Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat Review

Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat Electric Bike Review
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat Brose Trail Tune Ebike Motor
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat 36 Volt Ebike Battery Control Pad
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat Sip Grip Locking Grips Handlebar
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat Rockshox Bluto Rl Solo Air Suspension Fork
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat Zee Cage Ii With Swat Tool
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat Sram Guide R Hydraulic Disc 200 Mm
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat Command Post Dropper Seat Post
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat Ground Control 4 6 Tires
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat 10 Speed Sram Dx
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat 12 Mm Rear Thru Axle 180 Mm Rotor
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat 4 Amp Ebike Charger Magnetic
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat Electric Bike Review
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat Brose Trail Tune Ebike Motor
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat 36 Volt Ebike Battery Control Pad
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat Sip Grip Locking Grips Handlebar
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat Rockshox Bluto Rl Solo Air Suspension Fork
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat Zee Cage Ii With Swat Tool
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat Sram Guide R Hydraulic Disc 200 Mm
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat Command Post Dropper Seat Post
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat Ground Control 4 6 Tires
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat 10 Speed Sram Dx
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat 12 Mm Rear Thru Axle 180 Mm Rotor
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat 4 Amp Ebike Charger Magnetic

Summary

  • A hardtail, fat tire electric bike with high-volume 4.6" tires, four frame size choices, and an extensive network of dealers in the United States
  • Sturdy thru-axles provide stiffness and strength, the RockShox Bluto air fork provides comfort with lots of adjustability, dropper seat post offers 12 positions
  • One of the leading designs for motor, battery, and wire integration... the bike is stealthy looking and rides quiet thanks to the Brose motor with belt system
  • Minimalist control panel, you have to reach down to the left side of the frame to change assist levels, the LED battery readout cannot be turned off and is distracting

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Introduction

Make:

Specialized

Model:

Turbo Levo Comp Fat

Price:

$5,000

Body Position:

Forward

Suggested Use:

Sand and Snow, Trail, Mountain

Electric Bike Class:

Pedal Assist (Class 1)
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Warranty:

2 Year Battery and Motor, Lifetime Frame and Fork

Availability:

United States, Europe

Model Year:

2017

Bicycle Details

Total Weight:

52.3 lbs (23.72 kg)

Battery Weight:

6.5 lbs (2.94 kg)

Motor Weight:

6.61 lbs (2.99 kg)

Frame Material:

Specialized A1 Aluminum Alloy, Forged and Braced Motor Mount

Frame Sizes:

15.5 in (39.37 cm)17.5 in (44.45 cm)19 in (48.26 cm)21.5 in (54.61 cm)

Geometry Measurements:

Medium 17.5 Measurements: 17.5" Seat Tube, 22" Reach, 29.25" Stand Over Height, 30" Width, 75" Length

Frame Types:

High-Step

Frame Colors:

Satin/Gloss Charcoal with Rocket Red Accents

Frame Fork Details:

RockShox Bluto RL Solo Air Suspension, 100 mm Travel, Compression Adjust with Lockout, Rebound Adjust, 150 mm Hub Length, 15 mm Thru-Axle Stealth Maxle

Frame Rear Details:

Stout XC, SRAM XD Driver Body, Sealed Cartridge Bearings, 148 mm Hub Length, 12 mm Thru-Axle

Attachment Points:

Bottle Cage Bosses

Gearing Details:

10 Speed 1x10 SRAM GX Derailleur with Locking Clutch, Sunrace 11-40 Tooth Cassette

Shifter Details:

SRAM GX Triggers on Right

Cranks:

Custom Alloy Arms, 32 Tooth Chainring

Pedals:

Alloy Platform

Headset:

Tapered 1-1/8" to 1-1/2" Threadless, Campy Style Upper, Sealed Cartridge Bearings

Stem:

Specialized 3D Forged Alloy, 60 mm Length, 4-Bolt, 6-Degree Rise, 31.8 mm Clamp, Two 10 mm Spacers, Two 5 mm Spacers

Handlebar:

Specialized, 6061 Alloy, 6-Degree Upsweep, 8-Degree Backsweep, 27 mm Rise, 750 mm Width

Brake Details:

SRAM Guide R Hydraulic Disc with 200 mm Front Rotor and 180 mm Rear Rotor, 4 Piston Calipers with Metallic Pads, SRAM Guide R Two-Finger Levers with Finger Adjustable Reach

Grips:

Specialized Sip Grip, Light Lock-On, Half-Waffle, S/M: Regular Thickness, L/XL: XL Thickness

Saddle:

Body Geometry Henge Sport, Steel Rails, 143 mm

Seat Post:

Command Post IRcc Dropper with 125 mm Travel, Micro-Height Adjustable, Alien Head Design, Bottom Mount Cable Routing, Remote SRL Lever on Left

Seat Post Length:

100 mm

Seat Post Diameter:

30.9 mm

Rims:

Stout XC, Hookless Alloy, Punched Out, Single Wall, 90 mm Inner Width, Sleeve Joint, 32 Hole

Spokes:

Stainless Steel, Butted, 2.0/1.8/2.0 mm, Black

Tire Brand:

Specialized Ground Control, 26" x 4.6"

Wheel Sizes:

26 in (66.04cm)

Tire Details:

5 to 20 PSI, 04. to 1.4 BAR

Tube Details:

Presta Valve

Accessories:

Plastic Chain Guide, Zee Cage II Right Bottle Holder with SWAT Tool, Integrated Rubberized Slap Guard, Rubber Fork Crown Bumpers on Downtube, Plastic Skid Plate on Bottom Bracket, Optional Replacement Battery Pack $800, Optional 1.3 lb Portable 1.6 Amp Charger

Other:

Removable Downtube Mounted Battery Pack (15 mm Diameter Bolt with 6 mm Hex), Battery Stops with 4% at Top and Bottom to Avoid Straining Cells, 2 lb 4 Amp Charger with Rosenberger Plug (Magnetic EnergyBus Standard), IP67 Water and Dust Protection Rating on Battery Pack, Fully Sealed Cartridge Bearings

Electronic Details

Motor Brand:

Brose, Trail Tune

Motor Type:

Mid-Mounted Geared Motor
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Motor Nominal Output:

250 watts

Motor Peak Output:

530 watts

Motor Torque:

90 Newton meters

Battery Brand:

Samsung

Battery Voltage:

36 volts

Battery Amp Hours:

12.7 ah

Battery Watt Hours:

460 wh

Battery Chemistry:

Lithium-ion

Charge Time:

3.5 hours (7 Hours with Optional Travel Charger)

Estimated Min Range:

25 miles (40 km)

Estimated Max Range:

50 miles (80 km)

Display Type:

Integrated 10 LED Console on Downtube

Readouts:

Battery Level, Assist Level (1-3)

Display Accessories:

Integrated Button Pad on Downtube, Mission Control App (Bluetooth, iOS and Android), ANT+ Wireless

Drive Mode:

Advanced Pedal Assist (Rear Wheel Speed, Pedal Cadence, Pedal Torque)

Top Speed:

20 mph (32 kph)

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Written Review

Specialized introduced their first electric bike internationally back in 2012, it was a road-only model that turned heads because it was beautiful looking and super quiet. In 2016 they wowed ebike enthusiasts again with their first mountain models in the US including a hardtail called the Turbo Levo, and this review is for the fat tire version of that bike called the Turbo Levo Comp, I got to test ride and review the 2017 model. Priced at $5,000 it isn’t the most affordable electric mountain bike on the block but it was designed from the ground up to be a respectable mountain bike first and then thoughtfully-electric. The wires are internally routed, the mid-drive motor completely replaces the bottom bracket and merges with the frame to raise clearance and lower suspensions, and the battery pack slides up into the downtube from below. The entire geometry of the bike was built around the added weight of these e-systems, the thicker tubing, and extra large 4.6″ wide fat tires. It’s more relaxed and upright, offering cross country performance, and is being produced in four frame sizes so you don’t have to compromise body position and comfort if you’re a relatively tall or short rider. However, there’s only one high-step frame style vs. mid-step or step-thru and the top tube isn’t angled very much. So thankfully, the bike comes with a seat post dropper stock. Admittedly, I’m a bit of a fanboy for Specialized and actually purchased one of the more expensive FSR full suspension models myself in early 2016 because it was one of the first Brose motorized bikes to hit the US and I wanted to see how the motor performed. So far, I’m loving it!

In my opinion, Class 1 pedal assist performance is perfect for fat bikes because it offsets their weight and slower high-friction tires. Even though it’s very trail capable, this can be an all-purpose electric bike capable on paved roads, soft loamy Earth, sand, and even snow if you take the tire pressure all the way down to 5 PSI. Specialized chose a 250 watt nominal motor and kept the 20 mph top speed limit to say within the realm of human performance (albeit, a super-athlete). Whether you’re using an ebike to recover between hard rides, more of a weekend warrior or someone dealing with an injury, managing seasonal snowfall, or building trails, this thing is a blast to ride… but it does sacrifice on utility. There are no rear rack bosses or fender mounts. The rear seat stays are so wide that even aftermarket racks could be difficult to mount and the tire is so tall that a beam rack probably wouldn’t work unless you swap out the seat post dropper. Perhaps a trailer or backpack is the best solution, and there’s also no pedals or a kickstand (or provisions for adding a kickstand). The bike is relatively lightweight in part because it is so focused on being a sport platform, but I miss some of the little extras, especially because it’s a hardtail. While conducting this review, I spoke with a marketing rep named Sean Estes who explained that ebikes can distribute people across trails because they allow you to focus more on the parts of riding that you enjoy and can overcome steep ascents and boring terrain, even get you to local trails vs. driving to something more interesting or enjoyable on a traditional bike. I like to think that more people riding any kind of bikes means more trails being built. There’s a lot of torque in this motor, up to 90 Newton meters, and the brakes are very capable with 200 mm up front and 180 mm in the rear. I like that the levers offer tool-free adjustable reach and can be used with just two or one finger. It runs a 1×10 drivetrain with the heavier, less expensive, SRAM GX which performed great and is fairly comparable to the SRAM XX1 (lighter) and still has the clutch to reduce chain bounce and slap. I love the long rubberized slap guard on the right chainstay and appreciate the stainless steel chainring with narrow wide tooth pattern and plastic top guide to prevent drops. Steel is heavier than Aluminum but less porous which means that mud won’t stick to it as easily. It’s just a tougher drivetrain, capable of handling the added forces of a mid-motor. And that’s great, because the Brose system doesn’t offer shift detection and you can mash the gears hard if you shift without care. Note the punched out rims for added flex and reduced weight, the way they customized the seat post dropper with a trigger that matches the size and visual design of the right gear shifters, the short chainstays and straight downtube for snappier handling (and the rubber bumpers to protect from over-steer). Generally speaking, the motor is very quiet and smooth, it starts and stops quickly by measuring rear wheel speed, pedal cadence, and pedal torque, but you won’t know exactly how fast you’re going because there’s no integrated display panel.

So, the motor is rated at 250 watts nominal, which is efficient, but it actually peaks out closer to 530. It climbs very well, even on steep terrain with the larger tires and heavier build of the bike, it hasn’t failed me or my friends when riding on actual mountain terrain in Colorado, California and elsewhere as long as we shifted thoughtfully (sorry I didn’t get some true off-road shots for the video here). It isn’t as easy to bunny hop or lift this bike when navigating technical terrain (compared to a non-ebike) but it’s something you get used to and is applicable to almost all ebikes today which weigh 45 to 60+ pounds. I realize this video review was a bit underwhelming since I was just in the Specialized backlot and pump track but hopefully it illustrates an interesting point. The bike blends in, and being a hardtail, would work well for commuting and neighborhood use. It does’t have a big fancy display that could get scratched at a rack, it has 10 gears with a wide 11-40 tooth spread, so even pedaling unpowered feels comfortable, and the stylish but dark frame doesn’t attract unwanted attention from fellow commuters or trail riders… I think the internally routed cables also look great. I personally feel that people respect specialized so even if they do notice it’s an electric model, you might get more interest vs. seeming like some sort of motorcycler. Specialized makes bicycles, and they’re a longtime leader. The quick release skewer and bolt-in battery aren’t great for urban parking (there’s no traditional keyed locking core for the battery mount) but the battery can be removed easily enough, if you take the time to unscrew it every time. It’s a nice option for charging in-office and the EnergyBus charger uses a magnetic connector that eliminates bent pins and snag drops or trips. I was a bit bummed that the seat stays didn’t have bosses for adding a rear rack as mentioned earlier, but it’s a purist bike… what you do get are bottle cage bosses which work perfectly for the Specialized Zee-Cage and SWAT EMT tool. There’s plenty of room in the center triangle of this bike for mounting a frame bag or hanging on car and bus racks without snagging cables or bumping sensitive bits.

Powering the bike up is incredibly fast and simple. Once the battery is charged (on or off the frame) you press the center rubberized button on the left side of the downtube to power on. With a sort of dance, it shows 10 LEDs (all green when full and changing to red as 10% increments are expended). Above and below the power button are rubberized up and down buttons that change assist level. You’ve got three choices for power and they can be modified using the app. These rubber buttons seem well protected against water and are inset to reduce snags or crushing if the bike tips… but they aren’t as easy to reach as handlebar mounted buttons. It’s a simple, rugged, and non-distracting design for the rider, but ironically I feel that it can actually generate more interest and attention from other cyclists because of the lights. It’s one of the areas I’d like to see addressed with the Mission Control smartphone app someday. I’d like to be able to turn off the side LED lights! The fact that this electric bike (and all newer Turbo models) are compatible with a “Mission Control” app, and that it works on select Garmin devices, is a huge win which offers some unique abilities that very few other ebikes have. And ultimately, even if LED light control isn’t one of them, it’s an issue that black electrical tape can fix. While the app sort of makes up for the lack of a more traditional bar-mounted ebike LCD display, it doesn’t completely address the need to bend over in order to change assist levels. The idea seems to be that you choose an assist level once and then focus on riding. And because the motor controller measures torque, the range of power output is actually very satisfying and I didn’t find myself needing to switch power levels frequently. The app lets you tune acceleration, torque and power for the second level of assist as well as record rides in an e-bike specific area of Strava. You can search and plot courses with GPS and even tell the bike to “get me there and back without draining the battery” to help reduce range anxiety, but it will reduce the power and speed you’re given along the way. In my own experience, the app is cool but not something I use regularly. One of the biggest reasons for this choice is that it requires Bluetooth and uses GPS while also illuminating my screen and there is no USB charging port built into this ebike to offset that drainage. A couple of other reasons I haven’t frequently used the app are that my phone is huge and I don’t want to mount it to my bars and sometimes when I’m trail riding I don’t get good reception so the GPS feature seems limited. One approach to use the app but reserve your phone battery life would be to set the custom performance level with the phone and then just toss it in a bag or your pocket with the screen turned off. I guess what I’m saying is that it’s nice to have an app and I LOVE that my Garmin can control it vs. my phone but I don’t use it for much beyond tuning. More of a set it and forget it ;)

At the end of the day, the Turbo Levo Comp Fat is what I would consider a premium cross country and trail-ready fat tire electric mountain bike, even at the Comp level (which is Specialized’s entry point). You can definitely spend more and get higher capacity batteries, more aggressive geometries, and reduced weight, or even some full suspension fat ebikes from other companies if fat tires are your thing, but the Turbo Levo Comp is still very lightweight, well designed, and well supported. It’s the kind of technology that is fun, can help overcome injuries, is a capable commuting platform because of it’s excellent range and app route planning performance, and it doesn’t stand out. It’s not as comfortable as the FSR full suspension models which is what I chose because of my knee and back injuries, but with high-volume 4.6″ wide tires, this is still way more comfortable than average and the air fork is great. As an owner of a Levo, I still have an unpowered mountain bike, it’s a Specialized Stumpjumper, that thing is much lighter and great fun in its own ways… but I cannot go as far or climb as easily with it (which can add a lot of time). The Turbo Levo ebikes have been designed as a bicycle first with all of the same hardware and accessories as similar unpowered models from Specialized but they simply take you further. It’s as easy to tune and upgrade, and shops don’t seem to be as put off or intimidated by it as some other electric bicycles in my experience, but it still has cutting edge technology there. It’s meant to “just work” without a whole lot of thought and to fit right and ride well. Someday you might need to replace the battery pack, or even want to upgrade the battery to a larger capacity, but the motor is very durable and should just work. You can maximize the lifespan of most Lithium-ion batteries by storing them in a cool dry location and leaving around 50% if you won’t be riding for months. Inside the Brose motor is a belt system (Gates Carbon belt) that produces a smoother more natural feel but is very durable, and the manufacturer, Brose, is a German automotive company with years of experience in the Ebike space. I would consider them a leader. It’s exciting to see more companies stepping into the space, really investing themselves and showing what’s possible now. On the one hand I missed some of the little extras found on electric-first ebikes like a USB charger, LCD display, kickstand, rack and fender options etc. but these are not items you’d find on many normal mountain bikes and I respect that Specialized set them aside and made something more pure here with the Levo Fat, even if they did put ten bright LED lights on the side.

Pros:

  • The bike frame is beautiful, I love that it hides cables in addition to the motor and battery pack, there isn’t even a display panel here… it’s meant to blend in
  • This is one of the few electric mountain bikes I’ve tested that has bumpers to prevent oversteer and frame contact of the fork (since the downtube is a bit longer), nice little touch and another “purpose built” feature
  • It’s becoming more common with ebikes but this is one of the few fat tire mountain models I have seen with bottle cage bosses, you could carry a folding lock, mini-pump, or use the Specialized Z-Cage and SWAT tool as shown in the review
  • Most of the additional weight from the motor and battery are positioned low and center on the frame for improved balance and handling, it’s always nice to be able to remove the battery too for easier lifting and transport
  • This is a relatively quiet and stealthy electric bike, great for riding on trails where some riders might not be as receptive to e-bikes, it’s a Class 1 so allowed in more spaces than any other type of electric bike (pedal assist only, 20 mph max speed)
  • Priced at ~$5k this isn’t exactly a cheap electric fat bike but it’s the entry price point for the Turbo Levo fat tire series and it comes with a great warranty, dealer support (from a wide network of dealers) and is made in four sizes so the overall experience should be great
  • The extra fat 4.6″ tires improve comfort by adding cushion and in my experience they grip well and handle soft surfaces excellently (such as snow or sand, just lower the air pressure), they do increase drag a bit and create some buzzing noise on concrete
  • Sturdy thru-axle design for both wheels increases stiffness and manages trail and mountain terrain properly, the bike is purpose-built and not just an existing frame with battery and motor attached, the frame geometry is specific
  • I’m a big fan of the seat post dropper (which uses internally routed cabling), it allows you to mount the bike easily and handle transitions from efficient pedaling to shock-absorbing squats with the press of a lever, the bike only comes in diamond high-step so the dropper just makes it more approachable in general
  • I wouldn’t call this bike super light weight at ~52.3 lbs but it uses high quality Specialized M1 Aluminum and the RockShox Bluto air fork is lighter and more adjustable than a lot of competing fat ebikes
  • Extra large 200 mm hydraulic disc brake rotor up front front (the rear is 180 mm) offering improved stopping power and smoother more controlled stops for the added weight and forces of big tires
  • In addition to the mobile phone app (iOS and Android), you can actually download a special app to some Garmin devices and use them to adjust bike performance and battery use so you arrive without fully expending the charge, it connects with a special ebike area of Strava as well

Cons:

  • The battery integration looks great and the pack doesn’t rattle but it really isn’t “locked” into the frame, a standard 6 mm hex wrench bolt holds it in place… at least you don’t have to worry about losing the key but a thief could get at it easier and they cost a lot so be careful, the battery also doesn’t have a handle or easy grip area so maybe use two hands when carrying it to be safe
  • The simple LED side display concept makes good sense for mountain biking because it keeps the handle bar clear and there’s less to break if you crash but the lights can attract unwanted attention, this is something I’d like to have an option to disable in the app, some people use electrical tape to cover the lights
  • Without a standard LCD computer screen or clicker buttons at the bar you don’t get the same feedback about speed, range or battery and aren’t able to adjust on the fly without taking a hand off the bar (or stopping completely to reach down to the buttons on the downtube), you can use your phone for more feedback but then you’ll drain its power as there is no USB charging port on the bike within reach
  • No rack bosses on the seat stays and a wider opening mean that hardly any racks will work with this ebike, you might have to resort to wearing a backpack, a beam rack option might work but would raise the seat post dropper (do not mount it to the sliding part of the seat post)… I bring this up because hardtail fat bikes are often sought out for hunting and other expedition type rides where you need to carry gear, perhaps a trailer could be used
  • The Brose motor system is compact, quiet and responsive (with cadence and assist sensors) but doesn’t offer shift sensing so you can mash gears and wear the chain faster if you don’t pedal and shift carefully (just let off a bit and ease the motor out when shifting), Brose also has a new high-torque motor for 2018 but this review is for the 2017 model
  • Specialized opted for a more compact, smooth look at the bottom bracket so you’ve just got a thin plastic shield around the motor vs. a tougher, possibly easy to replace metal skid plate seen on some of the other bikes… just a different approach and probably fine for cross country riding, I believe there is a sticker protector for the downtube to keep little rocks and things from chipping the paint
  • Considering the large capacity of the battery pack and the ability to sync the bike with apps and select Garmin devices it would be nice if there was a USB charging port somewhere so you don’t drain your portable device using wireless and GPS featuers
  • The magnetic plug on the charger and at the bottom bracket can pick up junk from your floor (like staples, nails, iron filings etc.) so just try to keep it clean, another minor consideration is that the bike doesn’t come with a kickstand or provisions for adding one yourself
  • I don’t think this electric bike comes with pedals, it’s a minor gripe but you’re paying a lot already, at least the Specialized dealer will have some great options to choose from

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Flavia
6 months ago

I test rode the Specialized Turbo FSR Comp 6Fattie – Women’s version – at Wheels World in Culver City. It is a fantastic e-bike with the quality one would expect from Specialized. I also loved the store that is run by true to the heart bicycle riders. Brad took me out on a brief test ride to check how the Specialized with Brose compares to the Bosch on a hill. The bike passed the test with excellent marks! BTW they are having some specials on these bikes right now. I wish I could add some pics from my test ride to the. This is the bike I rode.

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court
6 months ago

Cool! Thanks for the update Flavia! You should be able to upload photos to the EBR forums and could do so, along with your thoughts bout the bike and Brose vs. Bosch, in the Specialized section here. Here’s a quick guide on how to upload and attach photos or you can call me using the contact page here and I’ll try to help :D

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Flavia
6 months ago

Alas no button to upload picts in the comments. I wanted to post a pict of the bike I test rode.

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court
6 months ago

Hi Flavia! You can upload pictures in the forum and those comments are syndicated here, onto the main post. I use different software for that platform which allows for tighter security and better load times and here’s a little guide on how it works. I hope this helps! I’d love to see your pictures :)

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Luca Viviani
5 months ago

Buon giorno!La ht levo turbo fat specialized perché non viene distribuita in Italia?Europa?Solo Stati Uniti?Grazie a presto!

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court
5 months ago

Sono d’accordo! La bici è eccitante e ben progettata. Sfortunatamente, non so a quali mercati stiano vendendo o perché potrebbero non offrirlo a livello globale. Forse in futuro lo venderanno in più posti o potresti lavorare con un negozio negli Stati Uniti per averne uno esportato. Prova a contattare Motostrano a Redwood City, in California. Credo che abbiano fatto ordini internazionali prima.

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bob armani
4 hours ago

Pricey but well worth the $$$ for Trek products in general. I also test rode this at a few different locations and this bike is paired very well with all of the right components. I test rode the SC+7 back to back and found a big difference in ride quality overall. The stability and handling of this bike is spot on. The only change I would make would be to add a suspension fork or stem like the Shockstop or Softride.
Trek is really starting to shine through the competition with their new line of electrics IMHO. Hope you enjoy your new ride.:D

chriskmee
1 day ago

I just picked up my supercommuter 8 in the XL frame. I used to work about a 5 minute bike ride from home, but now I work about 10 miles from home. I may be 28 years old, but I'm not a fit person, so a 20 mile round trip, up and down hills, on a regular bike, wasn't really an option. It would also take longer than I really want.

As expected, the options for someone as tall as me (6'6") are pretty limited. After some research I narrowed down my choices to the Specialized Como 3 and the supercommuter 8. Between the issues I've seen with specialized Ebikes, the custom battery that I need to trust them to support when it needs replacing, and a few other things, I decided I would feel much better with a Trek/Bosch setup.

I just did about 22 miles on it today, figuring out the route to work and stopping by the bike shop to pick up the keys. When I picked up the bike yesterday I noticed the keys were missing since I was planning to take the battery out before loading it in the car. Turns out the tech that put the bike together left the keys in his pocket by accident and was already gone for the day. Luckily the bike shop was close to work, so I stopped by during my test commute to work. They gave me a gift card as an apology, which I used to buy the rear view mirror.

I have to say, I feel much safer riding on the roads now that I can get up to 25-28 mph with relative ease, cars seem much less annoyed by me now. I also love the super bright headlight for night driving, I am pretty sure it's brighter than most car headlights. This is such a fun bike, and while it does come with a hefty price tag, I look forward to the health and financial benefits, as well as the peace of mind that Trek will stand by their products.

markybolton
3 days ago
Windward
3 days ago

Thanks very much, I called the dealer and they will see if they can change the bike for the dirt e model that doesn't have full suspension but has a 500 battery as Virgil recommended, probably the answer will come with a cost, but it is my fault.
As I mentioned there wasn't much information about range on riding on mountains, now I know and hopefully my experience will help future buyers.
I can attest that the power is there. Before I bought this Giant I tested two ebikes; Specialized and Giant on different roads that I would have not been able to go up all the way riding. For me that was the reason I was buying an ebike, if the ebike could help take my 205 Lbs (at times 215 Lbs) where I couldn't before, that was the big difference for me. I did not think range was going to be an issue as every manufacturer claim 40 or more miles, some up to 80 miles.

If it helps others I can attest that a bike with a 36v, 400w 11.3 AH battery was able to help me go from Linville NC to Blowing Rock NC via Globe NC (back dirt roads no direct paved roads) ( check google). The first 5.9 miles all going up I was able to do it with eco or no assist and had 89% battery (see picture) at the top then all the way down for about 12 miles assist off to Globe NC and then all the way up to Blowing Rock for 8 miles with a gain of 2000 feet engaging gears and mostly at the highest setting and mid level when possible, but the whole time with assist on until the battery was drained when I arrived. After about sections the assist has to be off. So with planing and control of usage I was able to do 20-22 mile trips around here. Any longer range claim in this environment is fantasy.

I would love to hear some experiences with the range on Mountains on those bikes that re-charge while going downhill. I was not able to find any experiences, only what the manufacturer claims that the battery can re charge 15% more. But I already learned not believe in manufactures claims.

Windward
3 days ago

Thanks, it seem a nice bike, I did check the Trek it when I was looking, but as compulsive I am to try something I bought the giant because the local dealer carry that brand and the bike was there. I also tried the specialized that is carried by another dealer. The short 30 minute rides I did in both impresssed me as it was the first time I use an ebike in the mountains. Both could climb walls. The problem I did not ride it long enough to realize the range issue and I was much less informed about ranges that I am now. I did not think that was an issue for any ebike and my 30 mile need. I think there is a bit of confusion out there about range and because all claim more than they actually do is hard to make an informed decision. None of the forums I researched mentioned a range issue like mine. Most mention ranges that of 40 or more miles. The Giant full e I have shows 77 miles in eco, 61 miles in normal and 45 miles in sport when fully charged. I guess those are in a flat paved road with a 150 lbs experienced rider in very good shape.

Pluto
4 days ago

To answer Bruce's question, please see the chart kindly provided by Specialized's ebike centre in Switzlerland. They also told me that the lights, display, controls draw about 30 W, and that the motor itself runs at about 75-80% efficiency. The lower overall efficiency that I estimated is due to the gear/drive unit.

Pluto
4 days ago

Here is some data for Specialized Como, direct from their ebike centre in Switzerland.

Vado50
5 days ago

So my Vado 5 motor died a couple blocks from home on my 15 mile commute 10 days ago. Assist vanished and the motor could be heard spinning, whining, and sometimes clicking when you went to pedal in a power mode. You could just stand next to the bike, push down on the pedal and it would spin internally and the bike would go nowhere. Possible broken gears and/or belt perhaps.

Took it to the shop and went straight past mechanic triage after he heard it. Specialized sent out a new motor and the service and replacement was no charge. Wondering if 2 year warranty is added to the new motor or if I’m Left with 1.4 years on the motor.

They also updated the firmware and my mileage was reset (have a separate cyclocomputer anyway) but the new interface had options to connect to iphone. I fired up the mission control app and logged in (worked finally) but it could not find my bike. Went to Bluetooth menu on phone and was able to connect to bike but then it said it needed another app from App Store but it redirected me to a blank page on the App Store. Went back to mission control app but still could find bike. Oh well, getting closer but at least it has a resettable trip meter apparently functioning clock that doesn’t reset all the time and a couple other improvements.

Other background on my Vado experience: Bike is 7 months old and has 2,400 miles on it. All street commuting with only 2 days in rain. No real issues apart from a frozen screen on power up that was only remedies by battery removal. Couple other times where the screen looked fine but no assist. Power cycle and/or battery removal resolves this as well. I’m amazed at the rate of chain stretch but I’ve been lubing the chain every 100 miles (every 3+ days basically). Other bummer was discovering chain length is about 120 links when most chains come 114 links. Overall I’m fairly happy with it. Seems like there aren’t (m)any other class 3 bikes that can support front racks which I prefer for commuting.

JoePah
6 days ago

That is some commute dude!

I would make sure that your bike route would be legal for an Ebike, and specifically what class eBike

You can average 19-20 mph if there isn't any traffic and don't have stop lights.

And I don't know if you want a new bike or not, but have you considered an ebike kit? You could get away with a very light rear geared hub motor, and put a large battery on it... All for less than $1500 + your bike

If you do want a off the shelf electric bike, the STromer is a perfect commuter bike... Comfortable, Reliable fast and overall excellent quality. It is heavy and rear hub motor. You can buy leftover models cheap.

Volts
6 days ago

Hi Everyone, I'm just posting another picture of my Como 3 with Brooks B67 saddle, Kinekt 2.1 suspension seatpost, Specialized Roll rack, Timber bell.

JayOhEn
6 days ago

Who's to say that's the way the bike should have been designed in the 1st place? Your preference for a big-round headlight may not be anyone else's. There's no way JB could have designed the bike so that everyone is 100% happy with all the components and that no one would ever want any changes. Lots of people will be perfectly happy with the stock set up. Ok, so you prefer a big, round headlight - that's your choice. No one's forcing you to change the stock light. Most Super 73's don't even come with a headlight:

At least JB includes a (really bright) light. And the benefit of using interchangeable/standard parts (instead of proprietary) is that it gives the consumer the option of making (or not making) any adjusts that they choose to.

Personally, I wish the Hyper version wasn't just brushed aluminum. But that doesn't mean that JB was wrong to make that design choice.

I agree with the need for more polish and quality control. That's what separates the established, mainstream bike manufacturers from the start-ups. But then again, if Haibike, Trek or Specialized were to come out with any of the JB models, they would be 2-3 times the price.

ebubar
6 days ago

Have only seen shades of what I'm wondering covered in here. I currently commute 30-36 miles roundtrip on my adventure bike (Jamis Renegade). I have been doing this 5 days a week for the past 3 years. With starts and stops and a couple decent hills it takes me between an hour 15 and an hour 45 minutes each way. Thus i'm used to 3+ hours in the saddle every day and haven't tired of it for many years. According to Strava, I don't kill myself on my rides and put out around an average of 120 - 130 watts on most rides. Due to her job and the expenses of housing in the area (DC Metro area) I may end up with a 54 mile roundtrip commute. This is a bit far to do daily on my adventure bike. I'm considering the plausibility of getting an ebike to ride the full distance at least a few days a week. I can park the bike in my office and charge in the mornings. I'd hope to average around 20 mph over the 26-27 miles each way so that I'm spending roughly the same time on the bike as I currently am. Rough back of the envelope calculations make me think I can get it done with a Class 3 bike to use a low pedal assist setting to give me some increased acceleration from stops and maintain higher speed on flats and a higher setting to get me up hills faster. I'd endeavor to not run the battery to empty each way, and instead charge at work and in the evenings. Figuring roughly 2 years of good battery performance from daily-ish commuting during the academic year (physics prof so not a strict schedule in the summers).

Looking at 250 Watt, middrive and 500-ish Wh.

1) Am I crazy? Most topics like this that I've seen have assumed the time in the saddle would be impossible. I'm already putting in that time so I know its not too much saddle time, though i'm not used to that time at such speeds.

2) I've got my eye on the Raleigh Redux iE Step Over (from a local shop that specializes in ebikes). Tried that one, a Specialized Vado (nice, but the cruiser-ish positioning doesn't seem good for the distance i'm planning) and another that I don't recall (it was a weaker midrive model with a lower torque motor). Those were the only models in my $3k-ish price range that the shop recommended. They have some that were $5k+ (nope) and some Gazelle bikes (which were limited to Class 2 - so they didn't recommend those).

3) I haven't cared for suspension forks, but are they really nice to have at sustained higher ebike speeds?

Just seeking thoughts from the wider ebike community to confirm my research thus far is sound.

FYI - 5'8", 160 lbs. Thanks in advance for any tips!

smitty
10 months ago

I just bought that very bike last weekend. I also own a Stromer ST-2. I have only ridden it 10-12 miles or so at this point, but pretty impressed with the bike. I like the fat tires and front shock and my thinking is that when the weather is a bit messy, I can jump on the Turbo Levo and not have to worry about the weather as they are built to take mud, water, and the like. It does not have the finesse of the Stromer, nor does it have the price. Clearly it is meant for off road riding, but I am riding it in the city and I am told that it will ride very well in snow and sand. My LBS was very accommodating in terms of the purchase at a fairly decent price reduction which they extended to accessories. I plan to use it for short trips on the road in inclement weather; probably will not see a lot of off road use, but then again, I now have the option to do so which was not a good one for my Stromer. A huge plus for around own riding is the dropper post. When stopping at a light, one can simply hit the switch and the seat will drop to a point where it is far easier to reach the ground (or somewhere in between). Hit the switch again when moving and you are back to "regular" seat height...vey cool...Garmin has an ANT compatible handlebar mount and switch for controlling changes in the power levels of assist. Gotta have that one...at some near point.

James Alderson
10 months ago

Hey everyone,

Trying to find some information on the Turbo Levo Comp Fat with HT. Not a lot on this and all the reviews are on the Comp and Expert FSR. I rode the Expert and really liked it, but can't afford it. There seems to be a window about to open up on all of the 2017 stock that I want to take advantage of and am really interested in the big fat tire bikes. I am a big dude and will be doing a lot of short rides and some trail runs. I have another bike to do the longer rides on and just looking for something to do a 10-mile ride with some trail stops at most.

Looking to see if anyone has owned the 4.6 inch wide tire fat levo. If you did, what did you think of it. Is it fairly usable on the road?

Thanks

James Kohls
1 year ago

Thankfully, I have a really great Specialized dealer a block and a half from my house. They contacted their Specialized rep and got me a Levo HT to borrow for a few days while I make my final decisions about buying the Turbo Levo Comp Fat.

I took it out for an hour tonight on some local trails. On my travels I met a professional mountain bike racer who asked if I wanted to join him. I told him, I'm just borrowing the bike and don't really have a feel for it yet, but he insisted. The Levo let this 44 year old man of average fitness to keep up with him on the straights and climbs with ease. But he obliterated me on the downhill bombs.

The bike felt amazing on the trails. Very comfortable ride, even as a hard tail. Those 3" tires really soak up a lot of evil when the surface gets rough and grip well when it is loose. Since it isn't mine, I wasn't able to adjust the suspension fork, so it was a bit stiff for my taste. Regardless, it was a blast. Got a novice trail ride in with a pro for over an hour and hardly broke a sweat.

My only gripe is the 20MPH top speed. Had to adjust my ride style a bit compared to my 2015 Turbo-X. Having that speed overhead up to 26 really make a difference on the road. It is definitely geared for off road use. One could certainly up the chainring size a bit, but it is pretty easy to max out on speed as it is. It took a few miles, but I finally found a comfortable cadence that let me sit just under the motor cutoff point.

Still get a few more days to play around with it, but one ride solidified my decision that I will be getting a Levo for my next bike. There are so many great trails in my area that are inaccessible to my Turbo-X. It will open up a whole new world of ride possibilities.

Riogrand
1 year ago

I know this is over your current budget but if you are going to spend a significant amount of time on the trails, the Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Fat is pretty nice. You'd have to figure out racks and fenders for the street though, this is pretty hard to beat on the trail.

Briggsy
4 months ago

Love my Levo! Check out some of my ride videos from Down Under

John Durkin
4 months ago

I own the Turbo Levo FSR Comp 6Fattie/29 which is a fantastic ebike! The fattie tires are so much better on trails than the fat tires and much lighter weight. I can ride a lot longer vs my Yeti 5.0, but it is heavier, which changes the experience a bit. The motor is incredibly quiet and powerful enough to get up the mountain trails near my home. Also, has a power selection button on the handlebars, so no need to bend down as seems to be the case with this bike. There is no handlebar display which does not bother me. Overall, a fantastic bike and great experience. Biggest problem is allocating ride time between Yeti and Turbo Levo.

John Lambert
5 months ago

I've owned a 2017 Specialized Turbo Levo (Expert) now for 9 months and I do love it, however I've had these issues: 1) Bottom bracket is too low, hitting too many logs/rocks. 2) Plastic motor casings tend to break when you hit a log/rock. 3) So far I've broken 4 rear wheel spokes from sticks (yes bad luck there) as well as destroyed a derailleur. 4) Motor has started playing up, possibly due to overheating from riding above 25km/hr with the wheel hack. Specialized has voided warranty due to this hack, so need to purchase a new motor for $1400AUD. I have increased the front forks (Pike) to 160mm travel which has helped a lot, especially with the bottom bracket height issue. Otherwise it's a fantastic bike!! Coming from a 2014 Carbon Stumpjumper it feels very much the same bike geometry wise.

Soleil Rouge 69
6 months ago

Quand est ce que tu parles Français ????

Erik Witkowski
6 months ago

I own this bike. I love it in snow. Can buy a remote to change assist level without bending over.

sbcfilm
6 months ago

$5000 says it all...byeeee..

Tamas Varga
6 months ago

$5K is very steep price for this bike with these specs... But the review was great regardless.

Vaidotas Ratkus
6 months ago

5k for ALIUMINIUM hardtail? Hows the sales mate?

Larry Conger
6 months ago

Go with Haibike plus very highly upgradable components can be upgraded if you want to change up your ride!

Ted Kidd
6 months ago

2018???

Dennis Gilmore
6 months ago

Cort, one of your best reviews! The last two weeks I have had the pleasure to have a fat tire E-MTB, at my disposal. The Cannondale Moterra has the full suspension and fat tires. I am really curious to sample the brosa power vs Bosch. I'm still undecided on the fat tires on the road. Ok the other hand you are getting superior grip on the trail. The fat tire MTB setup has commuter potential.

TwoWheelWarrior
6 months ago

Nice review of a serious off-road machine in a parking lot...

ForbinColossus
6 months ago

Specialized can do better! And I so looked forward to Specialized advancing e-bike design- but they FAIL
*$900. batt pack deserves a LOCK
*Seat stays need braze-ons; it's a hardtail - why not? Reference the Felt Outfitter of 2015: https://electricbikereview.com/felt/outfitter/
*No display means they save money but don't pass on the savings. Felt and Haibike offer Bosch and a display for the same coin.

James Selene
6 months ago

These bikes (fat tire Levo) have been discontinued by Specialized. They won't be making any more. Keep eyes out for discounts next season.

Mr. JC
6 months ago

Nice looking bike 👍

Javier Peletier Maura
6 months ago

Magnificent technical presentation as always you do, and I especially like the interview with the lady (minute 31:10...), and see the positive aspects of the bike and particularly, the ebikes, for young people in schools and the good values ​​it brings. The ebikes allow people with less physical qualities to share moments with others.

Larry Conger
6 months ago

ElectricBikeReview.com you do a great Job Court, keep it up, the most truthful reviews out on the internet by far!

ElectricBikeReview.com
6 months ago

Thanks for the positive feedback Javier! I'm glad you enjoyed the little extra footage here, it's fun to share and see what's going on with different companies and schools, young people etc. :D

Cliff Louie
6 months ago

Specialized is a premium brand priced accordingly. There are other fat tire ebikes on the market with more utility such as having rear rack bosses for half the price.

ElectricBikeReview.com
6 months ago

Yeah, you get it :D

Doenjang Stew
6 months ago

Anyway, It has surprisingly evolved. but It has not arrived yet.

Doenjang Stew
6 months ago

ElectricBikeReview.com Thank you for your reply. I mean I think we are living in the begining of ebike era. and I am sorry I am not a bike expert. but I think all road small transport vehicles like car, motorcycle, bicycle etc... all will be changed by electric power source soon. I dare think we are just "leaving" and maybe 20 or 30 year later, we will be "arrived" that electric era.

ElectricBikeReview.com
6 months ago

I'm excited to see what they offer for 2018 and how prices might change, what is your definition of "arrived" like what would make ebikes fully complete to you?

Robert Pirlot
6 months ago

I'm calling this bike overpriced. Go find a different e-bike.

ElectricBikeReview.com
6 months ago

Hey Robert, most of the Specialized products (electric or not) are priced higher because of their dealer network, refined frame designs, and branding. For some people, it's worth it... they have the custom battery design and app here, that costs money to make

Tommi Honkonen
6 months ago

i have fatbike for year now. comes in handy in finnish winter when 1 meter snow and -30c. i use all year around.

Larry Conger
6 months ago

Tommi Honkonen Bulls Monster E FS is the best

Tommi Honkonen
6 months ago

Mars Jmc bulls monster

Mars Jmc
6 months ago

what bike do you have?

ElectricBikeReview.com
6 months ago

Awesome! I have been visiting Colorado and there is snow on the ground, wish I had a fat bike to ride with :D

MTB Dream'in
6 months ago

Great review as usual Court! I have been following your ebike reviews since summer after getting into mountain biking a year ago. Because of your reviews in November I ordered a 2018 Turbo Levo Carbon Comp. I live in Florida so it is harder to find a dealer, and if you do it is lucky if there is one model to test drive. I tried Trek and Specialized, but then fell in love with Specialized. Thank you for all the work you put into making quality reviews.

Larry Conger
6 months ago

MTB Dream'in Haibikes all the way

MTB Dream'in
6 months ago

ElectricBikeReview.com I will follow up once it is delivered. ETA was suppose to be Dec, but now they say Jan 2018. :(. I am anxious. :-)

ElectricBikeReview.com
6 months ago

Sweet! I'm glad you were able to try a couple of different products. Specialized has always made beautiful stuff and I'm a fan. I'd love to hear how the Carbon is holding up for you? Thanks for chiming in