Haibike XDURO Urban S RX Review

Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx Electric Bike Review
Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx
Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx Bosch Performance Speed Motor
Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx Bosch Powerpack 400
Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx Bosch Intuvia Display Locking Grips
Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx Xlc Tranzx Rr Antishock Stem
Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx Trelock Led Superbright Headlight
Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx Iceberg Taillight
Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx Fizik Arione R5 Saddle
Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx 11 Speed Sram Rival Dt Swiss Deep Rims
Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx Magura Mt4 Hydraulic Disc Brakes 180mm
Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx Electric Bike Review
Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx
Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx Bosch Performance Speed Motor
Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx Bosch Powerpack 400
Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx Bosch Intuvia Display Locking Grips
Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx Xlc Tranzx Rr Antishock Stem
Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx Trelock Led Superbright Headlight
Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx Iceberg Taillight
Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx Fizik Arione R5 Saddle
Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx 11 Speed Sram Rival Dt Swiss Deep Rims
Haibike Xduro Urban S Rx Magura Mt4 Hydraulic Disc Brakes 180mm

Summary

  • A high speed road bike with electric assist up to 28 mph (45 km/h), available in five frame sizes for improved fit and a vibration dampening seat post and shock stem for improved comfort
  • Efficient low-resistance tires with deep-dish aero rims and bladed spokes, keep the tire pressure up for best efficiency and reduced pinch flats, rigid fork further increases power transfer
  • Some of the most stylish integrated lights I've ever seen, they shine forward and through the sides and the headlight turns as you steer, powerful two-piston hydraulic disc brakes from Magura
  • The motor produces an electronic whine when operating at high RPM that's a bit more noticeable on a road bike like this, no bottle cage bosses on the downtube despite having room, battery is mounted to the frame vs. being internally mounted for improved aesthetic like some competing ebikes

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Introduction

Make:

Haibike

Model:

XDURO Urban S RX

Price:

$5,000 USD

Body Position:

Forward Aggressive

Suggested Use:

Urban, Road

Electric Bike Class:

Speed Pedalec (Class 3)
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Warranty:

5 Year Frame, 2 Year Motor and Battery

Availability:

United States, Europe

Model Year:

2016

Bicycle Details

Total Weight:

41 lbs ( 18.59 kg )

Battery Weight:

5.3 lbs ( 2.4 kg )

Motor Weight:

8.8 lbs ( 3.99 kg )

Frame Types:

High-Step

Frame Sizes:

19.69 in ( 50.01 cm )20.87 in ( 53 cm )22.05 in ( 56 cm )23.23 in ( 59 cm )23.62 in ( 59.99 cm )

Geometry Measurements:

32" Standover Height

Frame Material:

Aluminum 6061 Race, Hydroformed Tubes, Gravity Casting Interface, Tapered

Frame Colors:

Matte White with Matte Black Accents

Frame Fork Details:

Xduro Aluminum, Rigid, 11 mm Quick Release Skewer, DT Swiss Spline Hub

Frame Rear Details:

11 mm Quick Release Skewer, DT Swiss Hub

Gearing Details:

11 Speed 1×11 SRAM Rival, 10-36T

Shifter Details:

SRAM X01 Trigger on Right Bar

Cranks:

Miranda, ALloy 175 mm Length, 20T Sprocket with Narrow Wide Teeth

Pedals:

XLC One Piece, Platform Cage

Headset:

FSA No. 57, Semi-Integrated, Tapered, 3 XLC Spacers

Stem:

XLC TranzX RR Antishock

Handlebar:

Xduro Lowriser Aluminum, 28.25" Length

Brake Details:

Magura MT4 Hydraulic Disc with 180 mm Rotors, Magura MT4 Levers

Grips:

XLC Sport with Locking Rings

Saddle:

fizik Arione R5

Seat Post:

XLC Antishock

Seat Post Length:

600 mm

Seat Post Diameter:

31.6 mm

Rims:

DT Swiss R32 dt, Alloy, Deep Dish, 622x18c

Spokes:

Bladed, Black

Tire Brand:

Schwalbe Durano E, 700 x 32c

Wheel Sizes:

28 in ( 71.12 cm )

Tire Details:

65-110 PSI

Accessories:

LED Superbright Headlight by Trelock and Haibike Iceberg Taillight

Other:

Locking Removable Battery Pack with LED Charge Level Indicator and Step-In Battery Mount, Motor Starts at 20 RPM, 2.2 Amp Charger 1.7 lbs

Electronic Details

Motor Brand:

Bosch Performance Speed

Motor Type:

Mid-Mounted Geared Motor
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Motor Nominal Output:

350 watts

Motor Peak Output:

550 watts

Motor Torque:

60 Newton meters

Battery Brand:

Samsung

Battery Voltage:

36 volts

Battery Amp Hours:

11 ah

Battery Watt Hours:

396 wh

Battery Chemistry:

Lithium-ion

Charge Time:

3.5 hours

Estimated Min Range:

35 miles ( 56 km )

Estimated Max Range:

65 miles ( 105 km )

Display Type:

Bosch Intuvia, Removable Backlit Grayscale LCD

Readouts:

Speed, Assist Level (Eco, Tour, Sport, Turbo), Battery Level (1-5), Odometer, Trip Distance, Estimated Range, Clock, Max Speed, Average Speed, Trip Time, Shift Recommendation

Display Accessories:

Independent Button Pad with Tactile Button Feedback

Drive Mode:

Advanced Pedal Assist (Combined Torque, Cadence and Speed Measured 1,000 Times Per Second), (Eco 50%, Tour 120%, Sport 190%, Turbo 275%)

Top Speed:

28 mph ( 45 kph )

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Written Review

Haibike has always impressed me with their diverse range of high performance electric bike styles… They are a leader in the emountain bike space but also offer touring and road models now like the Urban S RX shown here. The first XDURO Urban model I saw and reviewed was a 2015 model that could only hit 20 mph vs. the 28 mph on this “speed” model and I felt like it was real missed opportunity. It’s hard to complain much because the frame still came in several sizes, the cool integrated lights were there and the Bosch mid-drive motor offered nearly all of the same benefits of balanced weight distribution, responsiveness and durability. But this is a road ebike with narrow efficient tires after all! It’s easy to hit and exceed 20 mph even on an unpowered road bike so why was this electric model “nerfed” I wondered? You could pay a bunch more for the 2015 XDURO Race, which was a Class 3 speed pedelec and featured cool drop bars, but for many people the price bump was likely difficult to justify… With the Haibike XDURO Urban S RX you pay ~$500 more than that first Urban model ($1,500 less than the Race) but you get speed pedelec performance, an 11 speed drivetrain and a nicer paint job (in my opinion) than that first bike. This is one of the coolest looking, lightest weight mid-drive electric bikes I’ve seen and with unique upgraded components like the vibration dampening seat post and shock absorbing stem it feels special and really purpose built.

Driving the bike is a 350 watt Bosch Centerdrive mounted at the bottom bracket. Haibike prints engineering specifications on many of their frames that talk about hydro-formed tubing and gravity casting interfaces. That’s the case with the motor plat here which securely attaches the Bosch motor and helps to blend it into the frame and support a custom geometry. The motor casing is plastic, painted black to blend in with some of the paint highlights and they’ve upgraded the sprocket to a narrow-wide 20 tooth design optimized for higher speed pedaling. The crank arms are 175 mm vs. 170 mm so you get more power transfer and a little bash guard chain guide plate has been added to keep your pants clear and snag free… for those random moments when you’d elect to wear pants vs. spandex on a road bike ;) The motor is very efficient but also powerful. As you switch gears it becomes more or less powerful trading torque for speed and is the same hardware offered with Haibike mountain models. You shouldn’t have any problem climbing with this thing as long as you switch gears appropriately. And that’s the other nice thing about the Bosch mid-drive, it offers software driven shift detection that reduces mashing and chain wear. For 2016 they also introduced a shift recommendation alert on the display that helps guide your shifting in order to maximize motor performance. The one downside to all of this is that the Bosch motor produces an electronic whine at higher RPM which can be seen in the video review above.

Powering the motor, backlit display and integrated headlight set is a 396 watt hour battery pack called the Bosch Powerpack 400. For 2017 an update pack is being offered with 500 watt hours and the Urban S RX interface is forward compatible. Expect 30 plus miles per charge with the standard pack but rest assured that replacement packs will be easy to find along with upgrades if you tend to ride further. The pack locks securely to the frame and can be charged there or removed for safe keeping and charging inside. At just 41 pounds this electric bike is light compared to the majority which weigh between 50 and 60 lbs. And when you take that battery pack off it reduces a further 5.3 lbs. With quick release wheels, that removable pack and a traditional diamond “high-step” frame, this is an easy bike to mount on most car, train and bus racks. Overall, I think they did an excellent job with the paint on the bike helping to blend the motor and battery in because they do stick out a bit. When compared to some of the Specialized or Stromer road ebikes the battery just isn’t as hidden.

Operating the bike is very efficient and almost fun once you learn the controls. Charge and mount the battery pack then press the lower left power button on the Intuvia display panel. This brings the bike to lift and allows you to read battery, speed, pedal assist and other stats. The display unit also has a reset for clearing trip distance, an i for swapping through max speed, average speed, odometer and range stats (which are especially cool because range is dynamically calculated based on the assist level you choose) and a light button. By pressing the light button you activate the front and rear LED lights that are AWESOME in my opinion. The headlight especially, which shines enough to actually light your path and not just alert others to your presence, looks beautiful and is aerodynamic, adjustable angle and turning as you steer. The rear light is positioned below the seat post on the seat tube shining just above the rear wheel and out to both sides. If you decide to mount a bottle cage to your saddle rails or a beam rack to the seat post the light will still keep you visible. Same goes for if you’re wearing a long coat that droops down below the saddle. The lights are awesome and don’t use much power… so keep them on if it’s getting dark. Near the left grip is a little control pad that duplicates the i button mentioned earlier and allows you to arrow up and down through four levels of assist with a satisfying click so you can learn to use it without even glancing down. My final bit of praise here is that the display is removable! Just like the battery, you can protect and store it separately when parking at racks in public spaces.

Even though I probably wouldn’t ride this bike daily for commuting and I wouldn’t want it to be my only electric bike because I love mountain biking and trail riding… I can’t help but want to buy this thing. It looks so cool and is so nimble and responsive, it just rocks! I’ve owned several non-electric road bikes over the years including a Specialized Tarmac Expert and one of my favorite experiences is that light weight super fast acceleration. While it’s not exactly the same feeling on this or most electric road bikes due to their weight, it is definitely close and even more enjoyable in its own way. Sure, I wish this thing had bottle cage bosses and yes the battery stands out a bit blowing your cover that it’s electric, indeed the motor produces a different sound that’s more audible here than on some of the mountain bikes with knobby tires but for what it is, this thing is a blast. Maybe you’ve got friends who get out road biking more than you’re able to and you struggle to keep up or always have to draft instead of leading. Maybe you’ve got an injury or live in a place where it’s super windy or hilly. I guarantee you’ll still get an excellent cardio workout with this bike and you can go way faster than 28 mph on descent so it comes back to empowering you to ride further or in ways that you enjoy. Not only is this a special build, the fact that it comes in so many sizes and from a reputable brand with a solid warranty and distribution in the US really helps to justify the price. It’s easy to spend way more than $5k on traditional road bikes so getting an industry leading drive system from Bosch here and the electronic extras makes it an exciting high value product to me.

Pros:

  • Weighing in at just ~41 pounds this is one of the lighter electric bikes I’ve tested, especially for a mid-drive using the Bosch drive system
  • I love that it’s setup with the Bosch Performance Speed motor to reach ~28 mph vs. just 20 mph with older Haibike XDURO Urban models… this is basically a road bike and the efficient wheels and tires are perfect for faster riding
  • Cool integrated lights, not only are they securely attached to the frame and powered directly by the ebike battery but they are aerodynamic, side-visible and the headlight turns as you steer and can be angled up or down
  • Unique stylized frame with internally routed cables and wires, available in five sizes for improved fit… I like how the seat stays are positioned a bit lower making room for the taller backlight
  • Premium DT Swiss deep-dish wheelset with bladed aerodynamic spokes help you cut through the air at high speed, the fork is also an aero design
  • Quick release wheels front and rear, removable battery and removable display panel make the bike easy to work on, transport or lockup more securely
  • The drivetrain is geared for higher speed with a 20 tooth chainring (which spins at 2x) and the 11 speed cassette gives you a nice range of pedal speeds, it was designed to work well with the Bosch Performance Speed drive
  • Given that this bike has eleven gears and gets assist up to 28 mph (45 km/h) I love that the drive system offers shift sensing
  • Excellent weight distribution with both the motor and battery pack mounted low and centrally on the frame, this improves handling and makes lifting the bike more natural if you have to carry it up stairs
  • With electric bikes, especially those meant for road riding at high speed, the cracks and bumps can really take a tole on your arms, back and neck so I love that this bike comes with a shock absorbing stem! Consider adding a 31.6 mm seat post suspension like this aftermarket for even smoother rides… I would definitely add this myself given the narrow low-resistant tires and rigid fork (even though they call it anti-shock)
  • I love the integrated chain guard (keeps your pants clean and snag free as well as reducing drops) and the narrow-wide tooth pattern on the front sprocket, this will reduce the potential for chain slipping over bumps, nice Neoprene slap guard on the right chainstay as well

Cons:

  • The Bosch drive system is efficient and very responsive but produces a more noticeable whirring sound (especially at high RPM operation) and with a road bike like this with smooth tires that noise is a bit more noticeable than on mountain bikes that have knobby tires
  • I like how well integrated the brake lines, shifter cables and electronic wires are as well as how the motor becomes part of the frame (replacing the bottom bracket) but the battery pack stick out a bit, it isn’t as hidden and might “give away” that you’re on an ebike compared to some other models like the Specialized Turbo and Vado or Stromer ST1 and ST2 where the battery is inside the downtube
  • I really feel like they could have fit bottle cage bosses on the seat tube… there seems like a lot of space and this would have been very handy for bringing along a lock, mini-pump or fluids in a water bottle, consider a saddle rail adapter for carrying two bottles like this
  • Given that this is an electric road bike and you might be able to ride further, it’s too bad there aren’t bosses for adding a rear rack for carrying a trunk bag or panniers, the seat stays are untraditional so it might not work anyway (and would probably block the light), you could use a beam rack if you really needed the ability to carry stuff
  • Because this bike uses such narrow tires it’s important to make sure you’ve got them inflated between the recommended 65-110 PSI avoid pinch flats, this is especially relevant given that the heavier weight of the bike compared to unpowered road bicycles

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Tom Greene
1 month ago

I would like to comment on what it is like to ride a bike like this from a road cyclist's perspective. I recently bought the 2015 Haibike Urban Xduro, a similar design but it looks like the XDURO Urban S RX has upgraded components and wheels. That is a good thing.

First off, this is the most expensive bike I have bought (mine was about $3300 on close out) and many regular road bikes in the $1500 - 2000 range have considerably higher quality parts. The wheels are especially basic (including cheesy, easily bent rotors) on mine, and hopefully the Urban S RX has better ones.

I got the bike for high speed commuting, and it is OK for that. I have been doing a mix of bike and car commuting, 16 - 20 mi with several hundred feet of climbing each way on semi-rural to semi-urban roads on the SF Peninsula. This was taking about 60 minutes riding time or a bit more and I can shave about 12 min off each way on the Haibike. My heart rate monitor suggests that I ride at least as hard on the Haibike - my Strava suffer scores are often higher than commuting on my regular bike. I now commute by bike (mostly the Habike) more often.

The bike is adequate but I really had to work to get a decent fit and riding setup. You can really tell that Haibike isn't a real bike company from the design and how the spec out their bikes. Court has rightly mentioned the lack of bottle mounts. Putting a triathlon-type seat mount on works, but this obscures the taillight. I ride a 52 cm road bike and got the 50 cm Haibike, but the stack height of my Urban (same frame used on many Haibikes) was much too high - about 56 cm I think, vs, about 52 cm on a road bike. The reach is a bit short too, so I had to get a 17deg 130 mm stem and flip it over to get negative rise. The other major beef is that they put 175 mm cranks on even their smallest bikes. That is criminal - cranks that long really mess up your hip angle and prevent you from getting low and aero. The bars have a tilt up that makes it awkward to keep your hands on the grips without rotting the bars back toward the sides, decreasing reach even further. I was able to get reasonable extension, weight balance, and posture by putting short mtn bike ends in the middle of the bars (just inside of the brake levers) and switching to 170 mm crank arms (only about $65 for the crank arms).

I think that the Bosch mid-drive is good for 'real' cyclists. Unlike Yamaha, it puts out high power at 100+ RPM, so it feels pretty natural. I like that it doesn't put out power until you spin it a revolution or so; this allows doing track stands at red lights without the bike taking off. You really do want to get a Class 3 or higher speed pedelec. Mine came from my shop modified so it puts out power up to 40 mph, and I routinely cruise in the low 30s on my way to work. I would think that a 28 mph limit would be restrictive to people used to road racing and riding fast.

I have been commuting on it since September and look forward to continuing to do so for a few years. I hope that the cheesy parts last that long. After then, I'd like to replace it with one that fits and rides more like a real road bike. Lighter would be nice too. Mine is 41 pounds and is a real beast for working on and carrying up stairs.

Court Rye
1 month ago

Hey Tom, thanks for writing such an extensive user-perspective on this bike... especially given your more advanced knowledge of road bikes. I agree with everything you wrote, the long crank arms on smaller frames was a good point and the whole bit about dialing in the bars and grips. I do my best to present bikes constructively and provide the data so people can figure out where to make adjustments. Bosch motors tend to hold up very well and I liked your point about being able to track stand at lights. Do you wear regular shoes or have you setup clipless? It was especially interesting to hear about the e-bike rides vs. regular in terms of heart rate and exercise, and the bits about Strava. Thanks!

Tom Greene
1 month ago

You're welcome Court, and thanks for doing such a great job of introducing us to and reviewing electric bikes over the years. I have relied on your reviews for info which has been very valuable in helping me pick an ebike that is best for my admittedly niche application (high speed commuting alternative to a road bike).

I am currently using clipless pedals on the Haibike, just Shimano SPDs with light mountain bike / commuting shoes. Hence my fondness for track stands. I'd like to add a few things to to my earlier comment:

  1. The Bosch Intuvia display takes up a lot of room at the bar / stem area, and it doesn't provide a lot of functions compared to a Garmin Edge GPS bike computer. I think that the most important functions of the Intuvia are displaying the battery state of charge and allowing switching between power levels. A Garmin Edge can do everything else, and regular road cyclists will probably want to use a Garmin also to record the route taken, heart rate, and maybe other data.
  2. I only ever use 3 of the 5 possible power settings: Off (downhill and when limited by traffic), Eco (gives a ~50% power boost), and Tour (110% power boost). Eco can take me to 26 - 28 mph when working at a fast endurance pace, and Tour moves that into the low 30 mph region on flat ground. The motor has a max power of 250 - 350 Watts, so you can max it out in the Tour setting if you are putting in 250+ Watts yourself. I wish that there was a programmable boost setting, but that isn't a big deal.
  3. The Bosch drive can feel like it lacks power if you are bogged down at low pedal speeds (< 50 RPM), but even ECO is a beast (more than compensates for the bike weight) at higher pedal speeds. You also feel most connected to the bike in ECO and that is what I like to use when motor pacing other cyclists; Tour provides so much power that the bike starts to feel a bit disconnected from your own input.
Court Rye
1 month ago

Good stuff Tom, Bosch has a new smaller display panel that you might enjoy called the Purion. I'll cover it on some upcoming reviews. It's neat to see you doing the math in each of the different assist levels, I do list that data but I'm not always sure people understand how it works. For a lighter weight bike, Eco can be great and it will definitely extend range. The only downside of that "connected" feeling you describe in my experience is the limited ability to bunny hop the bike and toss it around as with super light weight carbon non-electric bikes. I miss that race car feeling... like me as the engine and the feeling of flight switching to electric :)

Aaron
6 days ago

Hi Court! I was wondering out of your preference, would you rather have this Haibike XDURO Urban S RX or a Stromer ST2 for an urban commute? Play favorites!

Court Rye
2 days ago

Hi Aaron! I'd go for this one even though it might not be as comfortable or utilitarian as the ST2... If I needed it for commuting and lived where it rained a lot then maybe I'd reconsider but this bike is just so light and awesome looking! One of the big drawbacks to any Stromer is the heavy rear hub and I'm not a big heavy guy so lifting it and even maneuvering it doesn't feel great. The Haibike XDURO Urban S RX is just so sexy XD

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Mmomboisse
4 months ago
Paul H.
Love the improvements on the Xduro Trekking. Of course, having just bought one about a week ago, I'm sort of wishing I had waited. But, then again, I couldn't wait!

Really excited about that new Urban bike, too. Can't wait to see what that's like in person.
How do you like the Trekking? Curious how it does off road.
Ravi Kempaiah
4 months ago
eoghan
They have 3 S bikes for 2017
  1. Haibike XDURO Urban S 5.0 Electric Bike -2017
  2. Haibike XDURO Race S 6.0 - 2017
  3. Haibike XDURO Full Seven S 7.0 Ebike - 2017
One more to the list.
  1. Haibike XDURO Trekking S Rx 5.0 - 2017
ZeroG
8 months ago
Thanks for the quick response Ravi! I'm going to document all the options for anyone viewing this thread in the future. The Haibike SDURO line definitely looks like the best value of the options listed below and is where I'm going to focus my effort. First step is to understand the difference between RX, RC & SL models and determine if they're worth the incremental premium.

Ohm
XU 700 (XL = 22.5" frame) [MSRP $3999]

Kalkhoff
INTEGRALE S11 (XL = 23.6" frame) [MSRP $5899]
INTEGRALE 8 (XL = 23.6" frame) [MSRP $4899]
INCLUDE 8 PREMIUM (XL = 23.6" frame) [MSRP $4599]
SAHEL IMPULSE 8 (XL =23.6" frame) [MSRP $2999]

Haibike
XDURO Trekking S Pro (23.6" frame, permissible weight 285lbs) [MSRP €4299]
XDURO Trekking S RX (23.6" frame, permissible weight 285lbs) [MSRP €3699]
XDURO Trekking RX (23.6" frame, permissible weight 285lbs) [MSRP €3699]
XDURO Trekking RC (23.6" frame, permissible weight 285lbs) [MSRP €2899]

SDURO Trekking S RX (23.6" frame, permissible weight 285lbs) [MSRP €2999]
SDURO Trekking RC (23.6" frame, permissible weight 285lbs) [MSRP €2699]
SDURO Trekking SL (23.6" frame, permissible weight 285lbs) [MSRP €2299]
JayVee
9 months ago
Warren Ashton
Thanks everyone!

I have not actually test ridden a Haibike yet. The bikes I have tested so far are: a bike with a BionX system (can't remember which brand), and a Specialized Turbo X. Both were nice, but I've always preferred a sportier ride, and there are a bunch of Haibikes this year that use the new Bosch CX Drive that does 28mph:
  • Xduro Race S RX
  • Xduro Urban S RX
  • Xduro Trekking S RX
I guess the main things I'm interested in are:
  • Speed (anything to shorten the commute time!)
  • Reliability
  • Price (the ST2 costs 9K CAD up here, I'm looking to spend under 6K (4600 USD)
I also don't mind peddling the whole time! Going to see if I can try a mid drive system this weekend and see how that feels. Also I'll try and find a local shop that rents mid drive units. All I've been able to find so far are places that rent BionX systems.
Actually I think the Xduro trekking 28mph speed bikes use the Bosch Performance drive rather than the CX. (snip).

This from Haibike website:

XDURO Trekking RS
With the XDURO TREKKING RS we are introducing the top of the line: with an innovative hydro form frame and an intricately integrated 350 Watt Bosch performance system
that can support cyclists up to speeds of 45 km/h.
Warren Ashton
9 months ago
Thanks everyone!

I have not actually test ridden a Haibike yet. The bikes I have tested so far are: a bike with a BionX system (can't remember which brand), and a Specialized Turbo X. Both were nice, but I've always preferred a sportier ride, and there are a bunch of Haibikes this year that use the new Bosch CX Drive that does 28mph:
  • Xduro Race S RX
  • Xduro Urban S RX
  • Xduro Trekking S RX
I guess the main things I'm interested in are:
  • Speed (anything to shorten the commute time!)
  • Reliability
  • Price (the ST2 costs 9K CAD up here, I'm looking to spend under 6K (4600 USD)
I also don't mind peddling the whole time! Going to see if I can try a mid drive system this weekend and see how that feels. Also I'll try and find a local shop that rents mid drive units. All I've been able to find so far are places that rent BionX systems.
Steve Ryu
1 year ago
eoghan
I'm probably in the same position as you, would like to get a bike now, but given the new bikes are almost here, I feel its the wrong time to buy. The new SDURO line will be an attractive option with a starting MSRP of $2500 for many and I heard from someone in Ireland who had a chance to use it on a 15 mile ride (not sure of the model year) - first time using a bike and he loved it. I hear they will have some 28 MPH bikes staring below $5K, I hope they have a HardNine with that option, as thats what I have my eye on.
The Speed Pedelecs will only be XDURO models with Bosch:

FullSeven Pro
FullSeven RX
Trekking
Race
Urban
Cameron Newland
1 year ago
jrb5j
I'm really hoping some of Haibike's off road models (either sduro or xduro) will be speed pedalec. I've heard rumors this is the case. Can anyone confirm? I'd love to know specs and release date!
There will be 5 S-pedelecs in the US in 2016 from Haibike, whereas this year, I think there were only two or three. All of the S-pedelecs will be XDURO (Bosch).

Urban S RX
Race S RX
Trekking S RX (high/low step) (regular, Non-S Trekking RX model limited to 20mph as it has the high torque CX motor)
FullSeven S RX
FullSeven S PRO
Mike leroy
2 years ago
George S.
Nightly recharge helps a lot. The Turbo has a very expensive hub motor with heavy magnets that cog when you just pedal.

This is a nice bike. Mid-drive is good for hills. Decent price. If you are in great shape you really need to figure how much help you need from a bike. We're talking endurance, really, hill climbing.

http://electricbikereview.com/haibike/xduro-urban/

That type of flight is totally liberating. You just feel great for a few hours. Any kind of light aircraft. Just costs too much.
George,

I make some first order mental calculations with a Google Sheet for Mt. Shasta Century ride. Preliminary guesstimate is 17Ah with battery economy as the primary consideration. Do you agree, or are these estimates way off?
Mike leroy
2 years ago
George S.
Nightly recharge helps a lot. The Turbo has a very expensive hub motor with heavy magnets that cog when you just pedal.

This is a nice bike. Mid-drive is good for hills. Decent price. If you are in great shape you really need to figure how much help you need from a bike. We're talking endurance, really, hill climbing.

http://electricbikereview.com/haibike/xduro-urban/

That type of flight is totally liberating. You just feel great for a few hours. Any kind of light aircraft. Just costs too much.
George,

I can relate to the liberating feeling. I used to kitesurf on the CA coast. I jumped so high that I looked down on the telephone poles on the other side of hwy. 1. Unfortunately, I split (not tore) the meniscus in my knee in a martial arts sparring accident. Much worse than the time I broke my leg kiting. It is a long story, but I had to stop risky sports.

I am considering biking mountains, like Mt. Shasta. The routes in the Cascades are tough! I will map out the routes to get the max grades and their distances. I guess I need to find out how many watts my legs can generate. I do a marine-like, leg strengthening, 30 pound grocery carry on a weekly basis as therapy for knee injury.

The Bosch system seems designed for road bikes. I am not keen on the Bosch for Mtn bikes. I like the Haibike, but 10 gears seems too limiting. I was thinking more along Rohloff-14 lines. The 6061 frame seems uncomfortably jarring. Seems like a carbon fork or shock is needed.

Am I mistaken in believing that top fitness simply allow me to use Eco PAS mode all the time to extend the battery? Or will I need the high PAS Turbo mode for hills?

I think 60 mile range is a severe limitation for a road bike. You could only ride all day by turning off the motor to conserve energy for hills. Adding 15 pounds does not seem like a big payoff, in terms of cost or efficiency.

In other words, the Haibike road bikes make little sense to me. The Bosch battery seems poorly adapted to the road bike purpose. The gear ratios seem too narrow. Seems like the money is better invested in other technology, e.g., Rohloff IGH.
George S.
2 years ago
Nightly recharge helps a lot. The Turbo has a very expensive hub motor with heavy magnets that cog when you just pedal.

This is a nice bike. Mid-drive is good for hills. Decent price. If you are in great shape you really need to figure how much help you need from a bike. We're talking endurance, really, hill climbing.

http://electricbikereview.com/haibike/xduro-urban/

That type of flight is totally liberating. You just feel great for a few hours. Any kind of light aircraft. Just costs too much.
Pace
2 years ago
Lenny -- that's a cool story and a good example of how ebikes can make a difference to people's lives.


Chris Nolte
Currently there are just a couple of bikes coming over with the speed motor, the Grace MX II. My current favorite is the Super Race
Chris I saw there were some other s-ped's on your site for 2015: the trekking pro's and urban, are you just saying it's harder to get those as well? Bosch driven units were my favorite of all the different types of ebikes I tried but they were all 20mph haibikes at $4k plus. Something like the Urban at $4300 probably would have had me thinking hard vs the Dash. It will be interesting to see all these new bikes coming down the line as the tech improves and prices come down.
Chris Nolte
2 years ago
Pace
Moustache has some cool stuff too. Just tell all these guys we want the 28mph versions Grace MX II. My current favorite is the Super Race, I have been using it as my personal ride and it's a lot of fun. I think there will be a limited supply of Bosch speed pedelecs until the legislation becomes clearer. I imagine when you have a 50 Billion dollar company you need to take some additional precautions for product liability.
Xavier Morgan
2 weeks ago

"It smells like a lot of Marijuana" - 18:37

How do you know

Smiling Aussie (Doug)
1 month ago

Nice. :D

Big T
1 month ago

electric bikes are fantastic but prohibitively expensive....I wish the
prices were a bit more reasonable

cresshead
1 month ago

Haibike - they have that 'cool look'...love em!

Jackie Palmer
1 month ago

Hello Court ,
have you thought about reviewing a Giant Road-E ?

Mark Elford
1 month ago

Bike is dope, thats why you smell maryjane all the time....sam brought up
some very important points.

250 watts
1 month ago

I dont like the battery clamped on the frame looks cheap, should have been
integrated into the frame.

Tracey McNeel
1 month ago

Try the Lumos Helmet; it lights up in the front and rear which also comes
with signal indicators.

blitz boy
1 month ago

alot of noise for a mid drive. is that rattling noise coming from the from
end or the chain ?

Rotormatic
1 month ago

Nice bike. Definitely pricey but it looks like value is starting to come up.

I'd be afraid to park such a thing and leave it unattended even for
groceries or a doctor's visit. I'd be carrying three locks and one being a
Skunk Lock with active counter measure system. Also a $50 motion activated
bike alarm.

Kenneth King
1 month ago

Dude I would love one of these sadly that costs money I don't have

harishkumar sen
3 weeks ago

same here.. will enjoy watching..

Rob Pennefather
1 month ago

Really nice bike and great review! High end specs, but come on Haibike - no
bottle mounts and no rack or fender mounts. These are important features.
Wouldn't be hard to include a few bosses for bottles and some holes for
fenders.

ElectricBikeReview.com
1 month ago

Thanks Rob! I can understand the lack of rack mounts due to the unique rear
end (which I believe is meant to improve lateral flex for comfort or
something) but no bottle cages?! There's a ton of space there on the
downtube :( maybe it's for frame strength (keep it lighter but strong
still) but almost all non-ebikes have the bosses so what gives?!

Medium Rare
1 month ago

$5000... you know I really wish you start with the price sometimes I swear
id still watch I just wouldn't get my hope up so much..

ElectricBikeReview.com
1 month ago

I get this feedback a lot... sorry, I link to the review first thing in the
description so you could launch that as you hit play and scroll down to the
specs. I do this so I can update prices over time if necessary and to save
time editing. Are you asking me to just say the price when the video begins
or have text or what? I'll consider your feedback for sure, currently
sitting on ~35 shot bikes where I do not do this, slowly working through
them, pacing myself with all of the typing and editing ;)

TheReviewChannel
1 month ago

Whats the name of the illuminated Helmet?

ElectricBikeReview.com
1 month ago

I believe that's the Torch Apparel T2 illuminated bike helmet... pretty
sweet ey! If you do reviews this would be a cool one to cover :D
http://amzn.to/2g3lNI8

samuel Townsend
1 month ago

Ah this one was fun Court. It's looks much slower on camera but I remember
flying up and down that parking garage. Thanks so much for all you've done
for the E-bike community. Looking forward to seeing you the next time your
on the West coast.

ElectricBikeReview.com
1 month ago

Oh yeah buddy! Had a blast, been holding on to this review for a bit, was
one that I really enjoyed filming with you. Thanks again for going riding
and risking your life at night with me XD

Sceltic Irish
1 month ago

I rly love your channel, can u pls make a review about the new Riese&Müller
Delite Bike?

ElectricBikeReview.com
1 month ago

Hey!!! That bike is totally on my list... in fact I was planning to review
it and some of the others recently but they didn't arrive in the US on time
for my trip. Looking at doing it in the Spring now so keep an eye out XD

Ron OBlack
1 month ago

I really like the built-in lights. Just wondering if they have a flashing
mode for daytime viability?
I'd love to see a comparison between this bike and Giant's Road-E+

Propel Electric Bikes
1 month ago

Since most of these bikes are primarily marketed in Germany the flashing
lights won't be allowed. In Germany it's actually illegal to have flashing
lights on your bike. Pretty crazy huh?

ElectricBikeReview.com
1 month ago

Hey Ron! I'll keep an eye out for the Giant Road E+ for sure. Unfortunately
no, I don't think the headlight or tail light have different functions
here. I could be wrong but the only adjustment I've seen is on/off from the
Intuvia display. Great feature request though and I agree it would be nice.
Just reviewed the Cygolite Dart that has this and loved how well it worked
at night (and how it saves some battery power flashing and strobing during
the day) https://electricbikereview.com/accessories/cygolite/dart-210/

J. McInen (Joergen8)
1 month ago

It's neat to see you and Sam in GTAV. I wonder what NPC action triggered
the ambulance and fire truck there.

ElectricBikeReview.com
1 month ago

Ha! Right?! I love California...

dmitry manzano
1 month ago

How do you compare Bafang BBS02 750W with this fancy bosch, etc. motors? I
see Bafang mid drive just the best option for me. I live in a very poor
country called russia and factory build bikes are insanely expensive if
convert to my currency. I will buy Bafang BBS02 motor in a couple months
when I raise enough money. Now I'm deciding on what bike to use for the
motor upgrade. My folding bike Tern Joe C21 2014 or Bergamont Vitox 7.0
2015. Those are the only bikes that I've got. I like the Tern more because
it's lighter and faster but I afraid of the risk that metal fatigue can
happen and be cause of sudden collapse. In your view, is it possible? Or
should I put the motor on a reliable German bicycle with a quality strong
frame? I use folding bikes because sometimes I need to use a subway as I
live far from center. But statistically I ride mainly in my hood and only
occasionally go to the center when bicycle parades occur. So as you can see
it's a very tough decision. I love and learn ebikes since the end of 2011
but after my last ebike was stolen on the 1st of July 2014 I got completely
broke. So it's 2.5 years already I pedal regular bikes and I have to say
it's very boring. I have strong legs but I rode regular bikes enough in my
life to understand that ebike is an evolution of a regular bike. By the way
I'm 25 years old. P.S You have the best job in the world.

Rob Pennefather
1 month ago

Hi Dmitry! To get a good answer to your questions, you could try the forums
at Electric Bike Review (DIY, Kits and Custom Builds)
https://electricbikereview.com/forum/forums/diy/, or try the Ebike section
of Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/ebikes/. Hope that this helps!

George Herman
1 month ago

That seat looks like a ball buster.

ElectricBikeReview.com
1 month ago

Haha... well, it depends on how prominent your parts are I guess?! In my
experience it was pretty comfortable and just more active and sleek than
comfort saddles. The bike is super aggressive and the saddle sort of
matches ;)