Haibike XDURO Race Review

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Haibike Xduro Race 180 Mm Tektro Disc Brakes
Haibike Xduro Race Bosch Centerdrive 350
Haibike Xduro Race Drop Bars Grip Tape
Haibike Xduro Race Eheadlight Led 60 Lux
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Haibike Xduro Race Pletscher Spring Kickstand
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Haibike Xduro Race Reynolds Assault Slg Wheelset
Haibike Xduro Race Shimano Ultegra Derailleur
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Haibike Xduro Race Bosch Centerdrive 350
Haibike Xduro Race Drop Bars Grip Tape
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Haibike Xduro Race Lifestyle Image
Haibike Xduro Race Pletscher Spring Kickstand
Haibike Xduro Race Rear 11 Speed Cassette
Haibike Xduro Race Reynolds Assault Slg Wheelset
Haibike Xduro Race Shimano Ultegra Derailleur
Haibike Xduro Race String Rear Led Light

Summary

  • An extremely well balanced, light weight, high speed electric road bike - one of the only ebikes with drop bars that I've seen
  • Efficient centerdrive from Bosch can reach speeds of 28 mph and distance in excess of 65 miles in optimal conditions
  • Complete with streamlined front and rear LED lights, self retracting kickstand from Pletscher and two sets of brake levers (forward and drop) with sturdy mechanical disc brakes
  • Aerodynamic deep dish wheelset looks awesome, front and rear wheels offer quick release, 11 speed Shimano Ultegra drivetrain

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Introduction

Make:

Haibike

Model:

XDURO Race

Price:

$6,700 USD

Body Position:

Forward Aggressive

Suggested Use:

Road, Urban

Electric Bike Class:

Speed Pedalec (Class 3)
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Warranty:

5 Year Frame, 2 Year Motor and Battery

Availability:

United States

Model Year:

2015

Bicycle Details

Total Weight:

40 lbs (18.14 kg)

Battery Weight:

5.5 lbs (2.49 kg)

Motor Weight:

8.8 lbs (3.99 kg)

Frame Material:

6061 Aluminum Alloy, Hydroformed Tubes, Gravity Casting Interface

Frame Sizes:

19.7 in (50.03 cm)20.9 in (53.08 cm)22 in (55.88 cm)23.2 in (58.92 cm)24.4 in (61.97 cm)

Frame Types:

High-Step

Frame Colors:

Black with White and Red Accents

Frame Fork Details:

Aluminum Alloy, Rigid

Gearing Details:

11 Speed 1x11 Shimano Ultegra 6800, 11-32T

Shifter Details:

Shimano Ultegra 6800, Dual Control

Cranks:

The Hive, Exalite R Forged Aluminum Alloy

Pedals:

XLC 1-Piece, Aluminum Alloy Platform

Headset:

FSA No. 57, Semi-Integrated, Tapered

Stem:

Aluminum Alloy, A-Head

Handlebar:

Aluminum Alloy Road, Drop Handlebar

Brake Details:

Tektro TRP Mechanical Disc with 180 mm Rotors, Shimano Ultegra 6800 Front Levers and TRP Road Carbon Drop Levers

Grips:

Grip Tape

Saddle:

XDURO Light, Performance

Seat Post:

Aluminum Alloy

Seat Post Diameter:

31.6 mm

Rims:

Reynolds Assault SLG, Deep Dish, Disc Compatible

Tire Brand:

Schwalbe Road, Fast eBike, 700 x 28c (28" x 1.10")

Wheel Sizes:

28 in (71.12cm)

Tube Details:

Presta Valve

Accessories:

Single Side Pletscher Kickstand at Rear Dropout, eHeadlight LED 60 Lux, String Rear LED Light Strip, Neoprene Slap Guard on Right Chainstay, Aluminum Alloy Chain Guide

Other:

Quick Release Wheels (Front and Rear), Locking Removable Battery Pack with LED Charge Level Indicator

Electronic Details

Motor Brand:

Bosch Gen2 with Shift Detection

Motor Type:

Mid-Mounted Geared Motor
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Motor Nominal Output:

350 watts

Motor Torque:

60 Newton meters

Battery Brand:

Samsung

Battery Voltage:

36 volts

Battery Amp Hours:

11 ah

Battery Watt Hours:

396 wh

Battery Chemistry:

Lithium-ion

Charge Time:

3.5 hours

Estimated Min Range:

35 miles (56 km)

Estimated Max Range:

65 miles (105 km)

Display Type:

Removable, Backlit, Grayscale LCD

Readouts:

Speed, 4 Assist Levels, Battery Voltage, Odometer, Estimated Range, Clock, Max Speed, Average Speed, Trip Time

Display Accessories:

Independent Button Pad with Tactile Feedback, Stem Mounted

Drive Mode:

Advanced Pedal Assist (Combined Torque, Cadence and Speed), (Eco 50%, Tour 120%, Sport 190%, Turbo 275%)

Top Speed:

28 mph (45 kph)

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Written Review

The Haibike XDURO Race is an efficient, fast and beautiful electric bike. This thing is a race car with deep dish aero rims, drop bars, an 11 speed cassette and streamlined integrated lights… Lights? Kickstand?! Yeah, it comes with these extras that you might not be used to seeing on traditional road style bicycles because it’s capable of reaching 28 miles per hour in the highest level of pedal assist (Turbo) vs. just 20 mph for most other ebikes. As a result, in Europe these bikes are required to have a few extras for safety and in this case they’ve made their way over to the US as well. Weighing in at ~40 pounds (depending on which frame size you get) the Race is relatively light in the world of ebikes. Because it’s all aluminum, it can feel jarring at higher speeds if you roll over a crack or bump (much like a traditional road bike) but I feel like they could have reduced this feeling with the addition of carbon fiber parts or vibration dampening inserts on the fork, handlebar and seat post. Aside from this complaint I also feel like they should have included at least one way to mount a bottle cage, ideally on the downtube. To complete this bike I’d suggest adding an aftermarket adapter to the seat tube, post or saddle rails.

The centerdrive system on the Race consists of a 350 watt geared motor developed by Bosch. It can only be activated by pedaling but it’s super smart, measuring your rear wheel speed, pedal cadence and pedal torque ~1,000 times per second. Since it pulls the same chain that you do, it benefits from mechanical advantages when climbing or cruising at higher speeds (depending on which gear you’re in). One possible downside to mid-drive motors like this is that they can increase the strain and wear on your chain and cassette but the Bosch system minimizes this because it has shift detection built in. It automatically lets up when it senses that you’re shifting gears and this reduces mashing. I’ve ridden this same second generation Bosch Centerdrive on probably 15+ other ebikes and it performs phenomenally for around town trips, light trail riding and even heavy off-road climbing. To the point where the motor will keep going but you cannot maintain traction any longer on steep dusty paths. The point I’m trying to make is that it will squash any road based hill you throw at it. Don’t be fooled by the 350 watt motor vs. the 500 watt hubs on the Specialized Turbo or Stromer ST2 (which are also road style speed pedelecs). Each of these electric bikes offers a different advantage but the Bosch system used on the Haibike Race delivers as much or more torque at 60 Newton meters, and more efficiency for distance riding than the others. One downside here however is the increased whirring noise that you can hear in the video but a big upside is the perfectly centered super-low weight placement of the ~5.5 pound motor.

Following from the motor placement, the battery pack is also centrally mounted on the frame. It’s a beautiful looking design that’s easy to charge on or off the bike and the locking core (made by ABUS) is sturdy with each key being securely unique (it’s a routed in-cut key like many cars now use). The battery pack itself has a set of five LEDs built in so you can quickly determine the charge level whether the pack is on or off the ebike. I recommend charging the pack after at least one bar has been used or before storing it for long periods. It’s wise to top it off ever three months if you haven’t used it and storing it in an environment that doesn’t get too hot or cold will also help it last longer. The batteries inside the pack are 18650 size and contain a Lithium Manganese chemistry that’s valued for being light weight and durable. It’s the same cells used in electric cars like the Tesla Roadster or Model S. The one complaint I have with regard to the battery is that it is not completely integrated into the downtube like the Turbo and ST2… This puts weight higher up, doesn’t look as clean and takes up valuable space on the downtube that might otherwise be used for a bottle cage mounting point. As mentioned earlier… there are not bosses for mounting a water bottle cage on this electric bike, and it’s a road bike! It should have at least one in my opinion. One upside here however is that the pack is less expensive to replace, being interchangeable with any other Bosch Gen 2 powered ebike. It should should last for 1,000+ charge cycles if cared for and even comes with a two year warranty. If you do need a replacement (or decide to get a second pack) Currie Technologies offers one for ~$600.

The control interface on the Haibike Xduro Race is the same as all other Bosch systems for this generation. It shows speed, distance traveled, battery capacity remaining, timer and range estimation for each assist level. It’s really neat to see (on the fly) just how far the range estimator thinks you can go because it empowers you to plan accordingly and pop the battery off for a quick charge at the office or a friends house if needed. You can usually get the pack to ~80% capacity in just an hour and a half… In addition to the removable backlit LCD screen (which has four buttons surrounding it including power, reset, information and lights) there is also an independent button pad that lets you go up or down in assist modes. This remote button pad is usually mounted to the left handle bar but that was not possible with the Race due to the unique drop bars and two sets of brake levers. As a result, it is positioned on top of the stem, just in front of the main display. This makes it more difficult to reach while riding but is still usable. I like the tactile clicking feedback it gives as you navigate through four levels of assist (or zero which leaves the main display on to manage lights and function as a traditional cycle computer). It’s worth reiterating here, this is the only ebike I’ve seen in America with a drop bar setup! The main brake levers have shifters built in just like a standard road bike and the feeling of accelerating to 28 mph without straining your knees or becoming overly winded is just awesome.

Given the limited aerodynamics properties of a human body riding a bicycle, it’s great to see a product that actually caters to high speed by enabling racing body posture. With five frame sizes to choose from, a proven drive system that is both powerful and extra fast in this case and quality accessories like the 11 speed Shimano Ultegra drivetrain the Haibike XDURO Race is a winner in my book. Yes, it’s very expensive at $6,700 but I’ve seen non-electric bikes for just as much and quite a bit more. They were lighter, more comfortable due to carbon fiber construction and they had bottle cages! But the Race is hard to beat for long distance weekend trips, tackling hills and keeping up with friends who might have developed a better cardiovascular fitness level. Considering the smog that surrounds some cities and the wind and hills that can take the fun out of riding I’m a big fan of this kind of technology. Why not get a little help making it to the hills just outside of town… you can always shut the motor off once you’re above the smog or you can go much further and enjoy the views that might have otherwise eluded you after work as the sun goes down. If you’re not a fan of the drop bars, consider the Haibike Superrace which also offers 11 speeds and uses the Bosch system but offers a more traditional flat handlebar. I’ve created a more in depth look at the LCD display panel from Bosch called the Intuvia, you can watch this short video overview and check out the official manual there.

Pros:

  • One of the only ebikes I’ve seen to offer drop bars! I like the choice of using the drop portion for aerodynamics and speed, being up in the hoods for braking and resting or using the inner flat section like a traditional bike like the Superrace. These different hand positions make riding feel more exciting and offers a nice ergonomic break when riding long distances
  • Light weight frame and components is just ~40 pounds depending on the size you choose, well balanced drive system (motor and battery pack are mounted low and center)
  • Includes integrated front and rear LED lights powered by the main battery pack, they can be operated with the main display, the lights themselves are beautiful and unique (the headlight turns as you turn the bike, the rear light is extra tall and visible from three sides vs. just the back)
  • The Bosch Centerdrive system is efficient, smooth and powerful – it can climb very effectively with ~60 Nm of torque and can reach 65+ miles per charge in optimal conditions
  • Battery pack locks to frame for security using a quality ABUS core, it can be charged on or off the frame for convenience or to reduce weight if you’d like to ride this as a normal bicycle or are transporting it on a car rack (easier to lift, less weight on your rack, weighs ~31.2 lbs without battery)
  • Stiff cranks, decent aluminum alloy platform pedals (that will likely be replaced with clipless), rigid frame for good power transfer when riding, tapered head tube for strength
  • Impressive 11 speed cassette with quality Shimano Ultegra components offers a comfortable cadence at many speeds, may seem limited given the 28 mph top speed but very few mid-drive ebikes offer more than 10 speeds
  • Great customer support and warranty from Currie Technologies in the US (part of Accell Group which owns Haibike)
  • Five frame sizes so the bike will fit and feel great for a range of riders (50cm, 53cm, 56cm, 59cm, 62cm)
  • Nice little aluminum alloy chain guide keeps the chain from dropping on the front sprocket at higher speeds if you hit rough terrain
  • Self-retracting Pletscher kickstand is mounted far back so you won’t hit it with your heel, it’s light weight but capable of holding the bike (kickstands are a legal requirement for speed pedelecs in Europe)
  • The deep dish aerodynamic rims reduce the drag that this wheelset produces, they look cool and they may stand out more to cars and other cyclists when riding in crowded areas (helping you avoid collisions from the side)

Cons:

  • The battery pack takes up the space where a water bottle cage might otherwise mount and there isn’t one on the seat tube, consider and aftermarket accessory for the tube, post or saddle rails
  • Narrow tires, stiff frame and performance saddle can feel stiff and jarring at higher speeds if terrain is not smooth, this is a true road bicycle
  • Very expensive but you get top of the line components from Shimano, Bosch and Tektro that are designed to keep the bike light, fast and durable
  • 6061 aluminum alloy frame is sturdy and extremely well made but doesn’t dampen vibration the way a carbon frame might, would be nice if the Race came with a carbon fiber fork
  • No throttle mode, this bike only offers pedal assist (like all Bosch powered systems) but is capable of higher top speeds

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sam
3 years ago

Does anyone know what is the standover height for the 50cm version? I would probably buy it if the height works (inseam 28″).

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Court Rye
3 years ago

Hi Sam! I’ve reached out to Haibike for you and am trying to get an answer. Hang tight! This is a sweet bike for sure ;)

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Court Rye
3 years ago

Hi Sam, based on Larry’s link to the sizing chart and some quick math and estimation on my end, I think the standover height of the small 50 cm Haibike Race is ~28 inches. That is, one quarter of the ~28 inch wheel height (based on how far “I” from the sizing chart extends down and adding about 1/4 of the wheel height). Note that “I” measures from the top of the seat tube, which is about flush with the top tube, down to the base of the mid-drive motor. This is just my guess using the stock photo, the official stats and my rough knowledge of the 700c wheel size with a narrow road tire installed :)

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Larry Pizzi
3 years ago

On a road bike, best to fit to reach, not standover. Here is a link to the geometry chart. Let me know if you have questions lpizzi@currietech.comhttp://www.currietech.com/image-picker/haibike-geometry.html

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sam
3 years ago

Thanks Larry and Court. It looks like at best the fit would be very tight. I think, I will go ahead and get the SEV velicks 700. My friend has the xs version and that does fit me well – though I wish I could find something lighter.

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Court Rye
3 years ago

Hi Sam, here’s a bit more information on sizing that might help you out for this or other ebikes http://sheldonbrown.com/frame-sizing.html I haven’t seen the SEV Velicks 700 before but just found a few images searching Google. If that’s what you end up with I’d love to hear your experience with it here or in the forums https://electricbikereview.com/community/ it looks like a mid-step road bike that could work alright.

John
2 years ago

Hi guys, I like this e-bike better then the Stromer ST-2 because you don’t have worry about the GSM / Omini system. I think the bosh crank system is a proven brand that everyone knows. I don’t know the range on a battery charge but looking forward of purchasing this bike.

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Court Rye
2 years ago

I’ve been very impressed with Haibike and the Bosch Gen 2 Centerdrive. I hope you enjoy the bike! The ST2 is definitely cool (and quieter) but not as efficient as the XDURO Race.

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Joel
1 year ago

XDURO Race available in Australia?

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Court Rye
1 year ago

I have no idea Joel, from what I’ve heard Specialized just entered the Australian market this year (2016) but I haven’t heard about Haibike. They do have a dealer map on their website here and you could contact them and ask? I wish you luck, some dealers in Europe and the US will ship internationally, I think Motostrano is one of them located in California.

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McSpiffy
1 week ago

I rode the Super Race for over 500 miles and just switched Trekking S Rx (heavier but has rack, fenders, wider tires, riser handlebar etc). Our store tech uses the SuperRace tight now.
I really enjoyed the Super Race and for summer time, it's a great bike to have. 28c skinny tires on icy roads can be troublesome, for now I am using the Trekking S Rx.

Race is not very different from the SuperRace in terms of performance. Both weigh around 40lbs and have great agility. TRP Zurich cable actuated hydraulic ones on the Race are quite good but I felt the Magura MT4's on the SuperRace to be tiny bit better.

There are mounting points for rack and fenders. 37 miles each way is going to be a lot of saddle time. Feel free to ask me any questions.

Hi Ravi!

I hope you don't mind if I interject into this post but I've been following most of your posts, hoping to glean some information to make an informed decision on which bike to purchase. Have you separated yourself from Stromer? I originally narrowed my options to the yet available Specialized Turbo Vado 6, Trek Super Commuter+ 8s, Stromer ST2 and the Haibike XDURO Trekking S RX. I'm looking for a commuter bike that I can also use for carrying misc. gear (~30 lbs). I originally had a Trek FX+ but it was plagued with issues and I traded it in towards a Trek Domane 5.9 Di2. I was riding the Domane into December in the western suburbs (Naperville) but the narrow tires doesn't bode well for Chicagoland weather. I'd appreciate your feedback and also where you purchased your Haibike from. Is it worth jumping to the new Haibike SDURO Trekking 5?

Sonoboy
1 month ago

I'm about to take delivery of the XDuro Trekking 4.0 for on-road commuting use. I had planned to ride a lot in Sport mode to take advantage of the higher torque of the CX motor and my commute has a lot of start/stop with a few busy intersections. Would I benefit from the eMTB mode for a commuting application? When I mentioned the software update to the LBS the other day they were aware of it but felt it wouldn't be of any benefit for my application and they told me that it really more benefits mountain bikers who need to have their hands off the controls over technical terrain.
In a drag race, it's torque that gets you off the line and up to speed. So I would say the start/stop nature of your commute would be helped by the CX motor.

Ravi Kempaiah
5 months ago

Thank you. I had been contacted by another member who has one on his ST2S. He said that the light is better than on his BMW motorcycle. I've race motorcycles all of my life so that was a good comparison. I am most interested in the light pattern it produces and IF anyone has installed a M99 on a Sduro rather than an Xduro. The Bosch set up is made to accept the M99 on the control panel mount whereas the Yamaha one does not. Spending over 500.00 USD plus mount, plus wiring harness for the Yamaha motor is no small expense. So not being able to actually 'see' one mounted and in darkness is why I've been asking around. Thank you.

Hi Mark,

Yamaha PW system can't accept most of the M99 series. (M99 Pro or M99 Pure+) and it will take only M99 Pure which puts out only 500 lumens.
The new PW-X system can't even accept the M99 Pure. So, the latest 2017 systems can't accept any of the M99 series.

I have confirmed this with Supernova. The Yamaha system is not designed for such high power draw.

Your solution would be to try smaller lights like Supernova V521S or V6S.

http://supernova-lights.com/en/supernova-e3-e-bike-v6s

Ravi Kempaiah
6 months ago

Thank you. I had been contacted by another member who has one on his ST2S. He said that the light is better than on his BMW motorcycle. I've race motorcycles all of my life so that was a good comparison. I am most interested in the light pattern it produces and IF anyone has installed a M99 on a Sduro rather than an Xduro. The Bosch set up is made to accept the M99 on the control panel mount whereas the Yamaha one does not. Spending over 500.00 USD plus mount, plus wiring harness for the Yamaha motor is no small expense. So not being able to actually 'see' one mounted and in darkness is why I've been asking around. Thank you.

Easiest way to get similar performance is to get one one of these.

https://www.amazon.com/Cygolite-TridenX-1300-Xtra-OSP/dp/B00E1NPTEE/

It puts out 1200+ lumens and I have a detailed video comparing this with the M99 pro in dark. I will post it soon.

Mark K
6 months ago

Thank you. I had been contacted by another member who has one on his ST2S. He said that the light is better than on his BMW motorcycle. I've race motorcycles all of my life so that was a good comparison. I am most interested in the light pattern it produces and IF anyone has installed a M99 on a Sduro rather than an Xduro. The Bosch set up is made to accept the M99 on the control panel mount whereas the Yamaha one does not. Spending over 500.00 USD plus mount, plus wiring harness for the Yamaha motor is no small expense. So not being able to actually 'see' one mounted and in darkness is why I've been asking around. Thank you.

Shaggy
6 months ago

http://www.haibike.com/en/INT/service/recall
>>>
"...the fork of Haibike Race, Superrace and Urban models show premature breaking when being exposed to above-standard endurance tests. Therefore, the fork may suffer from rupture or a break. This poses an enormous safety and injury risk for every user. "
The following models have been recalled:

Haibike XDURO Urban (2014 and 2015 models)
Haibike XDURO Urban RC (2016 models)
Haibike XDURO Race (2014 and 2015 models)
Haibike XDURO Superrace (2014 and 2015 models)
Haibike XDURO Race S RX (2016 models)
Haibike XDURO Urban S RX (2016 models)

<<<
FYI and all that...

You Toober
1 week ago

Dammit!!!, as of this posting this e bike would be illegal in New York. And even if it were legal, the potholes and craters here would damage it in no time.

:(

Dezső Nagy
3 months ago

HOW MUCH IS BIKE?

You Toober
1 week ago

*Only $6,700 (usd).*

yoma measureacher
5 months ago

http://www.bike-eu.com/laws-regulations/nieuws/2017/2/haibike-recalls-xduro-e-mtb-race-superrace-and-urban-models-10128955
Haibike Recalls Xduro Race, Superrace and Urban Models

Dane Huxley
8 months ago

what's the difference between a superrace 28 and a superrace black? I'm thinking of buying one. both are reduced to $4000usd but I notice the rrp on one is $2000 cheaper

rene Churchill
11 months ago

Can I win the Tour the Franc
e with it?

Potato awa
11 months ago

Can you please review the new version? that would be very awesome

Warren Ashton
1 year ago

Hi Court! Do you know/remember if this bike had fender mounts? It looks like there's bosses towards the back of the front dropouts, and possibly some threaded plugs covering some bosses near the rear dropouts. Thanks!

Casey Neistat
1 year ago

Road bikes looks really nice and make the most sense for speed and range.

slllll
1 year ago

for backpacks look into ospreys mesh back backpacks while riding this. no more sweaty back.

Scott BikeDawg
2 years ago

Great review! I have a question--does the motor itself have internal gears? If so, is it equivalent to a 50/34 compact chainrings?

Eddie Jefferies
2 years ago

+Scott Lum  With one pedal rotation, the motor turns 2.5 turns. I'm guessing that it comes fitted with a 20T front sprocket as standard, which would give you an equivalent of 50T on a normal chainset. Other sprockets sizes are available, either to lower or higher the gearing. The rear cassette is an 11-32

gkstarter1
2 years ago

Hi. I've just bought this one and im loving it! Thanks for the great review, I'll also do my own video too add there's not many on YouTube available. Thanks.

gkstarter1
2 years ago

Amazing review! Thanks for taking the time, I'm looking to get one for commuting my daily 30km into work and back. Thanks.

Patrick94GSR
2 years ago

Dang I could do the A group rides with one of these! Without I can only hang with the D group haha.

Patrick94GSR
2 years ago

20+ MPH a parking lot that truck driver is f'n nuts!

MMJ
2 years ago

So what about going faster than 28 mph say like when you are going down a steep hill? Is this thing going to keep up with a road bike doing 50 down hill?

Tom Zeimet
2 years ago

Yes, after 28 the electrical assistance turns off, but you can keep pedaling or coasting without the motor.

NutriFIT nutritie si fitnes
2 years ago

you really dont know shit about bikes :)) .
btw no one will ever be called "pro" on a electric bike . esp a drop bar ebike

DAMIEN STEP
2 years ago

I wass thinking about buying this bike (any electric bike) but I realised that they are stil too expensive and battery wont last too long.so really they are just for people who dont know what to do with money are they were too naive to buy it , well, 300 for this bike thats just crazy price.

Todd McDanger
3 years ago

Court,  Thanks so much for all the reviews you have posted.  I never really new about all the recent advancements and choices in e-bikes available until I found your site.  I've been a cyclist for just over 20 years, road mostly but also cyclo-cross and mountain.  I also ride motorcycles but on Dec 21 I had a bad fall that resulted in 7 broken ribs, a collapsed lung and surgery to install an implant to repair my collar bone. I'm recovering nicely and should be good as new in about a month. Although the motorcycle was a fantastic option for my daily commute, saving 20 minutes or more each way and probably about $10 a day in fuel vs. a car, not really sure if I will continue to ride.  That leads me to the e-bike option.  My needs in an e-bike commuter are the following:
1) Speed Pedelec with at least a 28mph (its pretty easy for me to cruise at a steady 20mph on a normal road bike)
2) Range 26 miles each way way.  I'd like to go the whole way in the highest assist settings if possible.  The catch is that I have a 800-1000 ft climb and decent in the middle with the rest essentially flat. The goal is to get to work in 60-75min (same as a car in traffic) I can recharge the battery at work.
3) Ability to add a rack to carry change of clothes, charge cable, food, water. About 4-6 pounds total.
Seems like, although one of the more expensive options, this Haibike might be the best option.  I prefer drop bars, mid-motor configuration.  I like the Stromer ST2 but prefer standard rear wheel and the lighter weight of the xduro. There is also a dealer close to me in the bay area. All good there but I do have a couple of questions.  What is the best way to get a test ride?  Does the motor between the cranks increase the distance between the pedals (q-factor).  Suspension is something I'd rather not deal with and from experience know that tires make a huge difference in ride quality.  What size tires will fit on this model? I believe it comes with 32c which is plenty wide but it would be nice to have the option to go wider. Considering my needs and expectations do you think this is the best option or is there something else on the horizon that I might wish I had waited for.  Thanks again and keep those reviews coming!

Todd McDanger
3 years ago

+ElectricBikeReview.com Thanks for the link Court. That helps a lot. Cheers!

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 years ago

+Todd McDanger Yeah, it's about 2:1 but varies slightly. Bosch specs three sprocket sizes but leaves the production up to the manufacturer. For a road style ebike like this it's probably different vs. the e-mountain bikes. Here's an interesting related video you might enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YdVVIgB0qc

Todd McDanger
3 years ago

+ElectricBikeReview.com Court, One more question. How does the Bosch mid-motor compensate for having such a small chain ring? You say in the video that it spins faster than the crank. That makes sense but do you know the ratio? and is this ratio consistent with all the Bosch equipped bikes?  I suspect that the 20T ring on this bike spins at a 2:1 ratio to make the bike geared as with a 40T ring. Still pretty small for a true road bike.

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 years ago

+Todd McDanger Thanks for the update! Wish I could have been at the motostrano event, should definitely swing by there on my future travels :D

Todd McDanger
3 years ago

Court,
Thanks so much for the crank and contact info. The haibike Race is very attractive as it is such a unique option. I was able to get to the Motostrano demo event on the Jan 24th. They are a shop in the bay area with locations in Redwood City and San Francisco. http://www.motostrano.com/E-BIKES-electric-bicycles-s/4468.htm Awesome shop with almost every bike on my short list in stock! It was great to see and touch all the newest stuff. Although I am still unable to ride myself, my 15 year old daughter did test a Felt 9e which she loved. I also had a chance to talk extensively with the shop owner Joe and reps from both Haibike and Felt.  Todd and Doug respectively.  I let them know my specific needs and they directed me towards the bikes that fit best. My commute is perfect for what the high end electric bikes were born for. Its pretty clear that the Bosch system is everyone's favorite. The only issue there is the 20mph speed limit on the mid level bikes.  A couple of dark horses out there are the M1 sedan bikes.  They are reasonably priced Mountain style speed pedelecs with carbon frames and a rear hub motor.  You can get either a single speed rigid fork model ($3500) or a rock shock equipped model with internal hub gears ($5000).  Both of these where at the event. They are awesome looking and you need to test these. Luckily I have some time to kill before I can ride so I'll continue gathering info before diving in. Things are changing fast and I also have to consider upgrading after a couple of years so I want to buy a bike that will also appeal to second hand buyers just in case. I will see you on the forums.

George Sears
3 years ago

It's curious there are few road bikes with drops on the electric side. Here is a new one, apparently:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1182676007/uncomprimising-wireless-blue-tooth-e-bike-conversi

They basically offer a kit, but also a road bike with the kit.

I might go for the Titanio or the aluminum version, over this. (Prodeco Tech). Mid-drive on a road bike might be gilding the lily, as old people say. 

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 years ago

+George Sears Interesting, thanks for the vocabulary lesson and background on Sam! I also pledged a little to their recent Kickstarter campaign and was impressed that they have outlets all over the world. I'd love to visit Australia and meet with them someday!

George Sears
3 years ago

+ElectricBikeReview.com It's an interesting phrase, a corruption of something from Shakespeare. It basically means taking something that works, or is beautiful already, but taking things a little too far. Road bikes, to me, are pretty simple and beautiful. The modern phrase might be "over the top" or "jump the shark". You're an editor, a word guy. I'll get in trouble if I say any more. 

Dillenger has been around a while. There is a very long thread on Endless Sphere about one of their conversions kit. Sam (the team) seem to be able to manage a small company sourcing from China and shipping worldwide, from Australia. (You deserve a trip to Australia.)  I pledged for one of the Kickstarter kits. If I get it, I might try to put together a sub $1000 ebike and see how it works out. I'm pretty sure there are reasonable ways to buy or build a decent ebike for $800 to $1000. Maybe that will bring some people in. You want something pretty basic in that price range.

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 years ago

What does gilding the lily mean! I found the official Dillenger website and they have some cool stuff. Hoping I can swing by later this year! https://dillengerelectricbikes.com/

Jimn Fred
3 years ago

nice review, enjoyed it.

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 years ago

Awesome, thanks for the positive feedback :)