Total Weight:
115 lbs (52.16 kg)
Battery Weight:
5.7 lbs (2.58 kg)
Motor Weight:
8.8 lbs (3.99 kg)
Frame Material:
7005 T6 Hardened Aluminum Alloy, A4 Grade Stainless Steel Nuts and Bolts
Frame Sizes:
20 in (50.8 cm)Geometry Measurements:
20" Seat Tube, 24.5" Reach, 23" Stand Over Height, 90" Length, 36" Width
Frame Types:
Mid-Step, Trike
Frame Colors:
Matte Black, Glossy White
Frame Fork Details:
Rigid CRMO Steel, 9 mm Quick Release Skewer
Frame Rear Details:
Steel Swing Arms
Attachment Points:
Bottle Cage Bosses, Rear Rack Bosses, Fender Bosses
Gearing Details:
11
Speed 1x11 SRAM GX, 10-42T, (Optional NuVinci N380 CVT with 380% Ratio Range, Optional NuVinci Harmony)Shifter Details:
SRAM Triggers on Right (Optional Grip Shifter on Right for NuVinci)
Cranks:
Metropolis Alloy 170 mm Crank Arms, 20T Chainring (Optional 21T Sprocket for Gates CDX Belt Drive)
Pedals:
Alloy with Rubber Tread, Platform
Headset:
FSA Orbit, 1-1/8"
Stem:
Satori Easy-Up Telescoping with QR, 70 mm Range
Handlebar:
Alloy, Low Rise, 30 mm Rise, 27" Length
Brake Details:
Tektro Auriga SUB Hydraulic Disc with 160 mm Rotors (2 Front, 1 Rear), Tektro Auriga Twin Levers with Parking Brake Switch on Left
Grips:
Flat Rubber, Locking
Saddle:
DDK Active
Seat Post:
Aluminum Alloy, 35 mm to 27.2 mm Shim Adapter
Seat Post Length:
350 mm
Seat Post Diameter:
27.2 mm
Rims:
Double Wall Alloy, Stainless Reinforcement Eyelets and Nipples, 36 Hole
Spokes:
Stainless Steel, 14 Gauge, Black
Tire Brand:
Schwalbe Marathon Plus, 20" x 1.75" Front and 26" x 1.75" Rear
Wheel Sizes:
20 in (50.8cm)26 in (66.04cm)Tire Details:
50 to 70 PSI, Performance Line SmartGuard, Reflective Sidewall Stripe
Tube Details:
Dunlop Valve (Presta Adapter)
Accessories:
ABS Cargo Box (Outer Dimensions 90 x 60 x 60 cm), Transparent Front Door with Child-Safe Lock, Integrated Isofix Interface Mount for Infant Car Seats, Locking Glove Box with Integrated Cup Holder, Alu-Core Fenders, Heavy Duty Two-Leg Alloy Parking Stand, Optional Supernova E3 E-Bike V6s Integrated Headlight (Set of Two) and Supernova 3 LED Integrated Rear Light, Optional Reelight SL220, Optional NuVinci Harmony Electronic Continuously Variable Transmission, Optional Hood with Skyview (Sunbrella® Plus Fabric), Optional Flat Cover with Roll Up, Child Pack (Padded Leather Seat with Two 3-Point Seat Belts), Optional Gates Carbon Belt Drive
Other:
Locking Removable Battery Pack, 1.7 lb 4 Amp Charger
David
8 years agoSometimes I wonder if innovation has always a shroud! When you want more hp find a street race/mechanic ! When you want a ebike you have to get a new frame! Why?
ReplyCourt Rye
8 years agoHi David, that’s a great question… there are kits you can buy to convert regular bikes to electric but many of the best systems now require purpose-built frames (notice how the mid-motor attaches to this frame). Perhaps there is something to be said about economies of scale too, these days even with cars, many products can only be serviced with computer support at dealers. As ebikes become more advanced with multi-sensors and sealed motor/controller designs I think it’s difficult to modify them and thus, very few mechanics exist. In the US, these electric bike products are also pretty rare (though it’s growing) so even finding them in person to test ride and buy can take a bit of doing… let alone customizing them. I hope these thoughts shed some light onto the situation, I welcome feedback and appreciate your comment :)
ReplyCF
8 years agoI have this bicycle/trike as a second car for the household. It has grocery duties. An advantage of the tilt, is experienced when riding on roads with a huge camber angle. On a standard 2-wheeler, this is not noticed as much. But on a standard trike, the rider and cargo contents may be slanted towards the edge of the road. On the MK1-E, the rider can compensate somewhat, still be upright, and keep the cargo horizontal.
Other various advantages are that I am less wary about riding in a door zone even if I avoid it out of habit. The chances of coming off the bicycle in the rain is lower—which would be good if I were to carry a human in front. It is still possible to tip the bicycle.
It is a fairly long bicycle, so is not compatible with some bicycle “infrastructure” e.g. islands when crossing busy roads. It sometimes cannot maneuver through sharp turnings e.g. at bicycle crossings.
I have a frame-mounted rear wheel lock, which should be a standard purchase for this particular machine. This lets me park on the pavement, sometimes not close to a bicycle rack. I doubt I could reliably get close to a rack to use a u-lock; whilst not blocking other bicycles.
I had the same cover you had in the video. In practice, while it was on, I didn’t use the bungee cords and the cup holders much as they were inaccessible.
Overall, I am very happy with this machine. Mid-drive in particular puts my mind at easy. The other bicycle I considered was the Riese Muller Load.
ReplyCourt Rye
8 years agoGreat feedback! You mentioned a few clever upgrades like the frame lock and I could tell that you’ve lived with this thing and truly seen how the frame tilt can come in handy. Thanks for adding a lot of valuable insights that I hadn’t even thought of CF! Hope the bike continues to serve you well, swing by anytime to share more :)
ReplyCF
7 years agoHi. I’ve watched a couple more of your reviews on electric cargo bicycles. They are so good. Here are a couple more points about the MK1E. I live in a place with marginal bicycle infrastructure. We’re in a peripheral city, so there’s only that much money and vision for that.
This also means that on a standard bicycle I can cross a median in the middle of a road fairly easily (if I can stand on the median with the bicycle). With the trike, it’s not an option (too heavy, too big); I have to find a different route.
If there’s something really top heavy (human, potted plant etc) right in front of the cargo area ahead of the front wheels, then be cautious, or avoid. Because the trike could just tip forward.
This was still the right purchase for me. It’s expensive, but as long as it helps me not buy a 2nd car for as long as possible, it’s worth it.
Joakim
8 years agoWith regards to the cons: The Mk1-E with SRAM GX 1×11 drivetrain that I got delivered directly from B & B a couple of weeks ago has a bell mounted and a BBB neopren protector on the chainstay. Don’t really see a need for a chainstay protector if you’ve got beltdrive.
Other than that, a lovely bike to ride. Just not as fast as a Bullitt. ;)
ReplyCourt Rye
8 years agoThanks for sharing this Joakim! Glad you’re enjoying the bike and yes, no need for a slap guard if there aren’t multiple cogs and belt vs. chain ;)
ReplyNed
7 years agoThere actually is a need for some sort of chain guard with the belt. In fact, it’s even more necessary. If you are riding at a good cadence and your pant goes into the belt, it will flip the belt off the sprocket, and then you need to loosen the entire rear end (6 bolts, I believe) in order to put it back on. Ask me how I know. I carry a full set of tools with me just in case. If I had the chain, it’s easy to just put it back on.
Genevieve
8 years agoI gave this a test ride yesterday finally after having my eye on it for a couple of months. First trip out was by myself to get the hang of how it rides. I found it a bit unnerving at first but got used to it fairly quickly. Starting from a stop, uphill, while needing to make a right turn into a bike lane was quite a challenge but something I suspect would get easier as I became more familiar with it. As a lightweight rider (120lbs) I found that I had to lean fairly forcefully at times, which was weird and sometimes frustrating. I suspect it would be less of an issue for riders larger than myself and become less noticeable over time.
The next time out I had both kids (18 months and almost 4 years) in the box. There are some mild annoyances in this area. First, the buckles (at least on the one I rode) are “puzzle” buckles, meaning that you have to attach both pieces to each other, then insert them into the buckle. With wiggly kids this style of buckle is annoying and there’s a reason that very few car seats use it anymore. Furthermore, as far as I could determine, the length adjustment for the straps is not easy to access. Not a big issue if you always have the same kids riding, but annoying when you take a friend’s kid somewhere or are trying to test ride a bike. Finally, the bucket is so deep that my son’s head was right at the level of the edge of the bucket. This meant his helmet was banging against the edge of the bucket on every bump and he couldn’t see much. Overall though, the bucket left a lot of space for the kids and extra cargo if I’d wanted to put it in there, there was a lot of room over their heads with the rain cover on, and they did not complain about bumps during the ride even though I felt like they were getting bumped around kind of a lot. Of all the bikes at the store this is my 18 month old’s favorite because the door means it is the only one he can get into by himself. I loved being able to open up the back of the rain cover to make talking to them easier.
For hill climbing, especially loaded, I was impressed for a trike but found it lacking compared to the Riese and Muller e-cargo options that we’ve also been considering that have the same Bosch motor.
ReplyCourt Rye
8 years agoI thoroughly enjoyed your comment Genevieve, thanks for sharing insights on how the child seat buckles might be improved. This is something I had not even considered, also the depth of the bucket. Thank you!
ReplyNed
8 years agoI have this bike, and I love it. It is my main source of transportation, and I put about 2,000 miles a year on it. I use it to take my 5 year old to school and to bike to work. I load it up with tons of groceries. I take my dogs in it. I even have a flat bed trailer I use for going to the lumber yard. I have a rear rack on it and have Ortlieb panniers and can hold a ton of stuff. Overall, I love the bike. But there are a few issues that you may not notice on a short review ride.
Again, I love the bike, and your review points out a lot of the great features. But I am actually considering moving to the Riese and Muller Load to get the suspension and the upgraded Hi-Sync system and motor. I think it would fix a lot of the above issues. The only problem I see is the loss of stability in the snow. Thanks for your great review. When are you going to review the Load?
ReplyCourt Rye
8 years agoHi Ned, you raised some excellent points about a three-wheeled experience that I hadn’t considered. It would be frustrating to hit potholes and be limited on navigating through traffic. I really appreciate you taking the time to share and agree that maybe a toolkit is a good thing for everyone. Your thoughts were very fair and I hope the bike either works great ongoing now that you’ve learned about the limitations or you find something that’s a better fit. I’ll be reviewing the Load soon… just had a business trip that has slowed me down for the past week. Sorry!
ReplyMatthew Agrella-Sevila
7 years agoHey Ned, Are you still considering selling your MK1-E? I’m very interested!
Reply-Matthew
Ned Savoie
7 years agoHi Matthew, I am considering it. I’m in Portsmouth, NH. Where are you? Now that my son is riding his own bike I don’t need the amount of room up front. The only problem is getting a chance to demo the R+M Load or Packster involves a 5 hour trip to NYC, and then if I order a bike it takes 3 months to arrive. I just need to figure out the logistics. Let me know your thoughts.
Matthew Agrella-Sevila
7 years agoHey Ned,
We are in Brevard, NC. But, we lived in Vershire, VT for four years and love it up your way. Can I email you directely?
-Matthew
Ned Savoie
7 years agoHi Matthew, send me over an email to [email protected]. If not, just search on my name and you should be able to find me. Or put gmail.com on the end of nedsavoie and you will probably find me. Cheers!
Tokyoskies
7 years agoI also have this trike (Butchers & Bicycles??? Should be Butchers & Tricycles). I am riding it for about 6 weeks now and have around 400 miles on the clock. I live in Munich, Germany, which is a great city for cyclists. Almost all streets have bike lanes on each side and a lot of the side streets are designated bike streets, where bikes have priority over cars. One-way streets are accessible for bikes both ways. Overall the ideal ground to test bikes and trikes. This being said, you will see a huge amount of cargo and family bikes of all makes and shapes and price levels.
The most popular is the Nihola, which is a really stylish tadpole trike. There are 100s of them here. Also Bakfiets, Bullits, Riese & Müller and so on. One of my mates actually imports cargo and family bikes and his shop is thriving, with sales increasing every year.
I am lucky to be one of only 10 MK1-E (and non E) owners here in Munich and as a bike enthusiast and frame designer (as a hobby), I can tell some pros and cons. I definitely share CF’s opinion and experiences. However, I do not mind taking the battery out for charging. ;) What I can add is, I find the Nuvinci in its current form insufficient. H-Sync is a must, or as a bare minimum Harmony. Proper shifting is essential, especially with load.
The Bosch Performance Line is a tad too weak for this huge device. I guess this is why the new 2017 models have the Performance CX with 70nm instead. Also, I could see the 2017 models have a lot of kinks worked out and are improved overall.
I have ridden a lot of bikes and also had my share of cargo trikes. I must say, nothing was as exciting as the MK1-E. It gets me every single time and I am riding it daily. Now, this being said “It gets me every single time” is not always a good thing. The MK1-E behaves erratic and unpredictable at times, which causes me to ride way more focused on my actions and surroundings. I have to keep watching traffic, road conditions, turns and obstacles way more than I would on a normal bike. For example, the tilting mechanism is awesome, but it needs a few degree more at certain turns to be fully useful. I sometime have to slow down dramatically to be able to steer more than i can lean.
Another issue, the tilting is the highlight of the trike, but its also its biggest gripe. Both wheels are tilting on the same central axle, like a see-saw. This means that anything on the road effects both wheels simultaneously. If I hit a manhole cover, pot hole (gosh) or curb on one side, it automatically affects the other. This is most noticeable when turning over tram lines or uneven pavement/asphalt. The trike will immediately understeer on the front and drift a few inch away. Individual suspension would benefit this trike more than anything.
The lack of such a tilting suspension system also causes the ride quality to be extremely bad on any kind of uneven and patchy road, let alone going up and down curbs (even small ones). As CF mentioned, I was extremely worried to pack my laptop next to some HDDs. Luckily, everything survived. I am more worried about the MK1-E enduring daily torture of Munich roads and bike paths. There are frequent patch works and wavy asphalt. (I did stop a few times, after a sudden hard bang, but so far it seems ok)
One thing I can recommend is to get yourselves some Schwalbe DocBlue or Stans tube sealant. You really do not want a puncture on a trike like this. Especially on the rear.
Overall, the build quality is really good, but execution is poor. I immediately notices some paint chipping of where someone was yanking a bolt too tight. (no, it wasn’t me)
After 20 miles, I noticed that the main nut of the right front wheel was loose. And I mean really lose. So much that the brake was dragging. (On this note, I would recommend to check the steering alignment on both sides. When looking at a front wheel from the top, you will notice a line in the metal plate. This is used to align the wheel with the top plate of the tilting mechanism, thus having a wheel exactly straight. Align the line with the edge of the top plate and then check whether the wheel on the other side is also showing a straight line, as well as the handle bars being straight. In my case, the right wheel was not aligned and tilted outwards by like 5 degrees. I then adjusted this myself)
After 400 miles, while cleaning the trike, I noticed that BOTH!!! lock nuts on the rear wheel where loose. Again, completely loose. This prompted me to check all screws, nuts and bolts on the trike and behold, a good half of them were loose and I was able to turn them by hand.
I do some an issue with the rear wheel not sitting centered. Looking at the ABUS frame lock I can see that the tire distance to the lock is about 5mm, while on the right its at least 11mm. Looking at the tire running along the mud guard, it is not sitting straight, but seems bent in some why. Could be that the wheel is not dished correctly. Also, the 2 front mud guards are mounted with 1 screw only and it seems the top screw is missing on both sides.
Really bad are the steering limiters. These are rubber stoppers mounted on small steel pikes, which are part of the tilting/steering construction. They simply have the purpose to limit steering angles. Due to the metal pike being some weird sharp trapezoid shape, the left rubber had sheared through and I had to improvise to repair this. If those pike where properly round this would not have happened.
I also worry about the rubber stoppers mounted on the kick stand. They will wear off and probably sooner than I want. Butchers & Bicycles told me that I can order new ones through my dealer, as they are order made and surely, I was not able to find this size anywhere.
For the price, some of the components used are really the bare minimum. The bell was a joke and I replaced it with a Spurcycle. (I wanna install a fog horn) The Bosch Intuvia was not really good, so I replaced it with a Nyon. I will also replace the Nuvinci with either HHi8 or H-Sync. The lights in the front are ok, but the rear is a bit small and because its mounted on the left, there is somewhat of a dead zone, when looking from the rear-right. The rims on all 3 wheels are not really good. The joints are the worst I have ever seen on any rims. I am now trying to find alternatives for these. Perhaps something carbon.
After so much ranting, I wanna stress that I do love this trike. I mean from all the tadpoles I have ever ridden, this is the best. I do have the 2016 model and wish I would have waited for the 2017, but too late now. I am still a happy camper and will work on getting the current kinks worked out. My local bike shop (Velocompany.de) is awesome and they do know their stuff.
ReplyCourt Rye
7 years agoWow, thanks for the detailed writeup Tokyoskies, I enjoyed hearing about your upgrades like the Nyon and thoughts on 2016 vs. 2017. In the US, we have a Bosch CX motor with 75 Nm and I agree that for such a heavy and large ebike this makes sense. I hope it continues working for you, or at least making you happy in the mean time as you repair and customize it. Maybe Loctite glue will help the nuts to stay more secure? It sounds like you use the bike a lot, feel free to share any more thoughts down the line, I think it really helps people who are considering the same product or looking for help on a fix.
ReplyTokyoskies
7 years agoNo worries, I love to share. Cannot believe I typed all this on my phone.
Loctite 243 is the one I would recommend. The bikeshop guys were pretty shocked about the lose nuts. Then again, **** happens.
I will receive my new CX Motor in August for about 600 bucks. As you said, it’s a must have upgrade and since it’s the 2017 CX, I will be able to add a 2nd battery. This will give me some serious range, even in turbo.
The most difficult to change will be the ride comfort. I find it incredibly difficult to strike a good balance between tire pressure, rolling resistance and ride comfort. I am running about 3bar (40-45psi), which is really good for rolling resistance, but way too hard from a comfort perspective. Every bump hits hard. If I run 25-30psi, I find the trike too soft and lacking agility. (I also think a lower PSI increases the risk of pinch puncture)
I was talking to a guy on a single speed, yesterday. He asked me about the B&B and wanted to know more about it. He was probably the 4th or 5th person to think that the MK1 has independent suspension on the front wheels. HE was very surprised that this isnt the case. If I wanna mod the front axle to add independent suspension, I would need to do some serious engineering. (more than I can afford time wise at the moment)
So, the next project for me is to add some Loopwheels to the front. I think this will be a good match for the MK1 and add some serious comfort for the kids (and my cargo). Problem is, those guys stopped making 20″ wheels and now focus on 26″ wheel chairs only.
Alternatively I could imagine to change the wheels for some 20″ Bygen Carbon wheels. What do you think?
friend
7 years agoWould be nice to have a Tesla Powerwall where the locking storage compartment is, run wires to a trailer hitch and pull a camper trailer, power it up when you can by ‘shore power’, have some solar on the roof of the camper trailer. With a chemical toilet and some air conditioning, could be livable long term.
ReplyCourt Rye
7 years agoYeah, that would be so cool… an electric bike RV or sorts! I saw a few custom bicycle RV concepts a while back like this. It really got me thinking about how people live and what is possible :)
ReplyFredrik
7 years agoThanks for a very helpful review and all the valuable comments! I have not seen a spec for “maximum weight inside carrier” and “maximum height of a passenger without hitting the inside of the hood”. Do you have this information?
Today, we ride a TrioBike Mono which in my opinion is the best looking cargo bike around. More importantly, it is light weight and the company underlines safety as one of the key traits. We’ve ridden it for 5 years and it holds up as brand new. Doing research again as I will either convert it by adding the BionX motor or simply buy a new electric cargo bike. I find the MK1-E very interesting. Have any of you contrasted the Trio Bike Mono-E or Boxter-E models to MK1-E? Findings?
Really interested in this as it would be a comparison between two really innovative makers.
ReplyAvaril
7 years agoThanks so much for the review, it was comprehensive and very useful indeed.
I have a question regarding this carving (tilting mechanism) – Having tried the bike myself and also a Babboe Carve (same tilting system), I found it to be very unstable at low speeds. I was surprised at how unstable it felt, almost like it will topple over if you’re not fully balanced all the time. Did you experience this at all and if so did you simply get used to it after a while? Thanks, Avarils
ReplyCourt Rye
7 years agoHi Avaril, I did experience some instability at low speed and when getting on the bike, it seemed to tip side to side… I haven’t ridden the MK1-E for quite some time so I cannot be as detailed in describing how it felt, but I do remember having to balance a bit and wondering if the steering was loose or if that was just a side affect of the tilting steering design.
ReplyCPM
6 years agoPennsylvania law defines pedalcycles as weighing less than 100lbs. With this weighing over 100lbs, do you know what is involved with legally operating it?
PA ebike law link here.
ReplyCourt
6 years agoVery interesting… I’m not a legal advisor and haven’t visited Pennsylvania, most states talk about power and speed limits vs. weight. My own experience has been that if you’re riding carefully and are respectful with law enforcement, they are generally very accepting of ebikes. I have never once been pulled over or questioned. Butchers & Bicycles does sell a slightly smaller cargo ebike that might weigh less. I’m not sure anyone would actually pull you over and try to weigh your bike unless they were trying to charge you based on behavior. These things definitely look like bicycles, and if you are hauling kids or cargo, I suspect that most people would just smile at how unique it is vs. feeling a need to question or charge you. But again, I’m not a lawyer. You could always send a picture to your police department and ask. I carry around a special doctor’s note when I ride because I have a knee injury and ebikes reduce my pain. I’ve never had an opportunity to even show the note, nobody has ever asked or cared that I was on an ebike.
ReplyChris
6 years agoCourt, it has been a couple of years since you posted this review. Since Propel Bikes seems to be one of the few dealers in the U.S., any chance you could do another review on the newer version of this bike and also discuss the ordering process?
ReplyCourt
6 years agoHi Chris! Thanks for the request, I am in touch with Propel and it may be possible to work in another Butchers & Bicycles review. I’ll keep this in mind when he and I connect again soon :)
ReplyAaron C
2 years agoI think it would be great to see a review of the latest version of this bike, it’s so unique and I’ve been considering getting one for myself but there isn’t a lot of information on the internet about it.