Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit Review

Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit Review
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit Planetery Geared Hub Motor
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit 48 Volt Lithium Ion Battery Pack
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit Lcd Display Panel Center Mount
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit Trigger Throttle
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit Button Pad 5 Star Brake Levers
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit Independent Controller Box
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit Motor Axle Closeup
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit Rim Led Control Pad Twist Throttle
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit Dolphin Battery Off Bike
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit Led Display Option Julet Connectors
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit 2 Amp 1 9 Lb Charger
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit Review
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit Planetery Geared Hub Motor
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit 48 Volt Lithium Ion Battery Pack
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit Lcd Display Panel Center Mount
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit Trigger Throttle
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit Button Pad 5 Star Brake Levers
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit Independent Controller Box
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit Motor Axle Closeup
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit Rim Led Control Pad Twist Throttle
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit Dolphin Battery Off Bike
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit Led Display Option Julet Connectors
Electric Bike Outfitters Fat Tire Kit 2 Amp 1 9 Lb Charger

Summary

  • One of the most powerful and expensive kits in the EBO lineup, this planetary geared hub motor is custom designed to be wider for fat tire bikes, two rim sizes, thick 12 gauge spokes, punched out to reduce weight
  • This kit only works as a rear-wheel design but comes in either 170 mm or 190 mm hub spacing, the motor weighs ~10.2 lbs and makes more noise than any of the other kits but freewheels without drag
  • optional half-grip, full-grip, or trigger throttle, you can set this kit up as Class 1, 2, 3, or off-road with speeds nearing 30 mph, compatible with disc-brakes only
  • Fancy LCD display has an integrated USB charging port for portable electronics like GPS or phones, optional LED display is simpler but takes up less space, larger controller is not built-in to the battery creating more frame clutter
Warning, in some configurations this electric bike kit is classified as a moped or motorcycle and may not be ridden on cycling trails or paths. It may require licensing, insurance and lights when used on public roads.

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Introduction

Make:

Electric Bike Outfitters

Model:

Fat Tire Kit

Price:

$1,670

Suggested Use:

Mountain, Sand and Snow

Electric Bike Class:

Pedal Assist (Class 1), Throttle on Demand (Class 2), Moped or Motorcycle (Class 4)
Learn more about Ebike classes

Warranty:

30 Day Return, 1 Year Comprehensive

Availability:

United States, Canada, Europe, Worldwide

Model Year:

2018

Bicycle Details

Battery Weight:

7 lbs (3.17 kg)

Motor Weight:

10.2 lbs (4.62 kg)

Frame Rear Details:

170 mm or 190 mm Hub Spacing Compatible, 12 mm or 14 mm Threaded Axle with Machined ~9.8 mm Spacing

Gearing Details:

9 (Single Speed or Shimano 6 or 7 Speed Cassettes or SunRace 8 and 9 Speed Cassettes)

Brake Details:

Mechanical Wuxing 5 Star Brand Four Finger Levers with Motor Inhibitors, Optional Motor Inhibitor Switch for Hydraulic Brake Levers, Disc or Linear-Pull Caliper and V-Brake Compatible

Rims:

Aluminum Alloy, Double Wall, 36 Hole, Machined Sidewalls, Circular Punched Holes, Black

Spokes:

Stainless Steel, 12 Gauge, with Nipples, Black

Wheel Sizes:

24 in (60.96cm)26 in (66.04cm)

Tube Details:

Schrader Valve

Accessories:

Female USB Type A Charge Port on Battery Pack for Diagnostics Only, Julet Color Coded Water Resistant Wiring (Customizable Lengths and Extenders for Motor and Control Systems), Zinc Coated Steel Torque Arm, Black Motor Color, Optional 3.9" or 4.0" Rim Width, Optional Wuxing Half or Full Twist Throttle (Default is Trigger Throttle), Optional LED Display (Mode: Low, Med, High, Battery Level 4 Dots, Speedometer)

Other:

Locking Downtube-Mounted Battery, Compatible with Disc Brakes (Clamp Diameter 22.2 mm), 30 Amp Controller, 1.9 lb 2 Amp Charger, Enhanced and Re-Written KT Display Manual

Electronic Details

Motor Brand:

Electric Bike Outfitters

Motor Type:

Rear-Mounted Geared Hub
Learn more about Ebike motors

Motor Nominal Output:

750 watts

Motor Peak Output:

1440 watts

Motor Torque:

80 Newton meters

Battery Brand:

52 Samsung 18650 (13 Series, 4 Parallel)

Battery Voltage:

48 volts

Battery Amp Hours:

11 ah

Battery Watt Hours:

528 wh

Battery Chemistry:

Lithium-ion

Charge Time:

4.5 hours

Estimated Min Range:

20 miles (32 km)

Estimated Max Range:

45 miles (72 km)

Display Type:

KT-LCD3U, Fixed, Backlit, Monochrome, Grayscale, Buttons: Up, Power, Down, (Hold Up and Down for Settings, Hold Up for Backlight, Hold Down for Walk Mode)

Readouts:

Battery Level (5 Bars), Backlight Indicator, Brake Inhibitor Indicator, Trip Time, Assist Level (0 to 5), Speed (MPH or KMH), Avg Speed, Max Speed, Motor Watts, Motor Heat (Fahrenheit or Celcius), Odometer, Trip Distance, Battery Voltage, Outside Temperature (°F or °C)

Display Accessories:

USB Type A Port

Drive Mode:

Trigger Throttle, Twist Throttle, Cadence Sensing Pedal Assist (8 Magnet Sensor)

Top Speed:

35 mph (56 kph) (Default 20 MPH)

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Written Review

Electric Bike Outfitters (EBO) has been making retrofit electric bike kits in Denver, Colorado, since 2015. EBO kits are becoming available in many bike shops now and, for those who can’t find their products in a shop, they offer worldwide shipping. I met Jason Livingston, the founder, in the early days when we reviewed some of his first products and he struck me as a relaxed and honest guy. EBO kits may have some limitations, but their 30-day return policy and one-year warranty are reassuring for a product that tends to be priced lower and can be more prone to complications than complete electric bikes. Those complications are minimal, especially compared to a lot of the more generic kits out there, and EBO goes out of their way to make custom accommodations for their customers’ individual needs. For example, they will create cables that are longer than normal so you can mount your display, battery, and throttle in the best possible location on your bike. They offer two battery sizes, two display types, and they even build custom wheels. Their latest product, the EBO Fat Tire kit, is designed and built specifically for use with fat tire bikes. It’s unique in that way, there don’t seem to be a lot of fat bike ebike conversion kits out there in general and this one offers above-average speed with smooth throttle operation. This kit has some serious power and is more than capable of taking on snow, sand, and other soft terrain if tire pressure is set accordingly (I usually lower to ~6 PSI for soft sand). In the video review above, you can see how the throttle can be useful for pushing bikes up. The review location was more of an urban environment, but I plowed through a couple of snow piles and I feel like this bike would be a great option for hunting, expedition biking, or even bikepacking, although the kit does add about 20 pounds of weight to your bike. Even so, the motor is powerful enough that it might enable you to get out of tricky areas without having to carry your bike, you can always hop off and push with the throttle as I did to climb the stairs. This kit comes with a very nice 30 amp controller, although it has to be mounted separately, and it offers one of the most powerful motors out there with a maximum output of 1440 watts and 80 Newton meters of torque. It comes with a black aluminum alloy, double walled, 36 hole rim and extra thick 12 gauge spokes. It is available in 24 inch and 26 inch wheel sizes and they work with both 4 inch and 4.9 inch fat tire sizes. You can choose from trigger throttle, half-twist, or full-twist for more of a motorcycle feel if you wish. I usually opt for trigger throttle when riding off-road in order to keep the grips steady for steering. You get mechanical Wuxing 5 Star branded four-finger brake levers with motor inhibitors, which cut power to the motor when squeezed so you’re not fighting the motor when you need to stop. This feature is especially important considering the high power output of the motor! The brake levers are only compatible with mechanical disc brakes, but EBO offers a magnet sensor that can be glued onto hydraulic levers if that’s how your bike is setup. This is one of the bigger compromises for me, because I would definitely be running hydraulic brakes to handle the power and weight of a converted fat bike, and the magnet setup just isn’t as nice looking as purpose-made levers with integrated motor inhibitors. As far as settings go, you can lower the top speed to feel safer, make the throttle active in assist level zero so you can ride like a scooter, and enable cruise control for long commutes. By default, the bike is set to assist level zero, so that the throttle is inactive. Once you cycle up through the levels of pedal assist, you can throttle at any point to get started or push up a hill, but be careful because it’s hot and it does have a lot of power! As you can see in the video review, I tried this kit on the Surly Wednesday and it takes off pretty fast. This was one of the fastest and most powerful EBO kit that I tried and I was impressed with the overall performance.

To get riding, you mount and lock the battery to the frame, turn it on by pressing the silver circular button on the left side (which has a blue LED glow once activated), then activate the power button on the control pad by holding it down for a couple of seconds. At this point, the LCD screen (or LED console) comes to life. The default display hardware is EBO’s beautifully backlit LCD console with an integrated USB charging port, but EBO does offer to swap it for a more basic and possibly more durable LED console to reduce handlebar clutter. The LED pad is nicer than average because it shows a speedometer in addition to the current charge level and assist mode. Neither one of these two display panels is removable, but both can be swiveled to improve readability or reduce glare. The LED pad is a good option for people who want to mount their smartphone or Garmin front and center. The default LCD console has all sorts of menus, but is operated by just three buttons on a remote button pad within reach of the left grip. This control system combines simplicity with depth and is intuitive to use. Once you get used to it, you won’t need to keep looking down at the display. The power button in the center of the remote pad allows you to cycle through trip stats like odometer, trip distance, average speed, max speed etc. If you’re riding in darkness, you can turn on the backlight on the display by holding the up arrow. Holding the down arrow will activate walk mode if the bike is not moving more than 6 mph already. There’s a timer, a light, and a motor inhibitor indicator. There is a five-bar battery info-graphic, but you can also toggle through the settings to display the voltage level of the battery. I think this is important because the last bar could indicate any level from 0% to 20% and that can be a big difference when you need to know how far you can go before stopping to charge. The thing is, there’s no real guide explaining how to interpret voltage, it’s something you pick up as you go. The up and down arrows allow you to raise or lower the assist setting when clicked briefly. The default configuration is a 20 mph top speed with throttle override (at full power) in assist levels 1-5, but not zero. Once you arrow up to 1-5, the pedal assist sensor goes live and you can instantly use the throttle with full power as an override. Although it comes programmed with a top speed of ~20 mph, you can set the top speed even lower and you can make the throttle active in assist level zero so you can ride like a scooter if you want… Again, so many options here. The settings menu allows you to choose from Class 1 pedal assist (up to ~20mph), Class 2 throttle (up to ~20 mph), or Class 3 speed pedelec (up to ~28 mph). And, for high speed riding or adventuring, you can remove the throttle to ride as a Class 4 with a top speed approaching ~35 mph. In this case, it’s almost a dirt bike and is not street legal, so it’s more suited for private property, forest, or logging roads, which is great since that’s ultimately what this kind of kit is intended for. I appreciate how the display that comes with this kit is so useful and that it allows a bike to be customized for almost any kind of performance.

The Fat Tire Kit features EBO’s planetary geared hub motor, with a wider design to accommodate fat tire bikes. It provides better support for the wider rim by allowing for a wider spoke bracing angle. It’s built onto a 12 mm or 14 mm threaded axle with machined 9.8 mm flat cuts on each side, which fit into dropouts and pushes against the frame as the motor turns. This kit does come with a torque arm, which helps to spread some of that power out and limit frame damage. The aluminum alloy shell of the motor casing is tapered inward to avoid scraping the frame. The double-walled fat bike rim has punch-outs to reduce weight and allow for more compression and comfort. These wheels are hand-spoked with stainless steel, extra-thick 12 gauge spokes, and you can mount a disc brake rotor directly to the side of the hub. Jason unscrewed and opened a motor during the visit so we could look at the copper winding and planetary gearing inside. The gears were plastic, which is not uncommon for motors like this. I have found them to be very durable but also quiet and lightweight compared to steel or aluminum gearing. That being said, this is EBO’s heaviest motor (10.2 lbs total). The wheel is available in 170 mm or 190 mm hub spacing depending on your rear dropout width. It can be configured with a single speed, 6, 7, or 9 speed cassette or SunRace 8 and 9 speed cassette to replace your existing hardware. Hub motor powered ebikes tend to feel zippy and fun and they work well with throttles; they don’t require a custom frame design to interface, and aren’t as vulnerable to rock strikes as mid-motors. Because this motor can support such high speeds, the kit comes with an external stainless steel torque arm to spread the force of the motor and protect your frame and dropouts as mentioned earlier. You’ll have one additional cable to worry about (protruding from the right axle), and this is something to be very careful with. Try not to let the bike tip over and bend this cable or get snagged on foliage or rocks as you ride. If it gets bent or broken, it could mean the end of your motor. It’s a vulnerable point for most hub motor powered ebikes! The happy benefit of this drive system, however, is that it completely separates pedaling from the motor, and reduces wear on the chain, sprockets, and derailleur, compared to a mid-drive system. This makes it easy to shift gears and, when you’re coasting, it still freewheels efficiently. With this bike, I noticed just a little bit of drag from the fat tires themselves, as well as increased noise on pavement.

The kit is powered by a Dolphin style Lithium-ion battery pack, made with Samsung 18650 cells. They’re configured as 13 in series and 4 in parallel to offer 48 volts and 11.6 amp hours (though Jason advertises 11 to set expectations more realistically). So, the battery pack itself is relatively lightweight at ~7 lbs and it interfaces with a plastic slide which you need to screw onto your frame somewhere. There is a sturdy metal track inside the plastic slide, with long slots for inserting bolts. Ideally, you’ll be able to mount this to bottle cage bosses on your downtube. It positions the battery weight, low and center. Lithium-ion cells are known for being relatively lightweight but very durable and long lasting. They don’t develop a memory if you forget to charge them right away, but they are still heat and cold sensitive. Jason recommended recharging after the pack had been depleted to around 20% vs. recharging after every short ride. He explained that this would allow for more full cycles, and help the cell chemistry last longer. However, if you go below 20%, there’s a chemical change in the batteries and this could be hard on them. It’s best to store the battery pack in a cool, dry location, and you can charge it either on the bike frame or off. It locks securely to the frame but has a hinged handle on top for safe lifting and carrying. I do have a few gripes about the battery pack, and the first one is that the slide mount only attaches with two bolts in most cases. Compared to purpose-built e-bikes, it’s just not as sturdy or nice looking (newer bikes have batteries that are sunk into the downtube a bit for even lower weight and sturdier positioning like this). The battery has three ports in the right side (a fuse, charging point, and USB port), and I found the rubber charge port cover a bit tricky to seat properly… I had to be intentional about lining it up exactly before pushing in with some force. The USB port on the battery is disabled to reduce phantom power draw, but remember the display unit has its own USB port for charging phones, etc. The battery charger itself is kind of generic, providing 2 Amps of power output for regular charging speeds, and it’s not super compact or lightweight at ~1.9 lbs, but is still small enough to toss into a bag and bring along on rides. Another thing to keep in mind about the battery pack is that you have to turn it on independently from the display, and this takes a few extra seconds. The time isn’t such a big deal, but you also have to remember to turn it off after each ride. And, if you hop onto the bike before turning the battery on, you might have to bend way down or twist in an uncomfortable way to activate it. This isn’t a big issue, and one that isn’t unique to EBO kits or even purpose-built electric bicycles, but one worth noting. Perhaps the biggest gripe about the battery pack isn’t the pack itself, but the fact that the controller unit is not integrated. This means that you’ll have to find a second mounting position with two more bottle cage bosses. There are aftermarket products like the SKS Anywhere adapter, but the great thing about the Surly Wednesday is that it already has additional bosses along the bottom of the downtube. The controller is much lighter than the battery pack and Jason could probably guide you on what has worked well for other customers in terms of mounting. The Fat Tire kit comes with EBO’s cadence disc, which uses eight magnets (unlike some other kits out there that have 6 or 12). Jason assured me that eight is enough to make it responsive because the disc has a smaller diameter, which also makes it less likely to be bumped. He explained that some customers have purposefully lowered the sensitivity because an accidental partial pedal stroke could unexpectedly engage the motor. Unfortunately, the cadence sensor is one of the more difficult parts of this kit to install; it requires a bottom bracket wrench since you have to take off the crank and slip the the sensor and magnetic disc over the spindle. A lot of us would need some help from a shop to get it on. While it’s not a quick and easy clip-on design, it should be more stable and reliable for rugged off-road use.

With this fat tire e-bike kit you’re getting EBO’s proven hardware – the smooth-operating geared hub motor, the extra powerful 30 amp controller, and water-resistant color coded Julet connectors. The display may not be as fancy as some of the newest available technology, but it gives you tons of options for how to operate it. Even though cadence sensors are known for producing more of an on/off feel, the motor has been designed to ramp up smoothly, so it isn’t jerky or startling. The control systems are intuitive, but deeper than normal, and not locked. Whether you’re riding in bright light or darkness, the LCD should be viewable, because you can activate backlighting. The display is not limited or locked up like most purpose built ebikes and it gives you USB power for maintaining a phone or GPS while you ride. I should point out that the display does seem a bit vulnerable for rugged trail riding and off-road use, but it’s versatile overall and features a lot of useful options for a variety of applications. I can certainly see how the throttle override would be a helpful option for getting started up steep hills or traversing patches of sand or snow. In short, I think this kit is a winner for those who are looking to get maximum power and speed out of their fat tire bikes for trail riding, bikepacking and trekking through varied terrain. If you’re loading up for a camping trip, it’s more than capable of carrying that extra weight. And with a range of 20 to 45 miles from one charge and a sweet cruise control feature, this kit could be used for certain types of commuting, too. It’s good to be aware that the distance you can get from one charge varies depending on the intensity of the terrain. Riding through deep snow or climbing mountains, for example, may shorten the range you can get out of one battery. For long overnight treks you may want to carry an extra battery or a solar panel charger. Another range-extending option is to daisy-chain packs and you can actually accomplish that with this and other EBO kits! I saw a really cool setup on a recumbent trike with two batteries being built with the 48 volt Burly kit on a recent visit to EBO’s shop. Jason has personally edited and clarified the online manual so you can confidently experiment with the many options and settings that are available. A lot of times with kits, you’ll have to interpret limited instructions… so having a good manual and phone number to actually speak with someone is worth a lot. In short, this kit will transform just about any fat tire bike into something with a lot more power and versatility. I found that it was extremely fast and powerful on flat pavement for my 135 lb body weight. I definitely prefer the nimble feel of geared hub motors to gearless (but EBO does offer one of those too), and I like the way this one gets up to speed quickly yet smoothly. Big thanks to Jason and his team for hosting me and partnering with me on this review. He is expanding in a way that seems sustainable, definitely growing, and I love that his support is still above average for the industry (at least the kit industry). It’s part of the slightly higher pricing, and also what makes dealer sales possible. I was impressed to hear that several Denver area shops actually carry his kits and offer them as an alternative over purpose built products. There’s something to be said for recycling an existing bike, breathing new life into an old favorite, or building a truly custom setup that isn’t available anywhere else.

Pros:

  • EBO has been in business since 2015, they offer a generous 30-day return policy with a one year warranty, and they ship worldwide… I trust them a lot more than some of the generic kits found on Ebay
  • The most powerful kit in the EBO lineup, with a peak output of 1440 watts and 80 Newton meters of torque, great for moving heavier bikes through soft terrain
  • The throttle is nice to have for riding in sand or snow because it helps you get started and stay balanced, but you can disconnect it to make this bike Class 1 if you want
  • EBO has been in business since 2015, they offer a generous 30-day return policy with a one year warranty, and they ship worldwide… I trust them a lot more than some of the generic kits found on Ebay
  • Nicer double wall rims, punched out to reduce weight and increase comfort, extra thick 12 gauge spokes to handle more power and weight
  • Can be setup and configured for use as a Class 1, 2, 3, or 4 (off-road/private property) and can be shipped worldwide
  • The top speed can be adjusted to determine how quickly the cadence sensor responds, choose from half-grip, full-grip, or trigger throttle design
  • Capable of being set for higher speeds (up to 30 mph), making it a good kit for hunting, trekking, and adventuring in OHV areas or private property
  • Even if EBO eventually goes out of business or changes some of their kit hardware, you should still be able to get parts and have your battery case re-packed because they are not software locked and follow an open industry-standard vs. being proprietary
  • Given that the battery pack weighs ~7.1 lbs, it’s great that there’s a handle built into the top, so you can carry it more securely, I suggest storing it in a cool dry location and avoiding extreme heat and cold
  • If your bike uses hydraulic disc brakes, EBO does have an optional sensor and magnet unit that can be screwed and glued on to enable motor inhibiting; it’s not as elegant or simple as the stock mechanical brake levers, but it’s a nice option to have
  • The display panel is large, easy to read, full of interesting settings to experiment with (and EBO has a nice manual to help you do so on their website), and it has an integrated USB charging port, though the display cannot be easily removed for protection at bike racks or wet days
  • On the one hand, installing the hard-mounted cadence sensor takes more time and tools than one that is glued or zip-tied on, but on the other hand, it is going to be more secure this way, and I find that it works very well during ride tests
  • EBO offers single speed, Shimano 6, 7, or 9 speed and Sun Race 8 or 9 speed cassette options
  • Being able to transform a fat tire bike into an electric with multiple drive modes and higher speeds like this for just over $1.6k seems pretty good to me; there are cheaper kits out there, but most of them don’t offer this level of performance or support and this is the only one designed specifically for fat tire bikes!
  • For those who want a really compact display, or just less flashy hardware on their bike, EBO offers a black LED control pad with integrated buttons (shown in the pictures above), and I like this thing because it also has a basic speedometer! most other LED control pads only show your battery charge level and assist
  • You can activate walk mode to help move the bike by holding the down arrow if it is standing still; if you enter into the menu settings you can activate cruise control and then when riding over 6 mph, hold the down arrow for a few seconds to set cruise speed; so many options!
  • Before shipping each battery, the team at Electric Bike Outfitters actually drains and refills it to test all of the cells, I was told that they experience a 1% failure rate and by testing like this, it saves you time and hassle as the end consumer
  • Hub motor ebikes can often have more pedal gears to work with than mid-motors (because they can easily support multiple front chainrings), and shifting gears causes less wear because the motor power is separate from the pedaling drivetrain

Cons:

  • At $1,670 this is one of the more expensive kits, but it’s one of the few fat-tire kits available anywhere
  • This kit only works as a rear-wheel design but comes in either 170 mm or 190 mm hub spacing
  • The larger controller is mounted separately, creating a little more clutter; Surly Wednesday works well for this conversion because it has two sets of bottle cage bosses (the second set is necessary for the external controller)
  • The battery charger is a bit basic, only offering a standard 2 Amp power output, and it’s not super compact or lightweight at ~1.9 lbs… still, it should fit into your backpack or other bags easily for charging on the go
  • Unlike a purpose-built electric bike, kits usually have extra wires that aren’t as hidden or neat looking; the battery mount slide connects to the downtube with two bolts vs. three or some even sturdier custom designs
  • The 8-magnet cadence sensor worked pretty well, and can be adjusted for sensitivity in the settings area of the display, but it simply isn’t as fluid or dynamic as a torque sensor or multi-sensor
  • Geared hub motors tend to produce more buzzing noise than gearless, especially when running at higher power; this one is about average and the sound of the fat tires seems to cover up a lot of the motor noise
  • The little rubber cap that protects the charging port on the right side of the battery can sometimes be difficult to seat, it’s a minor annoyance but something worth fiddling with each time to protect from dust and water
  • Installing a kit like this will take a bit of time, energy, and possibly additional tools like a crankset puller and bottom bracket wrench – you might even want to get your local ebike shop to help you, and that adds to the price
  • This isn’t a big complaint, but the USB charging port on the battery pack has been disabled (to reduce phantom power draw over long periods of disuse); there’s a second USB port on the lower right side of the LCD display panel, but sometimes it’s nice to use the battery itself as a backup power source off the bike
  • Most hub motors have the power cable entering into the axle from one side, and this can be a point of vulnerability if the bike tips or you ride close to obstacles that could snag or scrape it; a few of the new Dapu motors have their power cables tucked very closely (behind the disc brake rotor) but I don’t think that you can order them aftermarket as kits
  • Turning this bike on and off requires two steps, which adds a bit of time, you first have to click the battery pack itself on and then press the power button on the control pad, just remember to turn it all off before dismounting, transporting, and storing to prevent accidental activation

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  • MODEL YEAR: 2015, 2016

A feature rich, reasonably priced, electric bike kit with trigger throttle and cadence sensing pedal assist drive modes. The battery pack mounts into a sturdy universal rear-rack that can support ~55 lbs and…...

Electric Bike Outfitters EBO Commuter Kit Review

  • MSRP: $704
  • MODEL YEAR: 2015, 2016

An affordable, all-inclusive electric bike kit available in many wheel sizes (front or rear) with a nice one year warranty. You get a standard 350 watt internally geared motor, 36 volt Lithium-ion battery pack and…...


Jeff Mueller
2 weeks ago

When you can buy a Bafang center drive system (motor, display, battery, etc.), BBS02 750w for $700… you would think you could find a 36V 350W Motor, 36V 11AH kit for $400 or so. $1000 for this kit from EBO. Nope.

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court
2 weeks ago

I hear ya, where would yo go to get the setup you’re describing at that price? I’d love to follow up and review some different brands :)

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Jeff Mueller
2 weeks ago

I bought my kit at bafangusadirect.com for $700 and am including my order summary here: Bafang BBS02 750W Mid-Drive Motor Ebike Kit & 12Ah Panasonic Cell Battery with Charger (48V Ultra-Slim or 52V Dolphin) (1). Sprocket Size: 44 (Most Torque), LCD Display: C961, Battery Options: Ultra Slim 48V 11.6Ah Samsung Cells

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court
2 weeks ago

Sweet, thanks for sharing the details Jeff! Glad you’re enjoying it. Do you have any feedback about how it arrived, installation tips, or any differences between what you got and what I reviewed here for the EBO Ft Tire Kit?

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Jeff Mueller
2 weeks ago

I was really happy with this Bafang BBS02 kit from Bafang USA Direct. Affordable, powerful, basic mechanic skils to install. I recommend it.

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court
1 week ago

Sweet, thanks Jeff :)

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Court
2 months ago

Hi guys!

In recent years, I have discovered a couple of good resources for getting help with refilling and repacking batteries for electric bikes, electric scooters, electric skateboards, hoverboards, neighborhood electric vehicles, and other products that use higher watt hour battery packs (often with Lithium-ion, Lithium-polymer, or Lithium iron phosphate LiPo or LiFePO4 cells).

It sounds like some of the fancier battery packs (Bosch, BionX, Stromer etc.) are more proprietary in design, and if the battery management system (BMS) is damaged or loses power for a moment, the internal memory will be erased and the battery becomes permanently useless or "bricked". For this reason, it seems wise to get help before a battery completely goes dead if possible.

The first resource I discovered was called Rechargeable Power Energy (RPE), and this was back in 2016. I believe that they are based in Las Vegas and part of a larger battery company that also sells kits. In recent years, they updated their website and seem to be operating as the EBike Marketplace. I created https://electricbikereview.com/guides/how-to-replace-an-ebike-battery/ with some pictures and an interview with Sam, from the Electric Bicycle Center in Fullerton California, where he talks about working with this company. You can reach their main landing page for battery repairs https://ebikemarketplace.com/collections/rebuilt-batteries. They advertised on EBR for a short period in late 2017/2018 and then I was told that they were restructuring or having some business changes and needed to pause. I welcome your feedback about them and my goal here is to guide people towards the best resource so they don't have to throw batteries away or end up in a frustrating, time consuming business exchange.

The second, more recent, resource I discovered was called Hi-C Battery. This happened when I was in Denver, Colorado filming reviews for Electric Bike Outfitters. The founder of Hi-C is Patrick Duggan, a former automobile mechanic who lots of shops in Denver know and have worked with for their own battery needs. Patrick is a high-speed kit guy who not only repacks and repairs batteries, but also tries to upgrade them to offer more capacity. He and I spent some time talking on camera and that is included in the EBO tour video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0HDwy5w4uU. Patrick has been super friendly and responsive in sharing what services he is working on offering and asking for feedback about https://www.hicbattery.com/, which looks pretty good.

In my experience, Patrick has been the most responsive and seems to offer the widest range of services for ebike battery repair and repacking. He strikes me as an expert and my goal in sharing with you here is to help reduce waste by recycling and re-using existing ebikes vs. having to buy a new one. Many companies, including Bosch, seem to have their own programs and replacement packs available, but many older or smaller companies may not provide this level of support or simply may have gone out of business. I welcome your feedback and links to other great service providers and programs for recycling old packs, tips on shipping with hazmat hazardous materials, and your experience actually working with these companies.

Here are a few closing notes from a text exchange that Patrick and I had recently. He said that he has been studying reviews on EBR to determine which battery pack designs to stock and sell. He believes that Hi-C will be able to cover 75% of the batteries being sold with his replacements, about 15% of bikes will have to recycle the original case and rebuild the cell insert which is more expensive. Most of the cells he uses are high drain Lithium-manganese (INR) chemistry. The final 10% of batteries use the proprietary BMS and may be rebuildable... but only if the power has not shut out completely and reset the software. He is also able to rebuild custom packs for electric rides which I review sometimes on https://electricridereview.com/. He told me that one of the main reasons he has chosen to offer rebuild services is that he hates to see useable items wind up in the landfill. He's not into planned obsolescence... and I agree with him there :)

Ann M.
1 year ago

No ebike is perfect, this is a thread dedicated to sharing known issues or problems with electric recumbent bikes from Electric Bike Outfitters as well as any help and solutions you know of. Sometimes that means a DIY fix and other times it can mean a recall, software update or part replacement by a dealer.

Please be respectful and constructive with feedback, this is not a space for hate speech. In many cases, representatives from the company will see feedback and use it to improve their product. In the end, the goal is to enjoy riding and help each other go further and be safer.

Alphbetadog
1 year ago

Also consider installing a kit such as the Electric Bike Outfitters if you like your current bike.

Ken from Philadelphia
1 year ago

I purchased this bike, https://biria.com/bike/balloon-7, on 12/1/2016. I had been looking for a used one for about 6 months with no luck. My bike is black with black wall tires. It's a nice bike even without electrics.
Around 2/1/2017 I added a 350W front wheel kit from Electric bike outfitters, http://www.electricbikeoutfitters.com/ebo-cruiser.aspx
I didn't want to be the fastest kid on the block, but I do want to cruise with and sometimes without electric power. Hopefully this combination will be the ticket.
So far I've only put about 1.5 hours on the bike. I'm still in the test ride mode.
I'll post updates here.
Ken

Alphbetadog
1 year ago

I'm delighted with the EBO kits, and even put one on my wife's bike which has enabled us to do a lot more riding together. Almost every Sunday we ride quite a ways down the pathways to old town and have a nice lunch together. They are rated 350 watt geared motors and assist up to about 19-20mph, and I have gone 43 miles and still had a "bar" of charge remaining.

supramax
1 year ago

Very nice. I'll check out Electric Bike Outfitters. I was just reading a thread and watching a video on a Dillenger front wheel kit that was really affordable and had everything on my wish list for a conversion kit, except it was only a 350 motor and a front wheel conversion. I originally wanted the front wheel conversion, but I want more power and a rear wheel conversion seems a whole lot safer.

Alphbetadog
1 year ago

Supramax, if you already have a bike you like, a kit is a great way to go. I started out with putting an Electric Bike Outfitters kit on my old Trek 830 and it is a wonderful machine. In fact, it is my "go-to" bike for riding on the street, bike paths, and errands, despite my having a couple of mid-drive emtbs.

Ann M.
2 years ago

Exploring a more high powered direct drive motor system, Court reviews the rugged Electric Bike Outfitters' new Mountaineer system. This is an opportunity to see a system tested on a crunchy off road trail!

The Electric Bike Outfitters EBO Mountaineer is a high power, high speed electric bike kit capable of 30 mph top speeds, can be operated with pedal assist, trigger throttle or optional twist throttle. Heavier but sturdy 750 watt gearless hub motor, can be mounted in the front or rear wheel (I'd recommend front) and works with 0, 6, 7, 8 or 9 speed cassettes. Custom 25 Amp controller is built into a metal box that attaches to seat tube bosses so you need to make sure your bike has them there. More basic LED console with limited readouts, five magnet pedelec sensor isn't as responsive, decent warranty and overall low price for this much power and speed.

Tara D.
2 years ago

The Electric Bike Outfitters EBO Front Range Kit is a powerful gear-less hub motor kit capable of being installed as a front or rear wheel, sturdy and relatively quiet!

Ann M.
2 years ago

Denver based Electric Bike Outfitters newest kit, the Phantom, is either a front or rear mount with a narrow enough profile to install on a single gear bike. Nice too, is that this kit comes with disc brake mounting and available for a number of wheel sizes.

The Electric Bike Outfitters EBO Phantom Kit is an affordable electric bike kit with everything you need to get going: motor, battery, throttle, pedal assist. Custom designed casing is narrower than many other 350 watt motors and fits in 100 mm dropouts without scraping the fork, perfect for cycle cross, fixies and city style bike conversions. Front or rear wheel compatible, available in 16, 20, 24, 26 and 700c ~28" sizes, you choose from single speed, 6, 7, 8 or 9 speed cassette options for a bit extra. Fewer magnets on the cadence sensor (5 vs. 12) so not quite as responsive, have to take the crank arm off to get it installed, smaller battery capacity (but also lighter and smaller size), solid one year warranty on the kit.

MarkB
2 years ago

I heard back from Katie M. at etrailer.com recently. She included this link:

http://www.etrailer.com/partlist.aspx?pc=HRSPRWH-F,HR1450E&csrid=917

It will meet my requirements of a 2" receiver hitch mount, will mount 2 bikes with fenders, will carry the weight, and the accessory fat tire kit will accept up to 5" wide tires. They also sell a variety of 2" receiver hitch kits for a standard travel trailer 4" square bumper. It specifies that this bike carrier is not designed to be used on a towed vehicle, however she clarified that with two bikes on the carrier it would bounce too much. She said it would work fine on the bumper of my trailer with only the RR on the carrier. So I may go for this combination...

Mark -

stevenast
3 years ago
gaviganr
3 years ago

Does anyone have recommendations for a mid drive fat tire kit? I purchased a wal-mart "mongoose beast" and want to convert it, but almost all mid-drive kits require a 68-73 mm bottom bracket. My bike has a bottom bracket that's approx. 115mm wide.

Start a new fat tire kit thread on the page