Name: Haibike XDURO FullSeven Carbon Ultimate Review
Item: Haibike XDURO FullSeven Carbon Ultimate
Author: Court Rye

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Haibike Xduro Fullseven Carbon Ultimate Electric Bike Review

Haibike Xduro Fullseven Carbon Ultimate 18 Tooth Nw Sprocket With Ses Bosch Cx Motor

Haibike Xduro Fullseven Carbon Ultimate Bosch Powerpack 400 Battery Pack

Haibike Xduro Fullseven Carbon Ultimate Bosch Intuvia Display Panel

Haibike Xduro Fullseven Carbon Ultimate Shimano Xtr Firebolt Electronic Shifter

Haibike Xduro Fullseven Carbon Ultimate Magura Mt8 Carbon Brake Levers

Haibike Xduro Fullseven Carbon Ultimate Fox 34 Float Air Fork

Haibike Xduro Fullseven Carbon Ultimate Tune Carbon Race Saddle

Haibike Xduro Fullseven Carbon Ultimate Magura 203 Mm Hydraulic Disc Brake Rotor

Haibike Xduro Fullseven Carbon Ultimate 11 Speed Shimano Xtr Di2 Shadow Plus

Haibike Xduro Fullseven Carbon Ultimate Fox Float Dps Factory Rear Suspension

A high-performance electric mountain bike available in four frame sizes, stiff carbon frame for improved power transfer and handling, carbon accents include seat post, saddle, handlebar, wheelset and more
Eleven speed Shimano Deore XTR drivetrain with Di2 electronic shifting for faster, more precise gear changes and reduced chain wear, the Bosch motor controller is also designed to reduce mashing
Beautifully integrated motor and battery pack, the weight is kept low and center, shielding is minimalist but effective, unique Sprocket Equalizing System raises the chain and reduces kickback
Prohibitively expensive at ~$16k, the weight is low compared to most other ebikes I have reviewed but it wasn't as light as I expected at ~42.5 lbs, the wheelset may only accommodate up to ~209 lbs riders

Make:

Haibike

Model:

XDURO FullSeven Carbon Ultimate

Price:

$16,699 USD

Body Position:

Forward

Suggested Use:

Trail, Mountain

Electric Bike Class:

Pedal Assist (Class 1)

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Warranty:

5 Year Frame, 2 Year Motor and Battery

Availability:

United States, Europe

Model Year:

2016

Total Weight:

42.5 lbs (19.27 kg)

Battery Weight:

5.4 lbs (2.44 kg)

Motor Weight:

8.8 lbs (3.99 kg)

Frame Material:

UD Carbon (Including Swing Arms and Motor Mount)

Frame Sizes:

15.75 in (40 cm)17.72 in (45 cm)19.69 in (50.01 cm)21.65 in (54.99 cm)

Geometry Measurements:

Large 50 cm: 20" Seat Tube, 22.5" Reach, 30" Stand Over Height, 73.5" Length

Frame Types:

High-Step

Frame Colors:

Matte Black with Red and Grey Accents

Frame Fork Details:

Fox 34 Float Air Suspension, E-Bike Optimized, 120 mm Travel, Remote Lockout, Rebound Adjust, 100 / 15 mm Thru Axle with Quick Release

Frame Rear Details:

Fox Float DPS Factory, 120 mm Travel, Climb Trail Descend (CTD) Clicker, Rebound Adjust, 142 / 12 mm Thru Axle with Quick Release

Gearing Details:

11 Speed 1×11 Shimano XTR Di2 M9050 Shadow Plus Electronic Derailleur, 11-40T Cassette

Shifter Details:

Shimano XTR M9050 Firebolt Electronic Triggers on Right Bar

Cranks:

Miranda, Aluminum Alloy, 175 mm Length, 18T Sprocket with Narrow Wide Teeth, Sprocket Equalizing System (SES) Pulley Wheel with NW Teeth

Pedals:

XDURO Freeride, Plastic Body with Alloy Pins, Platform

Headset:

FSA No. 57, Semi-Integrated, Tapered 1-1/8" to 1-1/2", Two 10 mm XLC Carbon Spacers

Stem:

Pro Tharsis XC, 75 mm Length, 7° Rise

Handlebar:

Bike Ahead The Handlebar, Carbon, Flat, 29" (730 mm) Length

Brake Details:

Magura MT8 Hydraulic Disc with 203 mm Front Rotor 180 mm Back Rotor, Magura MT8 Carbon Levers with Adjustable Reach

Grips:

XLC, Flat Rubber, Locking Rings, Clear

Saddle:

Tune Carbon Race

Seat Post:

Bike Ahead The Seatpost, Carbon

Seat Post Length:

300 mm

Seat Post Diameter:

31.6 mm

Rims:

Bike Ahead Biturbo RS AC-650, Carbon

Spokes:

6 Blades, Monocoque Design

Tire Brand:

Schwalbe Hans Dampf, 27.5" x 2.35" (60-584)

Wheel Sizes:

27.5 in (69.85cm)

Tire Details:

23 to 50 PSI, Evolution Line, Tubeless Easy Snakeskin, Trailstar

Tube Details:

Presta Valve

Other:

Locking Removable Battery Pack with LED Charge Level Indicator, Motor Starts at 20 RPM, 2.2 Amp Charger 1.7 lbs, Rider Weight Limit 209 lbs (Haibike Says 264 lbs but Wheelset Says 209 lbs)

Motor Brand:

Bosch Performance Line CX

Motor Type:

Mid-Mounted Geared Motor

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Motor Nominal Output:

250 watts

Motor Torque:

75 Newton meters

Battery Voltage:

36 volts

Battery Amp Hours:

11 ah

Battery Watt Hours:

396 wh

Battery Chemistry:

Lithium-ion

Charge Time:

3.5 hours

Estimated Min Range:

25 miles (40 km)

Estimated Max Range:

60 miles (97 km)

Display Type:

Bosch Intuvia, Removable, Adjustable Angle, Grayscale, Backlit LCD, (Hold Reset and i for Settings Menu)

Readouts:

Speed, Assist Level (Eco, Tour, Sport, Turbo), Battery Level (1-5), Odometer, Trip Distance, Estimated Range, Clock, Max Speed, Average Speed, Trip Time, Shift Assist Recommendation

Display Accessories:

Independent Button Pad with Tactile Feedback on Left, 5 Volt 500 mA Micro-USB Port on Display

Drive Mode:

Advanced Pedal Assist (Measures Wheel Speed, Pedal Cadence and Pedal Torque, Power Output Relative to Pedal Input: Eco 50% 40 Nm, Tour 120% 50 Nm, Sport 210% 60 Nm, Turbo 300% 75 Nm)

Top Speed:

20 mph (32 kph)

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Haibike is a high-end German electric bike manufacturer that was one of the first to integrate with Bosch drive systems and enter the US market. What you see on the XDURO FullSeven Carbon Ultimate is a third generation Bosch Performance Line CX motor that is capable, fast, and fluid. It blends into the frame, and so does the battery pack, because of the custom molded carbon and dark matching colors. This is a stealthy, well balanced, electric bike with impressive power transfer and one of the lightest footprints of any full sized, full suspension, models I have ever tested. But it is a little loud… The carbon rattles and has that plasticky sound that carbon is known for, and the rear hub buzzes because it has more pawls, allowing for faster pickup. The motor produces the same whining noise that all Bosch centerdrives do, but that is mostly covered by the tires hitting the trail and the three-point sprocket system and chain guide clicking along. Considering just how custom this e-bike is, with carbon accents everywhere, I was amazed and impressed that it’s being produced in four different frame sizes. That ensures a much better fit for a wide range of riders. For roughly $17k, you could pick this electric bike up and enjoy top-end performance riding trail, all-mountain, or enduro. And you’d probably attract a lot of atention, but mostly because of the wheelset. The bike delivers 120 mm travel front and rear with custom tuned air suspension from Fox. The shifting is crisp and fast with Shimano XTR Di2 electronic buttons and derailleur that unfortunately are not running off the main battery pack. Note also, that the stem is custom because it requires a wire from the Di2 shifter pad down into the steering tube where the separate battery is housed. I did some research into electronic shifting benefits and found that some road bikes have multiple shifting buttons (in the hoods, drops, and flat portions of the handle bar) but you only get one shifting point here. It works well enough and allows for multiple gear shifts. I found the bike slightly more enjoyable to ride than the standard Aluminum alloy Haibikes shown in all of the other reviews because I could toss it around more easily. I’m not a heavy or particularly strong person (weighing in at ~135 lbs) and prefer non-electric bikes for jumping and playing. For the first time, I felt a similar sensation on an ebike and it got me excited for the future. My guess and hope is that the molds for the FullSeven Carbon frame will be used to produce other, less expensive, carbon models in the future. In fact, this review is for the 2016 model which has been renamed to Haibike XDURO FullSeven Carbon 10.0 for 2017. The products are very similar in terms of specs but unfortunately, quite difficult to come by for reviews… the primary difference being battery capacity. For 2017 the Carbon 10.0 got an upgrade to the new Bosch Powerpack 500 battery which offers 25% greater capacity. Thankfully, you can purchase this pack aftermarekt on your own for ~$900 and it will still interface properly with the older model like the FullSeven Carbon Ultimate here. As someone with limited funds and an eye for bargains, the 2016 Ultimate would be easier to find at a discount and polish up. Because it uses the Bosch Performance Line CX motor, you could even have your local Haibike shop upgrade the software to enable the new eMTB mode which enhances Sport mode. The bike has five drive modes: Off, Eco, Tour, Sport, and Turbo. Each step up delivers more power… but now with eMTB mode, the Sport level behaves more like an all-in-one mode. You can pedal gently and get an efficient, low level of assist, or you can pedal hard and get 100% power just like Turbo mode. It makes doing wheelies much easier! I really like how it behaves, more like a pure torque sensor, and appreciate not having to think about arrowing up or down on the button pad in addition to shifting.

There are so many things to say about carbon fiber frames but I think Chris and I demonstrated the aesthetics and base performance well in the video. In some ways it’s more delicate than aluminum but in other ways it is just as strong or perhaps moreso, they did not use cheap or weak carbon to construct this electric bicycle. Regardless, I felt a little sensitive riding something so beautiful and expensive. The wheels alone are a sight to behold. Rather than use spoked rims, Haibike opted for bladed carbon with a custom magnet inset for their rear wheel speed sensor. I did some research and found some references to a 209 lb weight limit for these wheels while Haibike says the bike is rated for ~250 lbs. It’s probably not something that lighter riders will need to worry about unless they are really pushing the bike hard. I did notice the faster power transfer, the quickness of the bike, and I came to appreciate how much thought went into how they could cut grams. In a world where more and more super high-end ebikes have integrated batteries, the Bosch Powerpack 400 stands out a little bit, but it’s also forward compatible and much easier to remove and replace if necessary. This is a premium ebike that you can keep going and is for more than just show. I’m not a pro mountain biker but I did take this bike through the woods and on some dirt paths in Brooklyn, New York, and felt that it performed well. The 27.5″ wheel size is quick and nimble, not being plus sized, and rolls efficiently over bumpy terrain. It’s becoming my favorite wheel size compared to 26″ and 29″ and I actually like the narrower 2.35″ diameter vs. 2.6″ or 2.8″ on the tires here because they turn quickly and can fit through narrow sections vs. rolling over everything. This whole bike felt more like a precision surgical instrument… it was tight, fast, and very light. You get quick release wheels with thru-axles, a removable battery pack and display panel, and a hard carbon saddle. The saddle wasn’t as comfortable as traditional rubber/leather options but the thing I noticed more was the missing dropper seat post. I’ve become a real fan of this technology but I can see how it would add weight and why they skipped it.

At the end of the day, I’m not a racer. This is an ebike that’s fun to ride and ogle but I would probably add weight immediately by swapping the seat post and saddle… and possibly other parts. Given the 42.5 lb weight vs. ~46 lbs on similar full suspension products, like the Felt DUALe shown in the video, I couldn’t justify the expense. It’s a privilege to get to ride something like this and share back here with video and bullet points. There’s a lot of lower level stuff that I didn’t cover here that you can find in other Haibike reviews on the site, like the Micro-USB charging port on the display, the way the motor senses wheel speed, pedal cadence and pedal torque ~1,000 times per second, the Sprocket Equalizing System to reduce kickback and the narrow wide tooth pattern on the chainring to reduce slip. This bike takes all of the amazing design work from lower models and shaves off as much weight as possible. It’s a super-model. If you’re fortunate enough to get one, I’m sure you will have a blast, but you might also ride it less frequently (if you’re just a hobbyist) because it isn’t as rugged or durable as an aluminum frame. This thing was really built to race and show off… like in a shop window (but watch out for direct sunlight as I’ve heard that can degrade carbon fiber). The demo unit we filmed for this video actually had some cracks running along the top tube that may be the result of flex? I’m open to feedback and input, my understanding is that paint flexes differently than frame materials and that this wasn’t necessarily a structural issue. The bike had been ridden by a number of other reporters and passed around at demo events. Another question mark, the top assisted speed is limited to 20 mph which is a little disappointing now that Bosch has a Performance Speed motor and this is such a sporty product, but there are aftermarket dongles that can change this (and void your warranty, so beware). I had no problem zipping up to speed and even pedaling beyond 20 mph on leg power alone. Once again, this thing represents the culmination of material engineering and drive system optimization. It’s sleek, beautiful, more useful, and long lasting than a lot of other ultrabikes, and for that I give it a big thumbs up.

Pros:

The Fox suspension fork is ebike specific and was tuned for enduro use, the official website says that the chassis has also received special attention with additional material in critical areas
Apparently the carbon wheelset is usually only available in Germany, it looks awesome, reduces weight, and has been custom cast to fit the tracking magnet for the Bosch wheel speed sensor
Since carbon fiber can be custom molded, the frame is very smooth, I especially like the motor interface and battery mount interface which has some cupping to help the pack blend into the frame, the fork is not carbon but the brake levers, handlebar, risers, seat post, saddle, frame, and wheelset are
Carbon fiber, being stiffer than aluminum and steel, provides excellent power transfer, both you and the motor are going to be able to start faster
The motor and battery are positioned low and center, their black cases blend perfectly with the dark carbon accents and I love how smooth the protective shield is below the motor and how the cables are all internally routed… you get excellent balance and a stealthier look all at once
I was impressed to see that the spoke protector shield was also made from carbon and used velcro to attach to the wheelset, this shield will protect the wheels from overshifting, there’s also a little fender protector thing on the stanchion of the rear shock
The battery pack can be charged on or off the frame and has a minimalist cover to protect the plug interface from dust and water, you can make the bike lighter during transport by taking the battery off
The display panel can also be removed which reduces sun damage or scratches during transport, I like that the Bosch Intuvia has a Micro-USB port on the top right edge for charging a phone or other portable device while riding
You get the most powerful Bosch motor on this ebike, the CX offers up to 75 Newton meters of torque output and has firmware which can now be updated to eMTB Mode which allows for low to full output on Sport mode so you don’t have to arrow up or down while riding, it’s more like a pure torque sensor
Both wheels attach to the frame using thru-axles vs. 9 mm skewers, these offer increased stiffness and strength for high speed riding over rough terrain, both have quick release as well for easier maintenance and transport
You get Magura’s highest level hydraulic brakes, the MT8 uses a dual piston caliper which is large and sturdy but lighter than the quad piston, the carbon brake levers offer adjustable reach and are very smooth with large 203/180 mm rotors
Haibike opted for a narrow-wide chainring to increase grab and has pioneered a “sprocket equalizing system”
which is a pulley that basically lifts the chain to reduce kickback as the rear swing arm travels, this pulley has a chain guide built in so you shouldn’t have any drops
Electronic shifting is fast, precise, and may reduce wear on the chains compared with manual shifting… with the Bosch centerdrive motor you get shift-detection which is designed to ease off motor power when shifting occurs
Because the Bosch Performance Line motor controller measures rear wheel speed, pedal cadence, and pedal torque,
it feels very natural and smooth vs. jerky or overpowering
This is one of the lightest weight full sized, full suspension, electric bikes I have ever tested, at just over 42 pounds, it’s impressive… but I was surprised that the Felt FULLe which is an aluminum full suspension ebike, was only 46 lbs, I thought the weight difference would be a bigger
Haibike uses these plastic adapters that allow for larger entry and exit points on the frame with internal cable routing which makes it easier to service, once the wires are in place, the plastic porthole pieces are installed and the wires look clean

Cons:

The carbon hardware might chatter a bit at high speed compared to Aluminum or Titanium, it’s a strong, stiff,
lightweight material but it can also be sensitive to direct sunlight
Aluminum will dent and deform but carbon will crack under high impact which can make it unrideable, this bike is almost a showpiece or a race-only platform
Unfortunately, the Di2 electronic shifter and display readout must be charged separately from the Bosch Powerpack 400 battery, the Di2 battery is located inside the steering tube
It costs a lot more to build a carbon fiber bike than an aluminum alloy or steel bike right now, because you have to make special molds… so this ebike is super expensive, I was amazed that they offer it in four frame sizes because that means four different molds!
I understand why they didn’t include rack bosses but a bottle cage mounting point would be nice, there’s no kickstand (not surprising) but be careful not to let the bike tip as it might be more vulnerable than aluminum
I missed having a dropper seatpost, perhaps it would add too much weight for reacing but it makes mounting and transitioning from climbs to drops much easier
Because the Bosch Performance Line motors use a smaller sprocket that rotates 2.5 times as fast as your own pedal cadence, I feel like it’s fast and responsive but also noisier than Brose and some other systems, you get this distinct humming noise as demonstrated in the video review above, the freewheel is also pretty noisy because it has more pawls to produce faster pickup

Resources:

Official Site: http://www.haibike.com/
More Pictures: https://goo.gl/photos/KWVhRcMjj1QFcAyM8

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86 and still kicking

8 years ago

I’d like to know how many $16K+ bikes Haibike can sell in the United States. I’m confused as to why something at this price point even exists.

Court Rye

Some people have a lot of money, it’s neat to push the limits of technology and showcase what’s possible… in many ways this is like the first Tesla automobile which pushed how fast and far an electric car could go. Only wealthy people could afford them (or people who enjoy racing or are sponsored). It creates a template for future high-end products which might cost less.

Adam

Haibike seems to have two of the lightest ebikes — the 2017 models are 17.5 kg (38.6lbs claimed, down from 42lbs) for the mouthful named “XDURO FullSeven Carbon 10.0” and a heavier Carbon 8.0 at 19.5 kg (43lbs) is still lighter than Specialized’s similarly priced S-Works Levo (50lbs.) The Carbon now carries up to 120kg “total” so that’s up to 264lb, up from 2016 at 250lbs. I think you have to expect some “cost of consumables” when design emphasizes adding lightness, especially with an electric motor in the undercarriage.

I (far) prefer the design of the Levo, and the suspension geometry wins races in the non-electric version, so Specialized has the upper hand on it’s lower-end model (same frame, different components, half the price.) I wish Specialized could look competitively at the weight of the Haibike. All that said, bring on the comparison ride, back to back, with the 2017 top of the line models:

Specialized S-Works Turbo Levo FSR 6Fattie
Haibike XDURO FullSeven Carbon 8.0 (and 10.0, just because)

If there’s real world pricing, that would be good to know, too. Thanks!

Good thoughts Adam, a head to head comparison would be cool! I don’t have access to these both of these ebikes as easily as some others but there are race events which could change that. Are you in the market for something like this? It sounds like you might have owned non-electric Specialized models before?

I imagine these high-end bikes aren’t up for demo without the manufacturer making it happen. If you’re in the Bay Area again, there’s a great store next to the Golden Gate Bridge, Roaring Mouse Cycles for Specialized and there’s Motostrano for Haibike.

I’m shopping for a bike like the Levo or XDURO. Right now I’m the sole power source for my bikes, but around SF, something for hills means mid-drive and something that’s fun once you’re on single track means light full suspension. I plan on getting something asap for the summer.

I’m wondering if either S-brand or H-brand would sell a frameset and let the bike shop (or me) build it up with a SRAM XX1 Eagle groupo … still insane dollars, and maybe less resale value, but more fun to build up a bespoke (pun) bike. : ) It’s also hard to shop around for best prices, but it seems like the “street” price is considerably less than the “recommended retail” tag hanging off the handlebars. That could well mean building up a bare frame is more expensive than a discount on the well-equipped model, then the bike shop does some swapping of parts (assuming they build the bike from a kit provided by the factory.)

It’s hard to compare the bikes, and it seems like for me the S-brand is a better solution because they’ve got the handling and the design (especially integration of the motor and battery) with a higher torque number. In riding the Levo I felt like 20 mph was a bit limiting and you really hit a wall at that speed, plus the gearing is a little short (so a wider range cluster with a 50 tooth (!) would allow a bigger ring and still have a good grannie gear.) The Haibike, if it tips the scales at a real world 38lbs is a significant edge, but I don’t know about the handling (haven’t ridden it) and it’s more the appearance of a mountain bike frame that’s got a battery and motor on it. It would be great to know if Specialized is close to offering a carbon frame. Some not-so-little things like shift detection are important considerations, too. The Levo doesn’t back off the motor if you back off the pedals (if anything, it “fills in” because it things you’re fading) … it would be great to see Brose offer a shift-detection solution for Specialized.

I waited to see what the April release from Specialized, but the Vado doesn’t seem to predict new technology for the Levo (you tell me.) Thanks for your work, it’s valuable information, and entertaining!

Hi Adam! I haven’t seen any ebikes with the 12 speed SRAM XX1 Eagle groupset yet in person, that would be fantastic… I know you could build it but you’d be throwing away an already nice 10 or 11-speed setup. To build a frame + motor from scratch is nearly impossible if you want Bosch, Brose or Yamaha. They don’t seem to offer direct to consumer, just integrate with mainstream brands like Specialized, Trek, Giant, Haibike etc. I do like Specialized but Haibike looks awesome and had been in the ebike game for just as long (possibly longer in Europe) and has many more models… unfortunately, they all stand out because of the add-on battery. I’ll have some very cool looking Bosch integrated bikes being published soon. One from Lapierre and another from Cannondale. Thanks for the compliments, I work hard on the site to promote something I belive is positive :)