OHM Urban Review

Ohm Urban Electric Bike Review
Ohm Urban
Ohm Urban 10 Speed Shimano Deore Xt Drivetrain
Ohm Urban Bionx Semi Integrated Downtube Battery Pack
Ohm Urban Transflective Removable Lcd Display Panel Ergon Grips
Ohm Urban Suntour Raidon Xc Lo R Air Suspension Fork 100 Mm Travel
Ohm Urban 165 Lumen Supernova E3 Ebike V6s Headlight
Ohm Urban Supernova E3 Led Tail Light On Racktime Rack
Ohm Urban 48 Tooth Chainring Hollow Spindle Magnesium Wellgo Pedals
Ohm Urban Bionx D Series Hub Motor Regen Braking 180 Mm Hydraulic Trp Zurich Brakes
Ohm Urban Portable Ebike Fast Charger 3 45 Amp
Ohm Urban Electric Bike Review
Ohm Urban
Ohm Urban 10 Speed Shimano Deore Xt Drivetrain
Ohm Urban Bionx Semi Integrated Downtube Battery Pack
Ohm Urban Transflective Removable Lcd Display Panel Ergon Grips
Ohm Urban Suntour Raidon Xc Lo R Air Suspension Fork 100 Mm Travel
Ohm Urban 165 Lumen Supernova E3 Ebike V6s Headlight
Ohm Urban Supernova E3 Led Tail Light On Racktime Rack
Ohm Urban 48 Tooth Chainring Hollow Spindle Magnesium Wellgo Pedals
Ohm Urban Bionx D Series Hub Motor Regen Braking 180 Mm Hydraulic Trp Zurich Brakes
Ohm Urban Portable Ebike Fast Charger 3 45 Amp

Summary

  • A near-silent, feature rich, urban hardtail electric bike that's available in four frame sizes and can be switched from Class 2 with throttle to high-speed Class 3
  • Proprietary torque sensor is integrated into the 12 mm rear-axle, it feels fluid and sporty to pedal with and less finicky than older TMM4 or bottom bracket sensors
  • OHM overbuilds their bikes so even though this is an urban model, it still has a tapered head tube, 15 mm thru-axle, adjustable air fork, and hollow spindle bottom bracket
  • The BionX D-Series hub motor is powerful and quick but visually it does stand out more than a compact gearless design, the trigger throttle only activates if the bike is moving

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Introduction

Make:

OHM

Model:

Urban

Price:

$3,599

Body Position:

Forward

Suggested Use:

Urban, Commuting

Electric Bike Class:

Throttle on Demand (Class 2), Speed Pedalec (Class 3)
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Warranty:

3 Year Electronics, 5 Year Frame

Availability:

United States, Canada

Model Year:

2017

Bicycle Details

Total Weight:

55.7 lbs (25.26 kg)

Battery Weight:

7.4 lbs (3.35 kg)

Motor Weight:

8.8 lbs (3.99 kg)

Frame Material:

ADVANCE™ Hydroformed Aluminum Alloy

Frame Sizes:

16.5 in (41.91 cm)18.5 in (46.99 cm)20.5 in (52.07 cm)22.5 in (57.15 cm)

Geometry Measurements:

Medium 18.5" Measurements: 18.5" Seat Tube Length, 21.5" Reach, 28.5" Stand Over Height, 26.75" Width, 71" Length

Frame Types:

High-Step

Frame Colors:

Matte Grey

Frame Fork Details:

Suntour RAIDON XC-LO-R Air Suspension, 100 mm Travel, Compression Clicker with Lockout, Rebound Adjust, 100 mm Hub, 15QLC 15 mm Thru-Axle with Quick Release

Frame Rear Details:

BionX Proprietary, 142 mm Hub, 12 mm Axle with M6 End Cap Bolts

Attachment Points:

Rear Rack Bosses, Fender Bosses, Bottle Cage Bosses

Gearing Details:

10 Speed 1x10 Shimano Deore XT with Shadow Plus Derailleur, 11-36T Cassette

Shifter Details:

Shimano Dyna-Sys Two-Way Triggers on Right

Cranks:

OHM Branded Chainway Custom Specced Crank Arms, Aluminum Alloy, 170 mm Length, 48T Chainring with Alloy Chain Guide, SAMOX Sealed Cartridge Bottom Bracket, Splined, Hollow Spindle

Pedals:

Wellgo MG6 Magnesium Platform with Adjustable Pins

Headset:

Ritchey Pro Logic Press Fit, Tapered 1 1/ 8"- 1 1/ 2", Four 10 mm Spacers, One 5 mm Spacer

Stem:

Promax Alloy, 70 mm, 6° Rise, 31.8 mm Clamp Diameter with Custom Light Mount

Handlebar:

Ritchie Comp, Aluminum Low-Rise, 670 mm Length, 35 mm Rise, 31.8 mm Diameter

Brake Details:

TRP Zurich Hydraulic Disc with 180 mm Rotors, Quad Piston Calipers, TRP Levers with Tool-Free Adjust Reach, BionX Motor Inhibitor for Regen Activation on Right

Grips:

Ergon GP1, Ergonomic Rubber, Locking, 150 mm Length

Saddle:

OHM Branded Ergon Sport Gel SMC4, Chromoly Rails, Nylon Composite Shell, Orthopedic Comfort Foam with Gel Pads

Seat Post:

Ritchey Comp, Aluminum Alloy

Seat Post Length:

350 mm

Seat Post Diameter:

30.9 mm

Rims:

Alexrims FR30, Alloy, Double Wall, 32 Hole, Aluminum Eyelets

Spokes:

Sapim Strong, Stainless Steel, 14 Gauge, Black, Brass Nipples

Tire Brand:

Schwalbe Big Ben Plus, 27.5" x 2.0"

Wheel Sizes:

27.5 in (69.85cm)

Tire Details:

35 to 70 PSI, Performance Line GreenGuard, SnakeSkin, Reflective Stripe

Tube Details:

Schrader Valve

Accessories:

Pletscher ESGE Adjustable Center-Mount Kickstand, Signal Bell, Racktime Alloy Rack (25 kg 55 lb Max Weight), Racktime Aluminum Alloy Fenders (60 mm Width), Integrated Supernova E3 E-BIKE V6s Headlight (165 Lumens), Integrated Supernova E3 Tail Light 2, Optional BodyFloat Suspension Seatpost ($249), ABUS Bordo Combo Lite 6150 ($129)

Other:

Locking Removable Semi-Integrated Downtube Battery Pack, 0.9 lb 3.45 Amp BionX Compact Charger, KMC X10 EPT for MTB Chain, (Size Specific Handlebar 680 / 720 mm, Stem 70 / 80 / 90 mm, Crank Arms 170 / 175 mm, Grips Small 130 mm / 150 mm)

Electronic Details

Motor Brand:

BionX, D-Series

Motor Type:

Rear-Mounted Gearless Direct Drive Hub
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Motor Nominal Output:

500 watts

Motor Peak Output:

1000 watts

Motor Torque:

50 Newton meters (Nominal 25 Nm)

Battery Voltage:

48 volts

Battery Amp Hours:

11.6 ah

Battery Watt Hours:

556.8 wh

Battery Chemistry:

Lithium-ion

Charge Time:

4 hours

Estimated Min Range:

25 miles (40 km)

Estimated Max Range:

70 miles (113 km)

Display Type:

BionX DS3, Removable, Backlit, Color LCD

Readouts:

Three Display Layouts (Basic, Enhanced, Data View), Assist Level (1-4 Support, 1-4 Regeneration), Power Graph (Output, Regeneration), Speed (mph / kph), Battery Level (10 Bars), Setup, Odometer, Trip Timer, Trip Distance, Average Speed, Clock

Display Accessories:

Independent Button Pad (On/Off, Lights, +, -, Left Clicker, Battery Level (5 Bars), Assist Level (4 Dots for Power and Regeneration), Right Clicker), Optional Standard Sized USB Port

Drive Mode:

Torque Sensing Pedal Assist, Trigger Throttle

Top Speed:

28 mph (45 kph) (20 mph Throttle Only)

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Written Review

OHM is a Premiere BionX partner from Vancouver Canada that has been in the ebike business since 2005, using BionX electric drive systems exclusively during that time. I have reviewed eight of their prior year models here on EBR and always come away feeling impressed. In a world where fancy mid-drive systems are generating attention for mountain biking and turning heads with high-torque power output, the BionX system remains unique because it has a throttle, offers regenerative braking, does not interfere with shifting, and operates almost silently. Yes, it’s less efficient overall and weaker in terms of peak torque output because you cannot leverage a drivetrain… but it’s simpler to use and more enjoyable to ride for many people. The Urban electric bike model from OHM, featured here, was the first bike I had tested that utilizes the new semi-integrated downtube battery and transflective color display from BionX. The motor, battery, and display are excellent on their own but what really set the end product apart for me was how OHM overbuilt the frame, including top-end parts and accessories, but still managed to keep weight down. Despite having an 8.8 lb hub motor spoked into the rear wheel, this bike is well balanced from front to rear. It’s quiet, despite having large alloy fenders and a rear rack, powerful but efficient with smooth torque sensing operation, and thoughtfully laid out with lower top tube and side mounting battery design. And, because it’s available in four frame sizes, the lower top tube and smallest size is more approachable to petite riders and those with shorter inseams or injured hips. It’s also safe, thanks to premium Supernova integrated ebike lights and reflective tires. The two other 2017 OHM e-bike models I saw during this visit emphasize light trail and mountain riding and it seems like OHM just kept things simple by recycling frames, forks, sealed bottom brackets, custom crank arms, and drivetrains etc. vs. speccing them down for the city model. What that means is, the company saves money on volume orders, can have an easier time servicing any of the bikes in the lineup because they have so much in common, and you get a city ebike here that’s much more capable than a lot of competitors. I also noticed that the different sized bikes have different length stems, handlebars, crank arms, and grips! They get longer for the larger models to dial in comfort and control. The product does cost more, but not as much as I expected initially… At $3,599 USD, it’s only $1k more than the BionX D-Series stand-alone kit but looks a whole lot nicer. Cables are internally routed, the right brake lever has an integrated motor inhibitor vs. aftermarket glue-on solution, and you can add a USB charging port to maintain or fill your portable electronics on the go. There’s always a lot to talk about with the high-end electric bikes and I especially enjoy highlighting the comfort aspects such as Ergon grips and gel saddle here, the 100 mm air suspension fork which includes a compression clicker with lockout and rebound adjust, and slightly wider 2″ tires that provide stability and vibration dampening. OHM goes through several production prototypes each year before settling on a final version and it’s clear when you take a ride and actually spend some time up close that this is the real deal. The addition of bottle cage bosses, custom rear rack support bosses, iconic overbuilt head tube, and Magnesium pedals are not common.

Driving the bike is a 500 watt nominally rated, gearless direct-drive hub motor. With peak torque output at 50 Newton meters and peak wattage around 750, it’s one of the strongest legal hub motors to be found. And it certainly looks unique… the design has grown on me over the past year but it’s hard to deny that it does stand out. The large diameter provides a mechanical advantage for the magnets and electromagnetic staters inside which increases torque while simultaneously improving cooling due to increased air volume. The casing itself is a sort of composite plastic that is lightweight, durable, and unobtrusive in black. It shouldn’t get scratched or nicked up and show damage as much as a painted alloy hub. Yes, it could catch some wind from the side, but that shouldn’t impact steering because it’s the rear wheel and there is still a lot of space between open spokes above and below. The spokes actually connect from rim to hub vs. rim to hub motor… meaning that they are normal full-length sized. This increased spoke length provides some comfort in the form of flex while riding. And while shorter spokes can be stronger, they translate energy into the frame and rims which can cause bending and cracking on rims. That’s not such an issue here but even so, OHM opted for double wall alloy rims with reinforcement eyelets just to be safe… and possibly because this is what their mountain models use. They painted the spokes black to match the hub motor casing, and they chose a capable drivetrain from Shimano to reduce maintenance intervals, speed up shifting, and improve chain tension. You get a 10-speed 11 to 36 tooth cassette here with Shimano Deore XT derailleur that has Shadow Plus (a one way clutch to tighten the chain). I found shifting to be easy, fast, and quiet. I was pedaling naturally, feeling empowered vs. carried or pushed like some cadence sensing e-bikes, and never surprised or annoyed by delays from sensor to motor output. It felt very smooth but definitely more powerful than average. Another minor note here is that the trigger shifters for changing gears and arrow buttons for raising and lowering assist were easy to reach and not too crowded near the right grip. I think this has a lot to do with the small form factor of the BionX button pad. It doesn’t take up much space so your brake lever and shifter mounts can all be close together, right where you need them.

Powering the bike, backlit display, two lights, and optional USB power port, is a high capacity Lithium-ion battery. It offers efficient 48 volt energy transfer with 11.6 amp hours for a total of 556.8 watt hours. That’s over half a kilowatt hour, definitely above average, but it spends quickly if you opt for the Class 3 speed pedelec setup or use the throttle constantly. I estimated range between 25 and 70 miles but that greatly depends on how you ride. Higher speed riding takes a big toll on efficiency because of air resistance and throttle mode, while fun, is a battery hog because the D-Series motor accelerates so quickly. The trigger throttle is ramped so you can press gently for less power, but the movement is relatively small (to keep it compact) so precise throttling takes some practice. Unlike many competing throttles, this one is easy to reach and not so fatiguing to use constantly. It is perhaps one of my favorite throttle designs because it’s a trigger vs. twist and that means you can really grip and handle the bike well. And you can use the throttle at full power to override assist! No need for clicking up and down through different menus to get the throttle going the way you do on some bikes like Easy Motion’s Evo line. The throttle is always active as long as the bike is moving ~1.5 mph. Yes, throttle from standstill would be nice, but this one activates super fast… again, I was bummed out by the 6 mph cutoff on one of Evelo’s 2017 models using the Bafang Max drive. Sometimes ebike manufactures are limited by what their motor supplier offers but kudos to BionX for their good work here. It’s part of why they were invited to be an advertiser here. They offer something unique, put a lot of thought into the design, and support it well. Anyway, the battery can be charged on or off the bike frame and uses a quick 3.45 Amp charger vs. the standard 2 Amp so you can fill the battery quickly and get back out onto the road! The removability of the display, battery, quick release front wheel, and seat post, make the bike easy to transport, protect, and store. I usually bring my battery into the office to fill up during the day before my ride home. Note that the battery does not have an obvious handle and would definitely get scratched and even damaged if dropped… at 7.4 lbs, it’s not the lightest thing… so be careful or use a bag to carry it.

I apologize for not going into the Bluetooth smartphone app, but there was a lot to cover with the included LCD display and control ring. BionX balanced features and choice against usability here and came out with a good result. You can choose from three default layouts but I feel that two might have been enough. The basic and advanced views are mostly the same except for some charts and icons that appear as motor power increases or regenerative braking is activated. Only the right brake lever activates regen, but this reduces clutter and possibly saves money? Anyway, perhaps the flicker and movement of colors on the advanced display could be distracting for some and that’s why a basic readout was also offered? For those who really like to dig into the stats and know exactly what’s happening at all times, there is also a data view. This is almost like an instrument panel in an airplane or something, just a lot of labels and numbers in a grid. It might be optimal for night use because the background is mostly black and there are not colors. You can select from the three menus by clicking left or right and you can arrow up or down through four levels of assist and regen by using the plus and minus keys. There is also a power button and lights button above the plus key. I love how easy the buttons are to reach and that if the display was removed or lost, you can still use the control ring to operate the bike. It has an integrated LED readout for battery level (five bars) and four more bars to let you know what assist level is in use. It’s like night and day to see this control ring and then look at a basic throttle that’s oversized and cheap feeling… this is part of what you’re paying for and it’s easy to appreciate in person.

Not everyone is ready to spend big bucks on a more premium product like OHM offers but those who do will benefit from an excellent warranty and a system that is very refined. I hear people complain about the noise produced by some drive systems, Bosch mid-drives in particular, and have also heard about chain wear and shifting difficulty. I personally like having a throttle at my disposal and love integrated tuff lights because I commute in early morning and late light situations a lot and want to be seen. There are only a handful of little things that bug me about this model including the mid-mounted kickstand that gets in the way of the left crank arm, the visual appearance of the larger hub motor, the increased hassle of changing a rear flat tire, the longer boot up time of the display panel, and to a minor extent how the pedals feel because of a thicker spindle with lower outer rim… I felt the spindle under my foot vs. a large flat surface. As OHM transitions toward a direct to consumer model, it is difficult to find their products in ebike stores and actually test ride them but the staff is very friendly and knowledgeable with over a decade of ebike sales and support experience. This is one of my favorite speed pedelecs on the market right now and has built my appreciation for the small details that go into frame design and hardware choice. The sealed cartridge headset and bottom bracket will keep water out and the unique rack support mounts provide strength and allow for a more visually pleasing free stand design. I probably would spend the extra money to upgrade to a BodyFloat suspension post because I have back and neck sensitivity and high speed can really bring out the stiffness of a hardtail frame. As you park and lock this e-bike, be sure to secure the front wheel, frame, and seat post and saddle rails if you do get the upgrade because those are expensive premium parts.

Pros:

  • Premium rack and 60 mm Aluminum alloy fenders offer a ton of utility, the stock photo shows plastic fenders with mud flaps but the production bike is upgraded and the metal fenders are solid and very quiet
  • Only the highest-end electric bikes seem to offer integrated lights from Supernova and they tend to last longer because of metal housings and sturdy mounts, I love how the headlight is positioned below the handlebar to make room for the LCD display
  • There are so many ways to control this e-bike including the mini control ring near the right grip, the compact color LCD panel, or the smart phone app, being able to remove the display for parking (to reduce wear and tampering) is fantastic
  • Four frame sizes mean you can find an appropriate fit and the semi-integrated battery makes space for a bottle cage and lower top tube to make the bike easier to mount
  • Considering how sturdy and well accessorized this ebike is, I was impressed with the 55.7 lb weight, it has metal lights, a high-capacity battery, and a powerful motor but things like magnesium pedals, a minimalist kickstand, hollow spindle bottom bracket, and air fork all make a difference
  • OHM has been around since 2005 and offers a unique 3+ year warranty on their products, they use high-end parts and are a premiere BionX partner so their bikes tend to last, since they have three models that all use the same battery design it’s easier to get replacements
  • I like how this bike looks, the decals are minimalist and the light grey is gender neutral, the oversized headset is a signature look and also provides more strength
  • Upon first seeing the bike, and knowing that the BionX D-Series motor weighs ~8.8 lbs, I was expecting it to be rear-heavy… but I lifted it just in front of the saddle nose and it tipped forward vs. back, I feel that it’s very well balanced and the weight is all kept low for improved handling vs. a rack battery
  • Comfortable touch points including locking ergonomic grips, finger-adjustable brake levers, a sporty Ergon gel saddle, and wider Schwalbe tires with a medium-range pressure recommendation
  • For me, safety is a big deal, so the lighter frame color, reflective tires, and bright integrated lights are a big win, everything just works and the lights run off of the primary battery
  • OHM offers a Body Float suspension seat post upgrade, folding lock accessories, and does a trade-in program on their older bikes so you could possibly get a discount to buy their latest stuff
  • Riding this bike just feels good, it’s more polished, quiet and balanced than a lot of others… it’s also one of the few that even offer a throttle mode which is fun to use (at least for me!)
  • Even though regenerative braking doesn’t put much power back into the battery, it does reduce wear on brake pads and can be used to simulate climbing with the four levels on the BionX system, overall it’s pretty neat
  • The unique design of the hub motor casing, being relatively slim but tall, allows for the spokes to connect at the hub vs. the outside of the hub motor and this allows them to flex naturally providing a level of comfort and performance that most other hub motor ebikes lack
  • The battery pack clicks in from the left side vs. down from the top which means it won’t bump into the frame as easily and the top tube can be lower, I like that the battery is rated against dust and water, uses a fast charger, can be filled on or off the bike, and even has a touch-activated capacity indicator (where the charger plugs in) it lights up green at 70%+, orange between 20% and 70%, and red when below 20%
  • After a few minutes of inactivity, the display panel automatically powers off… it has lots of settings where you can change brightness, units, etc. to make it fit your preferences and style
  • Larger 180 mm hydraulic brakes provide the kind of stopping power that mountain bikers need, so it’s cool to have them on more of an urban bike, specifically because it weighs more and can be switched to 28 mph Class 3 if you want (I think you need OHM to do this and change the Class sticker before it’s shipped to you)
  • Shimano Deore XT is a mid to high-level drivetrain and ten speeds is enough to let you climb and reach higher speeds comfortably… though the larger 48 tooth chainring is setup more for speed, there were more times where I was riding in the absolute lowest gear because of the hilly terrain in Vancouver, I like that the derailleur has a one way clutch to reduce chain bounce (the little grey lever, point it up to tighten the chain)
  • The chainring has an alloy guard to keep your pants or skirt clear along with a plastic inner guide to reduce drops, basically they combine to create reliability when on bumpy terrain

Cons:

  • I appreciate how the kickstand is adjustable length but it still gets in the way where it’s mounted, just below and behind the crank arms, if you back the bike up or pedal with the stand down it will collide
  • OHM has moved away from dealers, they only sell direct now which means it could be difficult to go for a test ride unless you live near their factory store in North Vancouver, BC Canada
  • The large black hub motor casing definitely stands out visually, the design provides great torque for acceleration and climbing but may also catch a bit of side wind and attract attention compared to smaller gearless hubs
  • The display panel and battery pack don’t have an integrated Micro-USB port by default but apparently for $20 OHM can wire one in and stick it to the right side of the frame near the top of the downtube
  • It would be nice if both brake levers had the regeneration switch vs. just the right one, but I guess that reduces clutter up front, a bit of weight, and expense
  • The display panel takes longer to boot up than Bosch and some of the other high-end products, not much longer, but enough to be a little annoying every time you turn the bike on and are eager to go right away!
  • As much as I appreciate the large platform and grippy adjustable pins on the lightweight Magnesium pedals… I felt like the spindle at the center was too high, I could feel it at the ball of my foot vs. a more flat platform which is what I usually feel, they left me mixed vs. fully impressed
  • It’s no fun to change inner tubes if you get a flat so the upgraded Performance Line GreenGuard Plus tires are a welcome part, I love that the front axle uses quick release to make it easier to service, but have to acknowledge that most hub motor setups can be a pain to work with on the rear wheel because of the additional motor wire and bolts or nuts, the BionX motor has a quick disconnect point and mounts fairly easily with the correct 6M hex wrench, but it still takes more time and tools than a mid-drive
  • Some of the other high-end ebike displays offer a range estimation stat which can help you plan trips, that isn’t available with the BionX setup used here but at least it does show a high precision 10-bar battery infographic and battery percentage! Their battery packs are also smart and go into a deep-sleep mode when not used for long periods

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Neil Snyder
1 month ago

This is an extremely well-designed eBike. We have experience with the BionX D-500 and it is a superb performer, one of the best rear hubs on the market. Ohm should do very well with these models. Kudos to Ohm for a job well done.

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Court Rye
3 weeks ago

Thanks for your input Neil! That’s great feedback and I agree that the BionX drive systems (and the D-Series in particular) are some of the best on the market right now, especially for hub motors.

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Bike_On
3 weeks ago

Super good review- Court. This is an impressive OEM ddhub , with all the touch points, including dual mode throttle/PAS. High quality components and rated accordingly. I would love to read a long term commuter review.

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Court Rye
3 weeks ago

Me too, I haven’t owned a BionX powered ebike long term but given the gearless design and “big company” reputation, I’m guessing it would be a lasting high-value bike. Got a couple more of these OHM models to review and post in the coming weeks. Hope you’re well, great to see your comment here!

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Dewey
6 days ago

It seems like not many electric bicycles have belt drives. Motorcycles have more engine vibration but still, are there not noise, weight, and vibration advantages to a belt drive that would benefit electric bicycles? But if so, why do they seem rare?

Belt drives don't work with derailleurs.

The cheapest belt drive ebikes would be either an IKEA Sladda 2-speed, or a Priority Classic single speed or 3-speed, converted with a front wheel hub motor.

eVox is a Quebec subsidiary of Miele, a German washing machine company with experience designing belt driven motors, their Dyname drive uses a flywheel and belt on the left side separate from the chain and gears and is considered robust enough to have found application in some bikeshare systems. Court reviewed the City and KAB models.

Gates has a list of pedal bicycles and ebikes that use their belt drive, and earlier this year boasted their technology is used by 500 bicycle manufacturers. If you wanted to convert a belt drive equipped pedal bicycle some might be suitable for front wheel hub motor conversion which would be the simplest way to do it, otherwise I don't know how easy it is to find parts to make a belt drivetrain work with a mid-drive or rear hub motor. Typically a mid-drive replaces the front chainring while rear wheel hub motors accept an IGH chain sprocket, you would need to find belt adapters to work with the motor and rear hub plus the right length belt. A more radical conversion involving cutting the frame on a standard IGH bike has been attempted by some belt drive conversions.

Zach Kadletz
3 weeks ago

Taipei, Taiwan, August 2nd 2017 – Urban transportation specialist Tern Bicycles unveiled the GSD — an ebike that defines a new category: ‘compact utility’. The GSD is designed to carry two kids, a week’s worth of groceries, or 180 kg of cargo, but it’s only 180 cm long—shorter than a Dutch city bike. With Tern’s best-in-class folding technology, it packs down small enough to fit in a VW Touran or an urban apartment. It adjusts to fit riders from 150 – 195 cm—so mom, dad and the kids can all use it. A Bosch Performance motor, with up to two batteries, powers the GSD for up to 250km. It comes fully equipped with integrated lighting, rack, mudguards, double kickstand, two XL panniers, and even retractable passenger foot pegs – everything needed to shift to a bike-centric lifestyle.

“Most of the ebikes on the market today basically look like standard bicycles with motors and batteries grafted on,” said Josh Hon, Tern Team Captain. "That means that all of the valid compromises that were made in designing a muscle-powered vehicle are carried over to the ebike, where they don’t make as much sense. The Tern GSD is the result a fundamental insight: when you design a bicycle around an electric drivetrain, you don’t need to compromise key functionalities like comfort and cargo capacity to optimize for speed. With a Bosch drivetrain, 20” wheel bikes ride just as fast as 700c bikes but thanks to smaller wheels, deliver punchier acceleration. The smaller wheels also allow us to maximize cargo capacity. And with top speed removed from the optimization equation, we were free to design the GSD with a comfortable Dutch-bike riding position. Best of all, we were able to fit all this goodness into a package that’s only the size of a standard city bike.”

“One of our guiding insights was that cargo bikes are most useful in city centers, but they’re correspondingly difficult to manage and store,” according to Galen Crout, Communications Manager at Tern. “Dense urban centers bring cargo bikes to life—where groceries, schools and work are all within a bikeable distance—but they’re also where houses are small, and where bike theft is a persistent problem. We’re creating the compact utility ebike category to let people in cities enjoy the benefits of cargo bikes without the limitations.”

Fits the Family
The GSD is an ebike that everybody in the family can ride. Tern’s patented adjustable stem, special cockpit geometry, and super low step frame make the bike easy to handle and ride, even for very small riders. Taller riders will appreciate the expanding cockpit and handlebars that can be adjusted for height and reach. Heavier riders will appreciate the massively buttressed frame and fork, and components that are designed to handle loads of up to 180kg.

Super Stable
Just as a scooter is easier to ride than a motorcycle, the GSD rides and handles better than many ebikes on the market today. The GSD’s smaller wheels, low frame, and centrally mounted motor and batteries give the bike an extremely low center of gravity. Coupled with an extended wheelbase, the GSD is remarkably stable and easy to handle. This extra stability is critically important and appreciated when the GSD is fully loaded with cargo, especially with the wriggling child variety. And since ebikes are typically ridden at higher average speeds, this extra stability adds to safety.

Capacious Capacity
The GSD is built to carry stuff, lots of it. The frame, fork, and components have been tested to exceed 180kg of total weight for the rider and cargo. The GSD comes standard with an 80cm integrated rear rack and side panniers with a total capacity of 62L. The GSD fits two children in Thule Maxi child seats or one adult passenger. Additional carrying capacity can be added with lower deck supports, a rear tray, and a front tray. Tern will open source the frame attachment point dimensions so riders with an interest can also design and build their own custom cargo accessories.

Portabilty, Storability
Despite its extra large cargo capacity, the GSD packs small to fit into tight urban environments. Since the GSD is no longer than a standard bike, it will work with standard bike racks on cars and buses. But even better, patented Tern folding technology lets the GSD pack even smaller – three seconds is all it takes to reduce its height by 1/3rd and its width by 40% so the GSD can fit INSIDE mid-sized cars like a VW Touran. With two GSD’s packed in the back of the car, family bike adventures will never be the same again. The GSD is even designed to fit into small elevators with a specially designed rack that allows it to stand vertically.

Component Quality
Whereas many cargo-oriented bicycles use mostly standard bicycle parts, the GSD goes a step further with some of the most robust parts available. Examples include Magura 4 piston disc brakes, custom 2.4" Schwalbe Super Moto-X tires, Boost thru-axle hubs, and custom 36mm width double-joined rims.

The GSD, designed as the ultimate car replacement or small business utility vehicle, launches together with a collection of accessories, including Eurocrate-standardized front and rear racks, a passenger kit with KLICKfix adapters, and optional foot supports. The rear rack, sized for up to four Ortliebs, is designed for optimal compatibility with up to two Thule Yepp Maxi Seats. The base price of 3,999 EUR (3,999 USD) includes a pair of 62 L Cargo Hold panniers, a Bosch Performance mid-drive, and a 400 watt hour Bosch battery.

“It’s a bike that fits a family, but it’s also a bike that the whole family can share” said Hon. “When you’re investing $4,000 in a new electric bike, fundamental versatility makes a world of difference. Fit any riders, passengers, or cargo, and fit anywhere.”

Tern will debut the GSD at the Fall trade shows, starting with Eurobike 2017. Dealers and consumers can stop by the Tern booth at B4-405, or the Tern demo booth at DA-417 to test ride the GSD.

subzero
3 weeks ago

the citizen frisco is a nice looking ebike, I saw some reviews on YouTube

However, I do think the voltbike Urban has advantages. Namely these:

-more watts
-higher battery Ah capacity
-it comes with a helmet
-it has integrated front lights and independent rear lights

the only downside is that the Urban is currently out of stock

JayVee
3 weeks ago

After having looked through the new Haibike 2018 catalog, I'm puzzled that S-Pedelecs are sold with 500 Wh batteries that are not multi-rail compatible. But some of the slower bikes have multi-rail and can accomodate 1000Wh.

For example, the Trekking 9.0 comes with multi-rail, but the Trekking S 9.0 doesn't. None of the urban or race bike S-Pedelecs have multi-rail either. Yet the faster bike could do with the extra battery capacity...

For the curious, you can find the EU 2018 catalog at the same place as last year (along with some other 2018 ones... hint... hint...).

america94
1 month ago

Well the lady Urban Cruser at 1500$ on sale at Costco would have been a good 2nd choice I think. But it has been off the shelves for quite a while now (it's available again now, but at 2000$ which I think is overpriced (1500$ was barely ok) like all electric bikes at Costco nowadays). The owner is a small shop in BC that deals only locally and with Costco. I found out though that the local shop sells used models in top shape (Costco customer returns, so they should be less than 30 days old), with full warranty.

Found this for used models:

DOES GREEN LIGHT CYCLE LTD. SELL USED BIKES?

We certainly do! Depending on the amount of kilometers already on the bike and the number and degree of scratches on the frame, prices for used Urban Ryders™ and Urban Cruzers™ can range from $999 to $1,550. Bikes priced at $1,550 are practically brand new bikes with 0 km and no scratches on the frame. For more information, call our offices at (604)-639-0059 or TOLL FREE at 1-(855)-476-7933 or email us at contact@greenlightcycle.com.

There is also Daymak, with tons of dealers in Ontario and mucho, mucho types of bikes your are looking for in the 1500$ range. I think quality and customer service is uneven though when I researched them months ago, but it might be worth checking them out.

There is also emmo.ca, which I believe is just a new branch from Daymak.

The Voltbike Mariner is a hoot supposedly, foldable, but still good for offroad with 20in fat tires. Tubes and tires seem like a pain to find though at reasonable prices, especially in Canada (not an issue for you). It was the first bike I seriously considered, due to the fact that it fits on the rear seat of any car. Gave up because of the tire/tubes price and availability.

hope this helps! Your lucky your wife is considering an ebike. Mine won't even touch a regular bike with a 6' pole :(

Marleen
2 months ago

Another update!

Ok so today my mum actually got to take a little spin on a regular (so non-electric) step thru Townie just to be able to experience its fit in order to maybe eliminate it from the three available Electra ebike options beforehand. Or to instantly get hooked and just forget about the rest ;-)
We actually managed to find one(!) step thru Townie at some local bike rent company we've never paid any attention for they are of course for tourists only ;-)

The pro's first. She felt, like on any Electra bike, safe and stable and more importantly, the steer luckily turned out to be much less straight and narrow than expected! That was really the biggest surprise/ relief.
On the other hand, and even though her Electra cruiser also has 26inch wheels, she kept on saying she somehow felt like riding a kids bike?!
But I should add this probably also had to do with the fact that the bike was stripped of any fenders, racks whatsoever, which somehow made it look(!) a lot smaller. 'Look' because when we put it next to a 'fully dressed' mens/ step over Townie, that initially looked much taller, it turned out they actually were the exact same height! So quite the optical illusion there I guess.
After properly measuring the step thru height (I just made that up ;-) but I mean the crank and tube height combined) of the Townie, it indeed turned out to be even lower(!) (about 5cm/2 inch) than on her step thru Electra cruiser.

So while the Townie model is definitely not eliminated, she now also is really convinced the slightly bigger 28inch wheels on the Commute and Loft, with the matching slightly higher placed crank and step thru positions, should be much less of an issue. Plus as long as the model still has the flat foot technology, the mounting of the bike should automatically become less of an issue.

As for the difference between the Bosch Active and Performance line: I suddenly realised the Urban Arrow Family bike we presented as a gift to my brother and his family is actually equipped with the more powerful Performance line. (At the time the bike shop accidentally sold our ordered gift bike to someone else.... so as an apology they offered a free upgrade to the Performance line)
So I can now say, out of my own experience, being familiar with both, I really can't tell the difference! Then again I should emphasize, this is in The Low Countries; so only in non-hilly conditions.
But I think I can safely say that in our mostly flat Dutch landscape the difference between the Performance (Townie and Commute) and the Active (Loft) seems of no real importance when it comes to choosing one. Apart from the slight difference in their reach as I have mentioned before. +20km in lowest support mode (eco) +1km in the highest support mode (turbo)
Cool for by 'eliminating' as much of these 'complicating' extra's, my mum can just focus on what is really most important to her; her actual seating/cycling position.

But I guess most of all this proofs just how very important an actual test ride is!!
And of course, with that being said, how very valuable these awesome test ride video's Court does really are!
Im still convinced there is no such thing as too much information when it comes to the tech specs; I still want to know as much as detailed as possible, but eventually riding a bike yourself and/or watching someone else doing just that and telling about that is still the best tool for making a good choice!

Ok that's it for now
And needless to say if anybody has any experiences with any of the new Commute and or Loft Go! bikes please don't be shy!
To be continued!

Eduardo Domingues de Jesus
2 months ago

I’ve been enjoying following the comments on this review and really appreciate hearing the feedback from real ebike owners. I think there are some points raised that we can improve on. What I personally find interesting here is that the Gocycle G3 is being compared with the Stromer and mainly on criteria that are the Stromer's key strengths - high mileage commuting/range/big battery/big motor. As the designer of Gocycle, I’m really encouraged by this given Gocycle is half the weight and also portable! I feel like all of the many years of development and progress made from G1, to G2, G3 and soon our GS is paying off. We are probably closer than ever to delivering a game changing ebike for urban and recreational commuters in value, practical usage, fun, and performance – and in a package that also brings with it many other benefits for the owner simply not found on any traditional ebike currently available.

My sense though in reading is that the Stromer is probably the right choice for most of the reviewers. It’s a very solid and capable ebike.

I wanted to add a few notes though on some of the comments such as “don’t ride it in the rain” which is not true. The G1 was very revolutionary when it launched in 2009 and we wanted to be cautious while we gathered service data from real customers over years and 10,000s of miles. So we had a note of caution in the manual on riding in the rain. I think we also had a note like “if it rains be smart/take your car or the train”, yikes we got stick for that :) !!! I’ve ridden bicycles all of my life and commuted daily rain/snow/sun – very few times I enjoy riding in the rain – but anyway…we quickly confirmed that the Gocycle design was fine in all weather conditions, and we’ve opened up Cleandrives with 8,000 miles of year round British weather riding and the chain and drive components are immaculate. We sell a lot of product to boat owners and we know that while you can never prevent corrosion, we excel against competitors in that area under salty sea air conditions. Last week it rained most all days and I road my G3 to work throughout. In 2012, we had months of torrential British rain and our test fleet of G2s ran everyday collecting 1000’s of miles of heavy wet weather riding. But results also will vary on how the owner takes care of the product. Following the guidelines of the manufacturer and reading the owner's manual will give you the best and highest possible service life.

This is an interesting recent Gocycle owner story on how Gocycle is used in all weather conditions:

https://gocycle.com/review/the-4-seasons-gocycle-rider/

On the comment on security, the cable lock referred to in the review comes free with the product and is mainly for “coffee shop” security as with any cable lock.

If you want a more secure option, the Gocycle lock holster is super convenient, fast and has a sold silver secure rating.

I use it daily and it works well. We’ve put a lot of thought into how and where it is mounted which goes for all Gocycle’s accessories and design. Gocycle does also have anti-theft capability via the app too and we’ve helped a number of customers recover their stolen Gocycles.

Gocycle accessories are more expensive than traditional bikes because they are bespoke designs for Gocycle. That’s a personal choice for potential customers whether to back a company / product that is taking a clean sheeted design approach with total integration or a pick and mix approach from off the shelf standard bike parts.

On the Gocycle Performance tires, they have very low rolling resistance and are a performance item. If you want more durable tires, there are a wide range of alternatives. I run the Gocycle tires in the summer and Schwalbe Big Ben tires in the winter.

On the battery fuel level - we are currently testing a new version of our fuel gauge. After you live with and get to know your ebike what ever the brand, you become less sensitive to range anxiety and in my opinion, the fuel guage should not be a major driver in deciding what kind of ebike to buy. But we’re trying to consider a totally different approach to range information for the user which could be really interesting in the future. Stay tuned!

On the comment about the folding being a novelty and not of practical value, probably that is not a fair statement. Gocycle is not like a Brompton or a Dahon - meaning it is not designed to quickly fold up to take on a train. There's been no compromise to the riding fit and geometry and so that sort of usage is not really a part of the Gocycle's DNA. But the stow-ability of Gocycle is definitely practical and useful! and is one of the key benefits that comes with owning a Gocycle and something that a Stromer in this comparison review cannot do! There are many many times that I have broken it down to put in the car to integrate with family errands, work, social occasions, weather - it is an added convenience that really highlights the flexibility of the product. Having two Gocycles with one folded up over the winter for example saves space. It's practical not just for commuters, but boaters, caravan owners and light aircraft owners.... But also, the Pitstopwheels are much easier to fix flat tires on than traditional bicycles and you don't even get your hands greasy. What other ebike weighs around 35lbs, can drive a 200 lb guy 20 miles/20 mph - and is small enough to fit four into the back of a Ford Focus or a few with room for the dog?

https://www.facebook.com/206815859442009/photos/a.256374007819527.1073741828.206815859442009/512326365557622/?type=3&theater

I’m encourage that Gocycle is being compared head to head with Stromer on commuting usages. That says something about the progress we have made as a company and we appreciate the feedback given here by real owners. It is worth mentioning though that my approach to how an ebike should be designed is different. Two main points 1) Lightweight is VERY important for bicycles and Ebikes, and when there has been a design choice to add more batteries and weight to increase range for example, I’ve not compromised at the expense of increasing weight. 2) Gocycle’s philosophy is a hybrid approach, two-wheel / balanced drive – you power the rear the motor powers the front. I've not compromised on my view that human power input and health/well-being benefits that come with exercise/cycling should always be at the core of pedal two-wheelers.
Hello Mr. Thorpe, glad to read you here.
Kindly explain why you had hacked us all with your app, we, those who supported your brand by putting in plain trust 4000€ for you (I bought TWO of your bikes, say thanks at least please) all of us bought it knowing that the bikes had a 40 km/h top speed and then you invaded it and unauthorisedly killed it to half (25 km/h in our case in Europe).
You have no rights to do so, its a shame what you made.
Now your product doesn't even charge either, no matter how diligently we follow your website's and documented infos.
Your customer assistance is not assisting at anything really, no one replies.

Do not dare to say a word that we don't have the right to be pissed at you.
I'm struggling to have anyone rational at Gocycle sorting this issue honorably since the unhappy idea you had to behead our properties to its half capacity with your "upgrade" v5.0.
You should have a manager and a lawyer lecturing you that these post-sold-goods invasion and breach of marketing good practices against your customers is not polite, at least.

Its an insult what you are doing, I am very sorry if someone anyhow forced you to do so, it is really not our problem, you must to restore it, kindly either FIX IT or REFUND US ALL.
Have a better day

Court
2 months ago

Hi Marleen, thanks for sharing your enthusiasm for cycling and complimenting our work here. I’d love to share a few thoughts and try to help :)

My own Mother has had a couple of bicycle tips over the past few years and I’ve seen her become sensitive to riding, especially in crowded environments and around faster cyclists. You mentioned stability and I feel that the Electra models (or any cruiser style ebike) could be a great fit because they tend to have wider tires and a more relaxed geometry. Sometimes, they even have smaller 26” wheels vs. the standard city/road 28” 700c. You touched on this in your post with the Fat Frank tires ;)

You really explained the Flat Foot technology from Electra well, it allows the saddle height to be lower so that riders can put their feet down while seated, but still get reasonable leg extension forward to pedal. They have a patent on this but you can see some competitors trying to imitate it by using back-angled seat tubes. Moustache does this with their Lundi 26 https://electricbikereview.com/moustache/lundi-26/ and Pedego does it with their 24” Cruiser which is unique because of the even smaller 24” wheels which bring the entire frame down closer to the ground https://electricbikereview.com/pedego/24-step-thru-interceptor/ The downside of both examples here is that they use rear-rack mounted batteries vs. the downtube design on Electra’s Townie model. This increases frame flex and makes the back rear heavy which can lead to crack-the-whip handling and easier frame tips. Pedego in particular, tends to be very rear heavy because they use a rack battery and hub motor system vs. the mid-motor on the Moustache and Townie. One upside is that the Pedego has a throttle while no Bosch systems offer that.

Bosch makes one of my favorite drive systems and it’s cool that you’re already familiar with it from the Urban Arrow. The reliability, responsiveness, and balance make it desirable but of course, it’s also a bit pricier.

So I have not seen the Commute Go! or Loft Go! in person but I have studied the official website and you did a great job narrowing down. I view these as more efficient “commute” type of bikes with lager 700c 28” tires that raise the bike slightly, hydraulic disc brakes that are going to be easier to pull and smoother to brake with, and swept-back handlebar designed to be comfortable (positioning you upright) but still narrow to fit through doors and between cars. Frankly, I’m suprised that the Townie Go! doesn’t have larger beach bars… but maybe the reach distance is already short enough? It’s an interesting design choice there compared to Pedego and others… perhaps they wanted to really raise the bar vs. raise and sweep back? I’m not sure. Anyway, my guess is that the Loft Go! will be the lightest model because it uses narrower tubing than the Commute Go! The look on the Loft Go! is more classy vs. beach cruiser but it shares a lot of similarities with the Commute Go! models and they all appear to use the Bosch Active Line motor which is slower to start and weaker overall (so it will extend battery range but also feel safer and more predictable to riders perhaps).

Based on what I have heard from Trek recently, none of the Trek or Electra models will have walk mode enabled and I’m not clear on why. In the past, some other large companies have been shy about any kind of throttle application because it changes the bike from Class 1 to Class 2. Now, a two-mph walk mode that requires two button presses to activate (and ongoing holding of the plus button) doesn’t seem like a big issue to me, and I love the idea that you could get help moving a 50 lb bike, that might have cargo loaded, up a hill or steep driveway. One concern however, is that the cranks turn when this mode is active and that can put your legs in the path of sharp pedals which could cause a scrape or surprise you enough that you actually drop the bike or something. I’m not really sure what drives the policy for them. Maybe someone will chime in with more info or perhaps this policy will change one day?

I’m sorry to hear that so far it has been difficult to locate a Trek dealer with ebikes to demo. Hopefully that will also change soon… or you can become one of the first to own the new models, it sounds like you are already a great ambassador for their brand of bikes :)

I’ll do my best to review the new models soon and appreciate your enthusiastic and well-researched comments Marleen. You seem very cool and your Mom must be very proud and happy to have you in her life riding bikes.

Marleen
2 months ago

Hi there I'm new to this, let me just say amazingly explanatory and well informed forum! Really brilliant! Hats off to Court and everyone involved!

My name is Marleen, I am from The Netherlands so you could say naturally an absolute bike junkie, but more importantly in this context, an avid Electra fan!

Because my still superfit and equally Electra loving 72 yrs young ;-) mum is currently looking for a new ebike I ended up here. Main reasons for her wanting a new ebike are more stability and more safety. This partly because of some minor and major incidents that happened in the past year that sadly ended up making her (and me about her) feel less secure on her bike.

Her current ebike is a Gazelle Innergy Chamonix frameheight 49cm and she has been really very satisfied with its flawless(!) performance over the passed 6 years. Used it daily and extensively for commuting, leisure, for longer and shorter rides at home in The Low Countries but also in more hilly conditions abroad.

The only downside turned out to be the fact that with this bike she is not able to reach the ground while remaining seated in her saddle at the same time. Something that, as we recently discovered, sadly is still not possible when she tried a Gazelle in their current smallest frame height 46cm. She is 163cm btw. I also should mention that a frame height of 46 and 49cm are considered fitting and appropriate for a person of 163cm. Luckily because she also owns an ELECTRA cruiser bike she knows that there is actually a bike that does offer the possibility of having your feet flat on the ground whilst being firmly seated! Also known as Electra's 'flat foot technology'.

Another very positive aspect of the ELECTRA cruiser are its fat frank tires! The relatively smaller tires on her Gazelle can pose quite a challenge, especially with all the tramrails we Dutch happen to have in all of our city centres. They can get stuck in there pretty easily and when it has been raining, not too uncommon here, you can imagine that can happen even quicker as goes for the risk of slipping. The fat frank balloon tires just give you an instant boost of confidence for they immediately enhance your stability, on and off road, plus they act as an extra cushion protecting you from experiencing every bump in the road yourself.

So after the most recent incident, where she ended up hurting herself after toppling over (because she simply wasn't able to reach the ground quickly enough while she was still seated) we decided it was time to look for a new ebike. Preferably one with all the aforementioned benefits of her ELECTRA.
Only then did we discover ELECTRA now actually have an ebike range! Now even combined with the top end Bosch motor system. Already familiar to us because it is also used on the Urban Arrow Family ebike we use. It really is just a super neat and frankly, in our opinion, one of the best motorsystems out there for an ebike. The combination of an Electra bike with its flat foot technology and the fat frank tires combined with the top end Bosch motor just has to be the best of both worlds!

So after we narrowed our search down to the ebike collection of ELECTRA, that are all called Go! btw, we now face 'the problem' of choosing just one of the three available models. There is the already slightly older ELECTRA Townie Go! (already reviewed by Court in another great video) but now you also have the ELECTRA Townie Commute Go! And there is the ELECTRA Loft Go! Online I could, up until now, only find a short introduction of the two latest additions by ELECTRA themselves, but this consisted of a mere summing up of some of the specs.

Now luckily Court (after some serious stalking on my part ;-) has promised to do his review on (one of) the new two Go! models in the nearby future. Depending on whether and how soon he can get his hands on (one of) these bikes ofcourse.
But this would be extra nice because right now there are still some questions about the pro's and cons between these three models.

The newly added models offer hydraulic disc brakes. On paper this looks like an upgrade, but is it also an upgrade in reality? Then there is the alteration to the steer; the new models sport the so called 'café bar steer' it is less straight than the one on the original Townie so what does this mean for your actual seating position? Then there is the difference in the used tires; while the original Townie Go! Sports the famous 26 inch Fat frank balloons the newly added models seem to have less fat tires and am I right to assume they are 28 inch? And what about the differences in total weight?
These are all technical differences apart from the obvious visual differences between the various models of course and the two frame options; step over (male) and the lower step thru (female)
Plus they all come in different colours.

And some questions about the Go! series as a whole.
Like do they also offer walk assist? It is not mentioned anywhere, but I know from our Urban Arrow Family bike, that all Bosch powered ebikes provide this rather handy feature. In The Netherlands f.e. we have quite a lot of underground bike cellars not only near train stations or other public buildings but also underneath quite a lot of appartment buildings in the city. So having to push your electric bike up a pretty steep hill on a daily base is not a very nice idea. Especially when you don't travel light in the first place, or when you're a bit older. Plus the average ebike is just always a bit on the heavy side compared to a regular bike, so a little walk assistance seems like a very good idea and would be a very neat feature on the Go! series indeed!

On a more general note I'd like to add that sadly ELECTRA is, up until now, not very present in my country The Netherlands. Meaning test riding one of their ebikes here has up until now just been impossible. They currently only have one flagship store in Europe which is located in Hamburg Germany. In The Netherlands their official dealers only sell the bikes online meaning they want you to buy the bike first for only then will they order it for you and then they even refuse to take it back because 'they ordered it especially for you'. Meaning there is, up until now, no possibility to check these bikes out first or take them for a test ride prior to deciding if and what kind of model you would like to purchase.

I find this especially sad because the whole checking, trying, comparing and buying process of a bike could and should be such a nice and awesome experience in itself. It could also be such a priceless opportunity for a brand to show and sell themselves to its potential customers and to keep its fanbase happy!
I remember buying each and every bike I own exactly and with my first ELECTRA I even considered sleeping over in the garage. Ok so maybe Im a bit crazy, but just referring people to an anonymous online shop experience while you are marketing and selling a so called lifestyle bike does seem a bit odd? Or at least contradictory.

But I am an optimistic person so let's hope for some progress here and the introduction of some properly equipped ELECTRA (e)bikestores here in The Netherlands soon! For seriously not a day goes by while I'm out and about with my bike that I don't get some positive remarks on my ELECTRA wheels and let me tell you there are quite a lot of bicycles here in The Nethetlands. Just saying! Plus the potential market for safe and stable yet funky looking ebikes is pretty amazing here!

For now I am very much looking forward to watching Court his, no doubt awesome, review video on the newly added member(s) of the ELECTRA Go! Family and on discussing his findings (and those of other people who have had the opportunity to (test) ride any of these bikes and are willing to share) here further. And on informing whoever else is interested here about the further developments in this whole process. Maybe you could help us with your experiences or maybe you find yourself in a similar situation and our story could end up helping you along the way of finding your new ELECTRA ebike!

Keep on rolling ;-)
Marleen

mrgold35
2 months ago

I have two his/her 4" fat tire Radrover I use for work commuting, weekend fun rides, vacations, and trail riding for about 45-75 miles per week (around +1300 miles each since Sept/2016). Very inexpensive Class II bike at $1500 with plenty of power at 750w rear hub motor, 7 speeds, PAS 0-5, throttle, front suspension, and 20 mph top speed. Volt or Teo also make fat tire ebikes in the same price range with about the same capabilities if your used ebike price range is around the same price. The same ebike companies also have folding mini or city only ebikes around the same price range.

What I learned after getting back into biking after a +20 year break was:
- Keep the bike in the Class I or Class II range (PAS w/ or w/o throttle, 750w max motor, 20 mph max). Class III bikes have a top speed of around 28 mph and most often don't have a throttle. There seems to be more restrictions with Class III bikes depending on local laws because of their top speeds (young age restriction, helmet, sometimes registration as motor vehicle, no Class III ebikes on bike/hike trails, etc...). So far, Class I & II bike are allowed everywhere a regular bike is allowed EXCEPT where posted to target ebikes.

- I love having a throttle! I use it pick up speed quickly to get across intersection, to help get started on inclines, a little extra power to maintain my speed for short inclines, used it to push my +65lbs Radrover up 2 flights of stairs, or when my pedals might hit obstacles or hit the ground on tight turns if I pedal. I even used the throttle when my left pedal crank fell off and I used the throttle to get home instead of pushing the bike 3 miles up hill.

- Rack mounting points. Some full suspension bikes don't have rack mounting points or you have to attach a floating rack arm to the seatpost.

- Front suspension. You can really increase your avg speed on an ebike and you will feel every bump more and that will wear on you after a while without a front suspension

- Add suspension seat post like Suntour, Thudbuster, or bodyfloat are top choices.

- Brakes. Disc brakes seem to be standard. I like 180mm size since ebikes are sometimes 2X the weight of regular bikes. Upgrades of disc, pads, or even to hydraulic can be done.

- Tires in the 2"-4" range are really comfy off road and at +20 mph on paved streets. Go smaller if you need to take your ebike on public transportation or +90% urban. Go fatter if you plan to do more off-road with sand, snow, and mud and you need to adjusts the PSI. More tire choices from 100% urban to 100% trail with smaller size tires.

- upright/comfort riding position. Some eMTB might have you lean more forward or have extra wide handlebars. That can put extra stress on back, shoulders, arms, and hands to limit long distance riding.

- bottle cage attachments. Some eMTB don't have any bottle cage attachments. My Radrover comes with three. Bottle cage attachment can be used for other things like bike lock holders, tool kits, or for GPS trackers like Boomerang.

- Locks. U-bolts and chains seems to slow bike thieves down the most; but, very heavy and bulky to carry. Goes back to having an ability to add a rack and rack bag can help carry a good lock.

- Platform Bike rack. Just in case you need to travel with the +60 lbs ebike(s). Platform rack can really secure the ebike with little to no movement when traveling and easier to mount/dismount. I had too much movement with the Softride Dura 4 bike rack and I didn't trust the rubber straps with my +65lbs ebikes. Went with the Saris Freedom Superclamp 4 and very happy with this rack.

mams99
2 months ago

So, while I'm REALLLY all about getting a tandem... if I get into that and actually use it, the next thing I'm going to look into is an electric urban commuter bike.

I love in a burb of DC/B'More. Too far from work to commute it all (20 miles) and it's not a bike friendly commute. I work at the tip top of DC - right on the edge of Silver Spring. Most of my commute time is getting through/out of that area - then I fly. I wonder about parking my car and riding in. Anyone do a commute like that?

I wouldn't want a bike on the car, but fit "in" the car.

Manu
2 months ago

¿The end the route. .....%battery ?Surprise....sduro trekkin is yamaha 250w assist 25km/h.....the urban s is 350w bosh assist 45km/h.....router 330 meters to 1850 meters....all up up up......the 2 ebikes the end route in same time.....I believe .....the cranck 36 and 48 in ebike yamaha great work. ...

George S.
2 months ago

I recently bought a Chinese multimeter with a 100 amp shunt. Basically you hook up 3 or 4 wires (or a relay) and then you have a color display showing amp flow, voltage, watt hours, battery capacity in %, all that stuff. Oh, yeah, and the display is wireless, so you can put it anywhere within 20 feet or so. It’s $30 on Amazon, maybe 60% of that direct. The US does not do any of this. If they do, it’s a specialty product with a huge margin. It’s nice technology. It’s decent production quality. I get everything from China. I get CC-CV boards that are fully programmable as battery chargers for Lith packs, and I can use any end voltage I want. Again, like $20.

If the projections hold true, and it is hard to hide a giant battery factory, 70% of world lithium cell production will be in China. They did this with solar, moving in to be the producer of scale. Musk doesn’t share a GD thing with anyone. It’s all for Musk. Maybe ebike companies will have better access to batteries when China is a quality producer. In any event, prices will drop to where they are for EV companies, around $150 per kWh.

I don’t think Paul marketed the MAC motor very well. It’s clear he got in disputes with Hicks, at Luna, early on. He was supposed to have other arrangements in the US. I love my MAC but I just don’t care about it anymore. Anyone could make a similar motor. Bafang has almost cornered the geared 500w market in the US, at least for minor assembly retail ebikes, not DIY. When Paul wanted a performance cell for his packs, he went with the Samsung 30q. It’s not a cell that seems to hold up. Even the data sheet says 250 hard cycles to 60% capacity. He's using other cells now. Why should I trust any capacity versus cycles number, from anyone?

I don’t know if Paul can stay relevant. I like DIY bikes and I like experimenting with packs. I’m hoping Vruzend works out and I hope some real high capacity cells show up. But, what the heck, my next conversion is probably going to be a van, if anything. People living in vans, urban boondockers, riding ebikes. There’s the future!

Ken M
3 months ago

Clearly eBike/eScooters are going to have to be faster than 20mph or even 28mph to become viable urban mobility and commuting vehicles. If it takes someone 30-60 minutes longer each way to work, the time lost will exceed the value of the gas and parking savings. Rarely can an eBike/eScooter complete replace a car for anyone so they will still be paying for insurance on a car so that potential savings will be rarely realized by these products.

That said, I'm guessing that 50% of more commuters do not need to take a freeway or interstate to work so the performance of a truly practical eBike/eScooter only needs to be 75-80kph (45-50mph). The eBike community and the LEVA talks about "safety" of keeping the speed limits of eBikes at 20mph or 28mph, but I would argue that any speed slower than the traffic flow on a city street increases the safety risk of someone on two wheels. I would feel much safer going 40mph on a eScooter and keeping up with traffic (in a bike lane or actual traffic lanes) than being limited to 2omph on an eBike with cars flying by me doing double that speed (speed differential is more hazardous than a faster eBike/eScooter in my opinion and I'm betting there is data that would prove this to be true).

So why is the LEVA patting itself on the back because California and a few other states have adopted their 3 ebike class rating system. Their top speed is too slow for most people to seriously consider riding to work unless they only have a few miles to travel each way.

We need more people out of their cars to solve traffic congestion issues, so state regulators need to open their minds and consider allowing faster eBikes and eScooters that still don't require registrations are are very low cost register (like in Colorado where it's $5.85 for 3 years to register a light electric vehicle with less than 10bhp) and don't require more than personal liability that a homeowners policy provides. Insurance companies will surely gouge LEV owners if states require owners to have separate liability insurance like they do on cars, yet for every mile someone rides an LEV vs their car the liability for an insurance company is reduced (executives won't care what the actually underwriting data is they will screw any customer they can to get their undeserved bonuses and perks). A SMART insurance company would tell any driver that has their car covered by the company can get FREE coverage for a LEV that they wish to insure as well (common sense says that would be a huge competitive advantage while promoting alternative forms of more efficient transportation).

I think the current state and federal regulations and even the LEVA recommendations are failing urban congestion blight. I suggest all fans of eBikes and eScooters push for regulation reform that allows for real urban mobility transformation (going 20mph is not transformational - that just makes old school bikers feel safe).

Jan Janssens
3 months ago

I’ve been enjoying following the comments on this review and really appreciate hearing the feedback from real ebike owners. I think there are some points raised that we can improve on. What I personally find interesting here is that the Gocycle G3 is being compared with the Stromer and mainly on criteria that are the Stromer's key strengths - high mileage commuting/range/big battery/big motor. As the designer of Gocycle, I’m really encouraged by this given Gocycle is half the weight and also portable! I feel like all of the many years of development and progress made from G1, to G2, G3 and soon our GS is paying off. We are probably closer than ever to delivering a game changing ebike for urban and recreational commuters in value, practical usage, fun, and performance – and in a package that also brings with it many other benefits for the owner simply not found on any traditional ebike currently available.

My sense though in reading is that the Stromer is probably the right choice for most of the reviewers. It’s a very solid and capable ebike.

I wanted to add a few notes though on some of the comments such as “don’t ride it in the rain” which is not true. The G1 was very revolutionary when it launched in 2009 and we wanted to be cautious while we gathered service data from real customers over years and 10,000s of miles. So we had a note of caution in the manual on riding in the rain. I think we also had a note like “if it rains be smart/take your car or the train”, yikes we got stick for that :) !!! I’ve ridden bicycles all of my life and commuted daily rain/snow/sun – very few times I enjoy riding in the rain – but anyway…we quickly confirmed that the Gocycle design was fine in all weather conditions, and we’ve opened up Cleandrives with 8,000 miles of year round British weather riding and the chain and drive components are immaculate. We sell a lot of product to boat owners and we know that while you can never prevent corrosion, we excel against competitors in that area under salty sea air conditions. Last week it rained most all days and I road my G3 to work throughout. In 2012, we had months of torrential British rain and our test fleet of G2s ran everyday collecting 1000’s of miles of heavy wet weather riding. But results also will vary on how the owner takes care of the product. Following the guidelines of the manufacturer and reading the owner's manual will give you the best and highest possible service life.

This is an interesting recent Gocycle owner story on how Gocycle is used in all weather conditions:

https://gocycle.com/review/the-4-seasons-gocycle-rider/

On the comment on security, the cable lock referred to in the review comes free with the product and is mainly for “coffee shop” security as with any cable lock.

If you want a more secure option, the Gocycle lock holster is super convenient, fast and has a sold silver secure rating.

I use it daily and it works well. We’ve put a lot of thought into how and where it is mounted which goes for all Gocycle’s accessories and design. Gocycle does also have anti-theft capability via the app too and we’ve helped a number of customers recover their stolen Gocycles.

Gocycle accessories are more expensive than traditional bikes because they are bespoke designs for Gocycle. That’s a personal choice for potential customers whether to back a company / product that is taking a clean sheeted design approach with total integration or a pick and mix approach from off the shelf standard bike parts.

On the Gocycle Performance tires, they have very low rolling resistance and are a performance item. If you want more durable tires, there are a wide range of alternatives. I run the Gocycle tires in the summer and Schwalbe Big Ben tires in the winter.

On the battery fuel level - we are currently testing a new version of our fuel gauge. After you live with and get to know your ebike what ever the brand, you become less sensitive to range anxiety and in my opinion, the fuel guage should not be a major driver in deciding what kind of ebike to buy. But we’re trying to consider a totally different approach to range information for the user which could be really interesting in the future. Stay tuned!

On the comment about the folding being a novelty and not of practical value, probably that is not a fair statement. Gocycle is not like a Brompton or a Dahon - meaning it is not designed to quickly fold up to take on a train. There's been no compromise to the riding fit and geometry and so that sort of usage is not really a part of the Gocycle's DNA. But the stow-ability of Gocycle is definitely practical and useful! and is one of the key benefits that comes with owning a Gocycle and something that a Stromer in this comparison review cannot do! There are many many times that I have broken it down to put in the car to integrate with family errands, work, social occasions, weather - it is an added convenience that really highlights the flexibility of the product. Having two Gocycles with one folded up over the winter for example saves space. It's practical not just for commuters, but boaters, caravan owners and light aircraft owners.... But also, the Pitstopwheels are much easier to fix flat tires on than traditional bicycles and you don't even get your hands greasy. What other ebike weighs around 35lbs, can drive a 200 lb guy 20 miles/20 mph - and is small enough to fit four into the back of a Ford Focus or a few with room for the dog?

https://www.facebook.com/206815859442009/photos/a.256374007819527.1073741828.206815859442009/512326365557622/?type=3&theater

I’m encourage that Gocycle is being compared head to head with Stromer on commuting usages. That says something about the progress we have made as a company and we appreciate the feedback given here by real owners. It is worth mentioning though that my approach to how an ebike should be designed is different. Two main points 1) Lightweight is VERY important for bicycles and Ebikes, and when there has been a design choice to add more batteries and weight to increase range for example, I’ve not compromised at the expense of increasing weight. 2) Gocycle’s philosophy is a hybrid approach, two-wheel / balanced drive – you power the rear the motor powers the front. I've not compromised on my view that human power input and health/well-being benefits that come with exercise/cycling should always be at the core of pedal two-wheelers.

I've been interested in this Gocycle bike since mid 2016. Because the bike is so expensive I was hoping there would be a price reduction for overseas countries as the British Pound has devalued 15% since the UK decided to leave the EU. However, here in Holland where I live the price has remained the same. I have literaly no clue how this is possible. If I order it online at UK based shops I get a 15% discount, however, I want to buy it a local shop in Holland. It would be great if you explained why Gocycle has choosen for this strategy.

RichardThorpeGocycleDesigner
3 months ago

I’ve been enjoying following the comments on this review and really appreciate hearing the feedback from real ebike owners. I think there are some points raised that we can improve on. What I personally find interesting here is that the Gocycle G3 is being compared with the Stromer and mainly on criteria that are the Stromer's key strengths - high mileage commuting/range/big battery/big motor. As the designer of Gocycle, I’m really encouraged by this given Gocycle is half the weight and also portable! I feel like all of the many years of development and progress made from G1, to G2, G3 and soon our GS is paying off. We are probably closer than ever to delivering a game changing ebike for urban and recreational commuters in value, practical usage, fun, and performance – and in a package that also brings with it many other benefits for the owner simply not found on any traditional ebike currently available.

My sense though in reading is that the Stromer is probably the right choice for most of the reviewers. It’s a very solid and capable ebike.

I wanted to add a few notes though on some of the comments such as “don’t ride it in the rain” which is not true. The G1 was very revolutionary when it launched in 2009 and we wanted to be cautious while we gathered service data from real customers over years and 10,000s of miles. So we had a note of caution in the manual on riding in the rain. I think we also had a note like “if it rains be smart/take your car or the train”, yikes we got stick for that :) !!! I’ve ridden bicycles all of my life and commuted daily rain/snow/sun – very few times I enjoy riding in the rain – but anyway…we quickly confirmed that the Gocycle design was fine in all weather conditions, and we’ve opened up Cleandrives with 8,000 miles of year round British weather riding and the chain and drive components are immaculate. We sell a lot of product to boat owners and we know that while you can never prevent corrosion, we excel against competitors in that area under salty sea air conditions. Last week it rained most all days and I road my G3 to work throughout. In 2012, we had months of torrential British rain and our test fleet of G2s ran everyday collecting 1000’s of miles of heavy wet weather riding. But results also will vary on how the owner takes care of the product. Following the guidelines of the manufacturer and reading the owner's manual will give you the best and highest possible service life.

This is an interesting recent Gocycle owner story on how Gocycle is used in all weather conditions:

https://gocycle.com/review/the-4-seasons-gocycle-rider/

On the comment on security, the cable lock referred to in the review comes free with the product and is mainly for “coffee shop” security as with any cable lock.

If you want a more secure option, the Gocycle lock holster is super convenient, fast and has a sold silver secure rating.

I use it daily and it works well. We’ve put a lot of thought into how and where it is mounted which goes for all Gocycle’s accessories and design. Gocycle does also have anti-theft capability via the app too and we’ve helped a number of customers recover their stolen Gocycles.

Gocycle accessories are more expensive than traditional bikes because they are bespoke designs for Gocycle. That’s a personal choice for potential customers whether to back a company / product that is taking a clean sheeted design approach with total integration or a pick and mix approach from off the shelf standard bike parts.

On the Gocycle Performance tires, they have very low rolling resistance and are a performance item. If you want more durable tires, there are a wide range of alternatives. I run the Gocycle tires in the summer and Schwalbe Big Ben tires in the winter.

On the battery fuel level - we are currently testing a new version of our fuel gauge. After you live with and get to know your ebike what ever the brand, you become less sensitive to range anxiety and in my opinion, the fuel guage should not be a major driver in deciding what kind of ebike to buy. But we’re trying to consider a totally different approach to range information for the user which could be really interesting in the future. Stay tuned!

On the comment about the folding being a novelty and not of practical value, probably that is not a fair statement. Gocycle is not like a Brompton or a Dahon - meaning it is not designed to quickly fold up to take on a train. There's been no compromise to the riding fit and geometry and so that sort of usage is not really a part of the Gocycle's DNA. But the stow-ability of Gocycle is definitely practical and useful! and is one of the key benefits that comes with owning a Gocycle and something that a Stromer in this comparison review cannot do! There are many many times that I have broken it down to put in the car to integrate with family errands, work, social occasions, weather - it is an added convenience that really highlights the flexibility of the product. Having two Gocycles with one folded up over the winter for example saves space. It's practical not just for commuters, but boaters, caravan owners and light aircraft owners.... But also, the Pitstopwheels are much easier to fix flat tires on than traditional bicycles and you don't even get your hands greasy. What other ebike weighs around 35lbs, can drive a 200 lb guy 20 miles/20 mph - and is small enough to fit four into the back of a Ford Focus or a few with room for the dog?

https://www.facebook.com/206815859442009/photos/a.256374007819527.1073741828.206815859442009/512326365557622/?type=3&theater

I’m encourage that Gocycle is being compared head to head with Stromer on commuting usages. That says something about the progress we have made as a company and we appreciate the feedback given here by real owners. It is worth mentioning though that my approach to how an ebike should be designed is different. Two main points 1) Lightweight is VERY important for bicycles and Ebikes, and when there has been a design choice to add more batteries and weight to increase range for example, I’ve not compromised at the expense of increasing weight. 2) Gocycle’s philosophy is a hybrid approach, two-wheel / balanced drive – you power the rear the motor powers the front. I've not compromised on my view that human power input and health/well-being benefits that come with exercise/cycling should always be at the core of pedal two-wheelers.

Khaled Allam
3 months ago

Hi

I'm looking for a test/review of the new Haibike Urban Plus. (here in Europe the name is Winora Radar Speed) The bike is still not for sale in Europe but in the US is it already available (I think).
Thanks!

Bart (Europe)
Yes, they are currently available in Canada and the US. I'm also interested in them too but as far as I'm aware of there hasn't been a comprehensive hands on review. Scooteretti an ebike shop in Canada who carry that model had one of their reps interview a gentleman from Haibike to talk about the Urban Plus. Here is the link to video:

Mark K
3 months ago

Thought I would start a thread for all the SDuro owners to share info, pictures, ride reports, issues, mods and whatever else might be SDuro related. If you have an SDuro please post up the model, size, your height/inseam and anything SDuro related.

I'm 5'8" with a 29" or 30" inseam ( I buy 30" leg jeans). My ride is an 48cm SDuro Cross SM and I believe it's the ideal size for me.

I found this detail on the handlebar pretty amusing. I'm wondering if it was something that was written on a design drawing and accidentally got included in the final product:

Since I ride an SDuro SM which doesn't have an odometer I picked up a CatEye Urban+ wireless. One advantage of this is that if I move the speed sensor to the crank from the rear wheel I'll still have an accurate speedo and odo.

I didn't want to use up any of my valuable "Extra Mounting Space" :D

I located the speed sensor right over the front rotor. This is the third mounting location I tried. It seems awfully close to the rotor but the it's stopped from moving down by the bung for the front fender mount. Also if the sensor should come in contact with the spokes the spokes will just knock it out of the way. I had originally mounted the sensor on the back of the fork but if started interfering with the spokes it would be force into the wheel instead of away from it.

Here is my SDuro Cross in it's natural element on the W&OD bike trail. I took it out for about 10 miles on Sunday which isn't particularly far but it is the longest bicycle ride I've taken in the last 10+ years.

Some upcoming must do mods are a bottle cage, kickstand, and grips. Even on my relatively short ride I was really missing not having water with me. If anyone has recommendation on a good bottle mount and kickstand it would be appreciated.

Your turn.

-Hugh

Thanks for starting this thread Hugh. I own a 2016 Sduro Fullnine RC. I purchased it from Motostrano in Redwood City last December when he was running a killer deal. I'm 5-8, my inseam is 30" and the size I have is a 45cm which is considered a 'medium.' My GF owns a 2016 Haibike Trekking RC which she got from Pedego Avila Beach. She traded a film for her bike. We ride almost every single day and live in the SF Bay Area so there's loads of great roads/trails to ride. I like hilly fire roads and trails in addition to running errands locally. I've dongled my bike with an ASA 25.01 dongle. I've also installed a Thule Pack and Pedal rack onto my bike and fabricated water bottle bosses onto the rack. In addition I installed a Supernova M99 Pure and their E3 2 tail light. I love my bike who I named "Sofia" and it's one of the best purchases I've made in a long while.

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mrgold35
3 months ago

You get a few more upgrades with the Radcity over the Radrover like:
- choice of frame sizes
- standard rear rack that can support panniers
- front and rear fenders
- urban tires (less noise+longer treadlife). The tires can do some trail riding (on improved and maintained dirt trails you might find a large tire stroller, wheelchair, comfort/cruiser bikes would go)
- public transportation friendly with the thinner tires
- smaller footprint for storage or with bike rack
- will fit 99% of bike racks as-is that can support ebikes extra weight (I had to purchase 4 fat tire trays for $80 on top of my +$550 Saris platform rack)

The Radrover has the added capability ride where you mostly see MTB, hikers, or horses on single track (or make your own) trails, sandy, rocky, or uneven terrain. The Radrover and Radcity weight about the same. Because the Radrover is so (tail) heavy, it can't climb/hop over obstacles like a balanced and lighter MTB. I end up stopping and lifting/pushing my Radrover over fallen tree trunks on the trails or making my own trail and going around.

I would only go for the Radrover if you plan to do trail riding and you have the means to transport with personal vehicle. I have two (his/her) Radrovers and I mostly use them for Work Commuting around 13 miles roundtrip. The fat tires are very comfortable at +20 mph on the main roads and they transition smoothly from concrete, on/off curbs, dirt lots, uneven dirt paths, and sandy trails. I sometimes take detours before or after work to ride the +30 miles of paved and single track dirt trials available near the Rio Grande river halfway into my commute without missing a beat. The 4" fat tires really come in handy with the wet, muddy, rocky, and deep sand in some of the trail spots. I think the Radrover would be overkill if you ride in a 85%-100% urban environment. Most folks change out the tires to something like Hookworms to lower tire noise and increase the treadlife on paved roads (I only got 800-900 miles from the rear knobby tires with 65-75% paved road riding).

A plus with having two Rad products are the batteries are interchangeable. You can double your range if riding alone with the extra battery handy. Hard to do with a different brand of ebike. Another advantage with Rover or City is they are Class II ebikes limited to 20 mph, 750w of power, and have PAS+throttle. "Most" state allow Class I & II ebikes everywhere regular bikes are allowed (parks, bike paths, sidewalks, wrong way down a one way street, etc...) unless posted to exclude ebikes. The 28 mph Class III ebikes (mostly PAS only with this class) are very close to motorized vehicle territory for some local and state governments because of their top speeds. They sometimes have more restrictions with requiring helmets, minimal age restrictions, must stay on roadways (no sidewalks), and sometimes 100% no-go on bike paths depending on local/state laws.

Another little secret with either bike is you can adjust the motor cutoff speed from 20 mph to a little under 25 mph in the LCD set-up screen in about 15-20 seconds. Both bikes don't really have the gearing for 25 mph (might have to use PAS 5 and fake pedal or 100% throttle to maintain that speed). The downside is your battery range will most likely be in the low double-digits.

Over50
3 months ago

I don't know about ebike approved but for my urban commute I'm currently using the Kali Protectives City and Bell Annex MIPS. The former comes with removable ear pads for winter, a tuckable visor (doesn't work for me because of eye glasses). Both have rear light clips. The Bell Annex has closeable vents and optionally comes with a visor. Both are highly adjustable as far as fit and I can get em good and snug:

Marc V
4 months ago

Traded in my 1st eBike for the Juiced Bikes ODK U500 V3 and so far got a little over 200 miles clocked in and really enjoying the bike! Unfortunately I have not tried the pedego cargo although I was debating that and spicy and other cargo bikes, I eventually chose the ODK U500 because it was a midtail and I wasn't really in need of a full cargo bike. I also chose this for the range.

I got the 32ah battery and just recently did a range test just to see how it was for me. I'm around 185lbs so 190ish with clothing, I also have the heavy moped tires, and a few accessories that added another pound or two. Test was around the city of Chicago as I mostly use the bike for urban commuting to work as well as point A to B for recreational activities, so mostly paved roads, mostly flat, but Chicago does have bumpy terrain and potholes here and there lol.

Anyway was able to get around 50miles! That is riding it hard though lol. Little to no pedaling. Fought some wind by the lakefront and the bike was still moving around 50miles but it was slowing down, so who knows how many more miles I could have squeezed out at reduced performance but I considered the range test done at that point hehe.

I agree on the suspension, I have it stock on that and it can get bumpy, and I have the rear passenger seat kit from them as well and that can feel bumps even more. So I might look into adding a suspension seat as well as more cushion for my passengers lol.

But if you are into these type of eBikes, I recommend the ODK u500, I am really glad I got it.

Of course, if you have the ability to test ride multiple eBikes that will help you decide.

Take care, ride safe!
Marc V

E-Wheels
4 months ago

Absolutely new to Ebikes, and this website, and with that comes outstanding ignorance.

I'm looking for an Ebike that can make it up hills with a bit of ease (so mid-drive?), that doesn't have too many wires and cables, uses a hydraulic brake system, has a rear and/or front racks, doesn't make much or any noise when using the motor, and looks "professional" or "polished."

This would be a commuter/urban/cargo bike. I am in the USA, male, 5' 11,'' 160 lbs.

I've looked at how some of the specs for an Ebike effect performance (motor output in watts, battery voltage in amp/watt hours, motor torque in newton meters), yet I don't know to what degree all of these matter. I've also seen some bikes were the variables are almost identical yet the mile range difference is drastic.

I also don't know what brands are quality and which aren't. I also don't know how much I should be paying for anything.

I've looked at these bikes so far:

Faraday Cortland: (https://electricbikereview.com/faraday/cortland/)
Gazelle NL C7 HMB (https://electricbikereview.com/gazelle/nl-c7-hmb/)
Walleräng M.01 (https://electricbikereview.com/wallerang/m-01/)

The Faraday is what I first started looking at, but I have no clue if it has enough power or not/if it's worth the price. It is, however, quiet and looks amazing.

The Gazelle has great colors, but some of the main parts of the bike look non-durable or ready to break, there are many wires hanging about, and front basket is too clunky.

The Walleräng looks fantastic, has mid-drive, 500w motor output at max, and has (what I think to be) high quality parts and pieces, but it's seems a bit loud. Is that standard? This is the best ebike out of the 3 I have really examined.

For anyone willing to help me out, this is a sizable post, I am open to all knowledge of Ebikes, opinions on brands, opinions on bikes I've listed, and any suggestions you have of Ebikes that would be best fit for me.

Thank you in advance.
The quietest mid drive on the market at the moment is the Brose motor. If you combine the Brose system that with a Gates carbon belt and an IGH (Nuvinci, Shimano Alfine, Rohloff......) then you will probably have the quietest mid drive ebike you can get at the moment. If you want to research some Brose mid drive ebikes I suggest you check out the Scott E-Silence, Specialized Vado and Bulls Lacuba range. What is your budget.

Zoumios
4 months ago

Absolutely new to Ebikes, and this website, and with that comes outstanding ignorance.

I'm looking for an Ebike that can make it up hills with a bit of ease (so mid-drive?), that doesn't have too many wires and cables, uses a hydraulic brake system, has a rear and/or front racks, doesn't make much or any noise when using the motor, and looks "professional" or "polished."

This would be a commuter/urban/cargo bike. I am in the USA, male, 5' 11,'' 160 lbs.

I've looked at how some of the specs for an Ebike effect performance (motor output in watts, battery voltage in amp/watt hours, motor torque in newton meters), yet I don't know to what degree all of these matter. I've also seen some bikes were the variables are almost identical yet the mile range difference is drastic.

I also don't know what brands are quality and which aren't. I also don't know how much I should be paying for anything.

I've looked at these bikes so far:

Faraday Cortland: (https://electricbikereview.com/faraday/cortland/)
Gazelle NL C7 HMB (https://electricbikereview.com/gazelle/nl-c7-hmb/)
Walleräng M.01 (https://electricbikereview.com/wallerang/m-01/)

The Faraday is what I first started looking at, but I have no clue if it has enough power or not/if it's worth the price. It is, however, quiet and looks amazing.

The Gazelle has great colors, but some of the main parts of the bike look non-durable or ready to break, there are many wires hanging about, and front basket is too clunky.

The Walleräng looks fantastic, has mid-drive, 500w motor output at max, and has (what I think to be) high quality parts and pieces, but it's seems a bit loud. Is that standard? This is the best ebike out of the 3 I have really examined.

For anyone willing to help me out, this is a sizable post, I am open to all knowledge of Ebikes, opinions on brands, opinions on bikes I've listed, and any suggestions you have of Ebikes that would be best fit for me.

Thank you in advance.

Ann M.
4 months ago

No ebike is perfect, this is a thread dedicated to sharing known issues or problems with electric bikes from Urban Arrow as well as any help and solutions you know of. Sometimes that means a DIY fix and other times it can mean a recall, software update or part replacement by a dealer.

Please be respectful and constructive with feedback, this is not a space for hate speech. In many cases, representatives from the company will see feedback and use it to improve their product. In the end, the goal is to enjoy riding and help each other go further and be safer.

DiGiTaLGrAvEDiGGA
6 days ago

So many companies within the eBike scene! Going to wait it out until these eBikes are finalized.

bqironking
2 weeks ago

It's so beautiful I want it 😭😭

Waldo
2 weeks ago

Just out of curiosity, do you have any idea what is battery theft like? Is it something you need to worry about, as in is it worth pulling it off whenever you park the bike for a few hours? I guess it depends on how hard it is to resell them, and how sturdy the locking mechanism that attaches it to the bike is. Seems like it would be harder to resell than something like wheels or a seatpost that are more commonplace, but the value is also higher. This is one of my large concerns when I'm thinking of getting an e-bike, because if it does happen, that will cost me a ton to replace.

Eugenio Urbina
3 weeks ago

Does anyone know anything about the shareroller V2 by Jeff Guida? Have not heard anything about it for the last 2 yes.

Eugenio Urbina
3 weeks ago

I saw your channel exactly 2 years ago and I saw your review on the shareroller V2 can you find out for us what has happened to that gizmo since then ? The guy you interviewd Jeff Guida said alot about his invention and l 've have been searching everywhere on the internet and nothing is showing up . It seemed really promising in many different ways for those of us that like this sort of stuff. Please review This for us if you can find it for us especially since you know how to get a hold of Jeff Guida .thanks...

David Helms
3 weeks ago

I ordered this bike a couple of days ago, thanks largely to this review. I really appreciate the work you do here and on your site.

I think comparing Ohm to Stromer is the right way to look at this bike. It has all the features that I would want from the Stromer without the features that I think drive the higher Stromer prices, but that are not really that important to me.

I prefer the motor, instrumentation and controls of the Ohm, but I like the overall look, with the battery really hidden away, of the Stromer better. At the end of the day, its the build quality, value for money, and the Bionx D500 system that sold me on this purchase.

I'm excited to receive this bike and I'll follow up with my first impressions once I've had a couple of days with it.

joes joey
3 weeks ago

tHESE BIKES ARE CLEARLY SUPERIOR THEN ANY OTHER EBIKE FOR THE PRICE TO. YOU WOULD SAY THE SAME TRYING IT !!

THENEWWRANGLER
3 weeks ago

Can you please take a look at lithium cycles and the super 73 I just ordered a super 73 Rose Avenue

joes joey
3 weeks ago

OMFG been waiting for this one holy freaking cow this is nice! from what ive heard this is the best e bikes in the market strenght and power also heard the ohm cycles staff is great!thanks court for this great detailed review!

Laurence
3 weeks ago

I have a Easy Motion Neo City (2014) , the OHM bike has many outstanding features , rock solid quite and power,,,,, temptation , oh why not , I think I will check this bike out for myself.

Jon Maguire
3 weeks ago

THANK YOU, for sharing all of your knowledge on these bikes! I've watched all of them and am just unable to make up my mind.. I would greatly appreciate if you could help me with any suggestions on a bike for speed that cost around 2500-5000. The bike I need is just to get back and forth from school and work then home to sleep;)
School starts in a few weeks so please let me know soon.
Thanks again !
-Jon

Jon Maguire
3 weeks ago

Electricbikereview.com

Steven Wilson
4 weeks ago

OHM is the one. My biggest concerns about going electric is motor and battery cooling. I live in southern Nevada. The proximity of Ohm to Grin Technologies is something that I'm hoping results in improvements in this area. Thanks for all you do, Court.

rpmbxdj
4 weeks ago

Does Ohm only ship it class 3 for California residents only?

Denis
4 weeks ago

Am I the only one who thinks laws and regulations ruined this industry? The sheer lack of decent performance in pre-made e-bikes me go the "build it myself" route. I just think that if I'm going electric i want it to go faster than I can pedal.

Taz Brown
4 weeks ago

Loving your channel. I have A request...can you do a review on car racks to carry the electric bikes(especially the cargo style bikes that are longer) And standard bikes at the same time. I am a mobile mechanic (I have a rad wagon) and our town has become electrified thissummer in preparation for some major construction happening later this summer which will close down half of our roads. If you have already done this please direct me to the review! Thanks!

Mo Poppins
4 weeks ago

Michael's so sweet and smiley. Great energy. :) Nice review, as always, Court!

F r e e l e e
4 weeks ago

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tongsheng-36-48V-250-500W-Geared-Torque-Sensor-Mid-Drive-Kit-eBike-VLCD5-Display-/232295335702

Juan Noval
4 weeks ago

I tend to favor this style of bike, the urban/city commuter for its more upright and comfortable riding position. I was not too sure about the large hub motor in the rear being so prominent, but after watching the review and visiting OHM's website for a bit more info I really like their bikes. I especially like all the details you point out in the review, like the lower step frame. incorporated lights, four piston brakes, super quiet motor, fenders and integrated rack, etc. You can tell that a lot of thought went into the design of the bike. Of course, the price reflects that.

I think if I lived in a more urban environment or a more bike friendly area, with paths and bike only lanes I could easily see myself replacing my car and just going down to a one car household. I could then justify to myself spending $3800 posted on the OHM website. Regardless, it is a great review and great bike. Great job as always.

ElectricBikeReview.com
4 weeks ago

Thanks Juan! OHM has three models right now and I just filmed the Mountain last night on some trails up in the mountains with wood ladders and rock drop sections... it was amazing, and a little crazy, keep an eye out for that one and thanks for your kind words ;)

christofinb
4 weeks ago

Thanks for this channel it is very informative and encouraged me to go and get and electric bike.
I eventually bought a 'Carrerra Vulcan e spec' which cost me £1000 and it seems to be able to do a lot of what the bikes you have reviewed do and more and a lot of the time for much less than half the money.
Please look into the specs of the bike, I don't know enough about it to really say if the specs are comparable to the bikes you review, but just by riding it and performance alone, think this is great value for money.
Have you an equivalent model in the USA ? would like to see a review if you have, I live in the UK and thus bike runs a Suntour rear hub drive.

christofinb
3 weeks ago

ElectricBikeReview.com Thanks for the reply, Carrera cycles are absolutely huge in this country approximately 5/10 mountain bikes (manual) I notice are Carrera and am wondering being a novice, how their electric bikes measure up with some of the competition.
I think they have released 3 in the electric market, the crossfire which is one of them (being a hybrid version of the Vulcan which is the one I bought) is very well rated.
The priced compared to some you review are about a third of the price and am wondering why they are so good value or money as they certainly don't seem poor quality.

ElectricBikeReview.com
4 weeks ago

That looks interesting, I'll keep an eye out for it and am glad to hear that it's working well for you! It's nice to have so many great options these days :)

Deb Lempke
4 weeks ago

Has a lot of great features, but I think styling is ugly and you can't get the rear tire off easily.

ElectricBikeReview.com
4 weeks ago

Yeah, there's always this trade-off with hub motor ebikes... a few companies have managed to implement quick release but you still have to disconnect the power cable, the BionX D-Series uses a 12 mm axle vs. 9 mm or 10 mm on most other setups and OHM overbuilds their biks so you can ride trail / cross country. All things considered, it does take some extra time and a 6 mm hex wrench to get the rear wheel off but I'd rather have the strength, it's not a deal breaker