etc. so many times a day that I'm getting an upper body workout. I'm resigned to that for now, and I suppose it takes less time for that than going to the gym. I suppose that I hate gyms more than I've hated this bike. I use it more than my car now.

BionicShark
6 days ago

I have a 350W Bionx EVO (s) with the same issue - very little from the strain sensor. Not sure we have the settings right but I can't imagine it being anything but a hardware issue. I had it on BII for 15 mins and the shop said no codes, played with the settings with little or no change. It does work but barely. My EVO HB1 (large) was just stolen - and rode like mad (I had it chipped/unlimited). I got this other EVO (s) off craigs, but it's a small, so I fixed it up for my wife and she's riding it using the throttle. Loves it!

So here's my issue - I have 2 chargers, 2 batteries do I put NEW Bionx kit on her Liv bike?? That's the plan now, it's in the shop waiting a DL350W kit from back east. I like the Bionx system and have "spares" - but... warranty, who knows.

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jhoblo
1 week ago

The benefit for me is my health. I was (I’m ashamed to admit) 70 lbs less when I rode my non-motorized mountain bike everywhere, stacked with groceries, laundry, whatever. An ebike will make that so much more pleasurable. I will die sooner if I don’t lose this weight. I want to enjoy whatever time I have left, and biking was the only excercise that I really enjoyed, but I lived in a rural area where I wasn’t breathing vehicle exhaust, dealing with heavy traffic, etc. The biggest drag was that I didn’t like non-motorized touring, which will be much more pleasurable with assist!

Hugh
2 weeks ago

I started out 3 years ago with a BionX HD 500 road bike, an EVO disc brake model with 700C tires. Rode that for about 1 year then transfered the hub drive and battery into a tadpole trike I built over one winter. 1000 km's were put on the DF bike and in the ensuing 2 years another 1500 plus km's on the trike. Since the trike is so comfortable I often go on 40 km rides with litttle to no rider fatigue. After 3 years the bionx will still go 100 km,s or 60 miles to a charge if I keep the assist low and of course pedal as well. And it is mostly flat land around here. And zero maintenance issues. The 2nd ebike is a KHS fat tire bike I installed a Bafang 1000 watt mid drive motor into. That bike now has 1600 plus km's on it. It gets ridden year round, with the qualifer that winter use is on groomed single track trails most of which are 7 km's in length and I ride these 2 times around at a minimum per use. I did make an insulated foam cover for the battery and if the temp drops below minus 10 C I will sometimes slip a chemical hand warmer into the cover. It also has had zero maintenance issues. For the record I am 65 and now retired. Also these bikes are NOT economical to buy, build or operate in the short term. The only way to bring operating costs down is to ride and pile on the mileage. They are cheap to charge up but since each cost $3000 roughly it takes awhile to realize a financial benefit. How ever the benefits of all the cycling is priceless.

gblendstrup
2 weeks ago

It has some cool features especially when connected to heart rate monitor, offers turn to turn navigation, gps map plus great analytics after your ride. However i found it still buggy, heart to pair with blue tooth second time around after stop start, mph to kmh conversion and frozen screens. Hope there will be soon an upgrade to fix these issues. Last release was early 2017.

General Ike
1 year ago

I was trying to use a different battery to power my old Bionx bike, but in the process, I'm pretty sure I accidentally connected the negative and positive ends of the battery in reverse, being the careless fool that I am. Now the bike doesn't run at all, even with the proper battery. What exactly happened? Is everything completely fried? Are there only some things I need to replace?

The bike was one these four models, but I don't know which: P-250, PL-250, P-350, PL-350. One of the older models if I'm not mistaken.

Allen Janes
1 year ago

do they make the kit far a KHS 1000 fat bike?

Slippschitts Hey
2 years ago

Is it a fat tire bike or is it sort of a fat tire bike?

Peter Peter
2 years ago

Hi, great review, but if you could, could you tell what the average range on this is. Ive checked this info online but i would like to know the actual numbers tested in real conditions. Thanks dude

Jerk Johnson
3 years ago

These look like the smartest electric-bikes I've seen yet, with their chubby tires and their ability to simplify things by eliminating heavy shock absorbing hardware to the bike. Excellent, guys! I'll be looking for one of these under my Christmas tree this year...lol A double thumbs-up! :-)

Johnny Twothumb
3 years ago

Dude, love your work!
So helpful with your reviews!
I have a pugsley and am tossing up putting the bionx on it or buying the easy motion evo cross.
I need to commute 8km each way so im not sure...

nebula722
4 years ago

I like the kit a lot but I hate the two mph requirement for the system to function.  If I am going uphill on my trike with my trailer and need to take off again I may not have the strength to get going. Thanks for the info.

nebula722
4 years ago

+ElectricBikeReview.com
.Why isn't it offered as an option?   I think it could be because it is just hard on the power system to start from a dead stop.. BionX makes a great system, just disappointed it wouldn't  work for me,  The bottom line is it is their company and they can do whatever they want, Just sayin.

ElectricBikeReview.com
4 years ago

+nebula722 Right, but if you're a company that wants to avoid frivolous lawsuits these are the kinds of things you probably think about. Have you noticed that playgrounds in the US are starting to take out swings? Just too dangerous...

nebula722
4 years ago

+ElectricBikeReview.com I simply do not want a product that will not accelerate on demand.  I ride too many steep roads which renders this kit useless.  I respectfully disagree with the idea you can make the world safe.  I do believe in personal responsibility.  Simply don't give the keys to anyone not fit to ride. 

I was 13 when I learned to ride a Yamaha 80. 

 

 

ElectricBikeReview.com
4 years ago

+nebula722 I think there can be an instinct that when you panic you grab the bar harder and tense up. This could either increase the throttle or keep it going even though you want to stop. The difference between an ebike and a motorcycle is that you don't need a license or insurance. Imagine a 13 year old kid who hasn't had the practice and education required for cars and motorcycles who might get on an ebike and struggle in a moment of panic. I think BionX is conservative because they want to build the space and promote safe systems.

nebula722
4 years ago

+ElectricBikeReview.com Why did they do it?  I don't even care for the brake handles that cut off the power.  They don't do that on motorcycles and it seems to me if you don't have the coordination to release the throttle when needed perhaps you should not be on a ebike.  I am not be sarcastic.

vibe2light
4 years ago

Good Review. Makes me wana tour & explore my deeper country (middle earth) Will this machine allow me to out pace Wogs ? 

ElectricBikeReview.com
4 years ago

+vibe2light Awesome! I'm guessing you could only carry one or two with the Surly Pugsley conversion but quite a few more with the Urban Arrow http://electricbikereview.com/urban-arrow/family/ ;)

vibe2light
4 years ago

+Electric Bike Review Yes..in the South Island mountainess region and we like reckless speed opportunities but conducted in a responsible manner. So how many Hobbits do you think i could load & carry ?,,,i like to help them out with their quests if i happen accross them occasionally.   

ElectricBikeReview.com
4 years ago

Cool! Glad you enjoyed the video, these fat tire style ebikes are tons of fun. Here's the full list that I've reviewed: http://electricbikereview.com/tag/fat-tire/ more are on the way soon with Interbike happening this next week... and yeah, they go pretty fast on most terrain, usually up to 20mph in the USA and ~15mph in the UK. So are you in New Zealand then?