2017 Gazelle Arroyo C8 HMB Review

Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Electric Bike Review
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Bosch Performance Line Cruise Centerdrive Motor
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Post Moderne Suspension Seat Post Selle Royal Herz Saddle
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Tool Free Adjustable Stem Soft Rubber Grips Bosch Intuvia Display
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Fendervision Led Front Light Busch And Muller
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Paint Matched Spring Suspension Fork 50 Mm Travel
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Shimano Nexus Inter8 Igh
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Rack Mounted Bosch Powerpack 500 Ebike Battery
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Bosch 4 Amp Electric Bike Battery Charger
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Electric Bike Review
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Bosch Performance Line Cruise Centerdrive Motor
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Post Moderne Suspension Seat Post Selle Royal Herz Saddle
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Tool Free Adjustable Stem Soft Rubber Grips Bosch Intuvia Display
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Fendervision Led Front Light Busch And Muller
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Paint Matched Spring Suspension Fork 50 Mm Travel
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Shimano Nexus Inter8 Igh
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Rack Mounted Bosch Powerpack 500 Ebike Battery
Gazelle Arroyo C8 Hmb Bosch 4 Amp Electric Bike Battery Charger


  • A highly adjustable, feature-complete, city style electric bike with long fenders that have an integrated headlight and enclosed chain cover keep you clean and dry, integrated keyed-alike cafe lock adds convenience
  • Available in three frame sizes with the small and medium being wave and the large being diamond style, very comfortable to ride thanks to adjustable suspension fork and seat post, soft ergo-grips, swept bar, adjustable stem
  • Priced $200 cheaper than prior-year model but you get a more powerful Bosch Performance Line motor and 25% higher-capacity Bosch Powerpack 500 battery pack (the interface for this pack is backward compatible)
  • The rear-rack battery frees up space for the deep step-thru design on the small and medium sizes but isn't as necessary on the high-step frame, it creates more frame flex, impacts balance, and raises cargo... neither frame has bottle cage bosses despite plenty of room on the seat tube and downtube

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2017 Arroyo C8 HMB


$3,499 USD

Body Position:

Upright Relaxed

Suggested Use:

Neighborhood, Cruising, Urban, Commuting, Touring

Electric Bike Class:

Pedal Assist (Class 1)
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2 Year Motor and Battery, 5 Year Frame


United States, Europe

Model Year:


Bicycle Details

Total Weight:

58.7 lbs (26.62 kg)

Battery Weight:

6.1 lbs (2.76 kg)

Motor Weight:

8.8 lbs (3.99 kg)

Frame Material:


Frame Sizes:

18.11 in (45.99 cm)19.29 in (48.99 cm)20.87 in (53 cm)

Geometry Measurements:

Step-Thru 46 cm Stats: 18.25" Seat Tube, 20.75" Reach, 16.5" Stand Over Height, 24" Width, 71.5" Length

Frame Types:

Step-Thru, High-Step

Frame Colors:

Black, Brilliant Blue

Frame Fork Details:

Gazelle Branded Spring Suspension, 50 mm Travel, Adjustable Tension, 100 mm Hub, 9 mm Skewer with Quick Release

Frame Rear Details:

135 mm Hub, 10 mm Axle with Nuts

Attachment Points:

Rear Rack Bosses, Fender Bosses

Gearing Details:

8 Speed 1x8 Shimano Nexus Inter8, Internally Geared Hub

Shifter Details:

Shimano Nexus Grip Shifter on Right


Miranda, Alloy, 170 mm Length, 16 Tooth Chainring


Gazelle Branded, Alloy Plastic Platform with Rubber Tread


Quill, Threaded 1", 68.5° Head Tube Angle


Tool-Free Adjustable Angle, 110 mm Length


Gazelle Aerowing II Vario Comfort, Alloy, Swept Back, 600 mm Length

Brake Details:

Magura HS22 Hydraulic Rim Brakes, Four Finger Levers with Tool-Free Adjustable Reach


Rubber, Ergonomic, Black


Selle Royal Herz

Seat Post:

Post Moderne, Suspension with Preload Adjust

Seat Post Length:

290 mm

Seat Post Diameter:

27.2 mm


Gazelle VR19 (622x19c), Aluminum Alloy, Double Wall, Reinforcement Eyelets, 32 Hole


Stainless Steel, 14G Front 13G Rear, Black with Adjustable Nipples

Tire Brand:

Schwalbe Energizer Plus, 28" x 1.4" (700 x 35c)

Wheel Sizes:

28 in (71.12cm)

Tire Details:

Performance Line GreenGuard, 55 to 85 PSI, Reflective Stripe

Tube Details:

Presta Valve


Fully Enclosed Plastic Chain Cover, Plastic Fenders with Mud Flaps, Adjustable Rear-Mount Kickstand, Integrated Gazelle FenderVision LED Front Light by Busch and Müller IQ-TEC, Integrated Spanninga Brasa LED Back Light, Alloy Rack with Triple Bungee Strap, AXA Defender Cafe Lock (Same Key as Battery), Gazelle Branded Twist Bell on Left


Locking Removable Rack Mounted Batter Pack, 1.7 lb 4 Amp Battery Charger

Electronic Details

Motor Brand:

Bosch Performance Line Cruise

Motor Type:

Mid-Mounted Geared Motor
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Motor Nominal Output:

250 watts

Motor Torque:

63 Newton meters

Battery Voltage:

36 volts

Battery Amp Hours:

13.4 ah

Battery Watt Hours:

482.4 wh

Battery Chemistry:


Charge Time:

4 hours

Estimated Min Range:

25 miles (40 km)

Estimated Max Range:

115 miles (185 km)

Display Type:

Bosch Intuvia, Removable, Adjustable Angle, Grayscale, Backlit LCD, (Hold Reset and i for Settings Menu)


Speed, Assist Level (Eco, Tour, Sport, Turbo), Battery Level (5 Bars), Odometer, Trip Distance, Estimated Range, Clock, Max Speed, Average Speed, Trip Time, Shift Recommendation

Display Accessories:

Independent Button Pad with Tactile Feedback on Left, 5 Volt 500 mA Micro USB Port on Display

Drive Mode:

Advanced Pedal Assist (Measures Wheel Speed, Pedal Cadence and Pedal Torque, Power Output Relative to Pedal Input: Eco 50% 40 Nm, Tour 120% 50 Nm, Sport 190% 55 Nm, Turbo 275% 63 Nm)

Top Speed:

20 mph (32 kph)

Written Review

For this review, I met with Brett Thurber from the New Wheel in Marin California. We took two of his shop’s Gazelle electric bikes down on the bike path, near Corte Madera Creek, and discussed all of the intricate details. The Arroyo C8 HMB is one of the more expensive, feature-rich, comfortable city style e-bikes I have tested… and Gazelle is renowned for their attention to detail and quality construction. They’re a Dutch company with over 100 years (since 1902) of outstanding business service and have been recognized with the Royal Dutch designation. It’s not the most affordable bike in this category but to be fair, the price actually dropped $200 from an earlier 2016 version I reviewed which was called the Arroyo C8 HM. With the HMB you get a more powerful Bosch Performance Line motor and 25% larger battery pack! That’s pretty awesome if you ask me, you definitely get what you pay for with Gazelle and Bosch (which produces the motor, battery, and premium display panel for this electric bicycle). The display is cool because it offers a Micro-USB charging for portable electronic devices, can swivel to reduce glare when riding, and is removable for protection when parking. The backlit display LCD is extra-large so people with limited vision can view it without straining and it’s right there at the center of the handlebar. Interacting with the bike is also comfortable and easy thanks to a remote button pad, mounted within reach of the left grip. I was also delighted with the grip shifter for changing gears on the right and a unique twist bell on the left. There’s a sense of balance and symmetry with this electric bike. And, even though the rear rack-mounted battery is not as low or balanced as a centrally located downtube pack, the motor weight, heavier handle bar, and suspension fork up front make it pretty balanced front to rear… and of course, the rack battery frees up the center of the frame for that nice step-thru approach. This balance compromise is less relevant to the diamond high-step frame which still uses a rear rack battery but doesn’t take advantage of the downtube or seat tube for storage options, it doesn’t appear to have any bottle cage bosses on these tubes, which is a shame. Neither bike has bottle cage bosses, and I personally find them useful for keeping fluids within reach or bringing along a mini-pump or folding lock without the need for a bag. It’s easy to not mount an accessory here if you prefer, the frame would still look clean and probably be almost as strong, so I’m not sure why they skipped on this? Frame strength and stiffness has been improved over the 2016 model and the tube shape and welds are near perfect, just so clean and smooth. The wheelset is double-wall and has reinforcement eyelets and thicker spokes for strength and durability. The tires are upgraded Schwalbe Energizer Plus model with reflective sidewalls tripes and puncture protection. Changing a flat tire on a heavier electric bike with internally geared hub and horizontal dropout, as used here, isn’t much fun… so the tires are an important touch. Regardless of weather, your pants or skirt should stay clean and snag free (a heavy storm might get you wet from above, but water shouldn’t splash up because of the extra-long fenders and full-surround chain cover). Little details like the adjustable length kickstand that does not require a screwdriver to slide up and down, or the adjustable height and angle stem that is also tool free… and the tool-free adjustable brake levers all make this thing enjoyable to ride. If you want to sit upright and relax for the first part of a ride but then get more aggressive and aerodynamic towards the end, you can, and it’s fast and easy to do.

Driving the Gazelle Arroyo C8 HMB is a Bosch Performance Line Cruise mid-motor. This internally geared centerdrive is unique in that it measures rear wheel speed, pedal cadence, and pedal torque, 1,000 times per second. It starts up almost as soon as you apply pressure and cuts out just as fast. It’s a motor that has been used on trail and mountain bikes in the past because of how responsive and reliable it is, which is important on unsteady terrain. In a potentially wet urban environment, where cars are present, that may be just as important. But, there’s another benefit specific to this bike’s drivetrain worth mentioning. The Bosch mid-drive motors offer shift detection which allows for smoother transition between different gears, and in 2017 they released a software update (that shops would install) to work even better with internally geared hubs like the Shimano Nexus Inter8 used here. The combination of shift-detection and thoughtful pedaling (where you ease off a bit when shifting between gears) allows for the super-responsive motor to smooth out shifting. The Inter8 is a big upgrade from the Inter7 because it uses a roller clutch vs. pawls. It doesn’t produce the buzzing clicking noise when coasting the way that most bikes do. And, because there is only one chainring and one rear sprocket, the chain is less likely to fall off or make a lot of noise. The two potentially noisy parts of this ebike are the long plastic fenders (which are securely attached) and the motor itself. Most geared motors produce some rubbing sounds and there’s a distinct electronic whir as you arrow up into the higher power levels of assist and pedal faster. The motor can assist at up to 120 RPM while other systems cutout at ~100 RPM and spins the uniquely-small 15 tooth chainring at 2.5 rotations for every crank turn. I was told that this deign allows for better chain grab and may also start and stop quicker. In any case, the motor works well and shifting is intuitive, even at standstill, using the half-grip twister on the right. Just remember to ease off the pedals a bit when shifting so the gear can transition… there’s a self-protection mechanism that will create a buzzy/clicking sound if you try to shift while climbing or powering fast and it will wait to change until you let off a bit.

Powering the Arroyo C8 HMB is a rear-rack mounted Powerpack 500 from Bosch. It contains high-density Lithium-ion cells and weighs just ~5.7 lbs. That’s less than half a heavier than the older Powerpack 400 but you get a 25% capacity increase for longer rides. Depending on the assist level you choose, this electric bike should go at least 30 and up to 100+ miles per charge. Because the motor is pulling the same chain that you pedal with, it’s up to you to shift gears thoughtfully and empower it to improve leverage. Bosch has a new shift recommendation graphic that appears as an up and down arrow on the display panel when it senses that you could empower the motor, look for it at the top left portion of the display screen if you are pedaling too slow or too fast. Again, it’s just a recommendation and I love that Bosch supports you up to 120 RPM because I like to spin fast and some other systems made me feel like I had to shift even though I wouldn’t have chosen to do so on my own. They wouldn’t let me reach the max assisted speed (20 mph in this case) without shifting. So, the battery pack can be charged on or off the bike frame and it uses the same plug style which is nice, there’s no adapter dongle to keep track of. The four Amp charger is two times faster than most generic chargers I see and is compact and relatively lightweight at under two pounds. When you unlock the battery and slide it out of the rack, there’s a handle at the end to make carrying it safe and comfortable. The rack is designed in such a way that it completely surrounds and protects the battery, and has plenty of extra room on the top and sides for trunk bags and panniers. I love that both lights on this bike are integrated, powered by the battery pack, and positioned out of the way. The rear light, in particular, is less likely to be blocked by bags or even a long coat the way that seat post mounted lights are. The headlight is very cool looking, has an aim feature that allows it to point up or down (to avoid blinding oncoming traffic and riders) but might bounce around a bit because it’s built into the fender, which is attached to the moving part of the suspension fork vs. the suspended portions of the bike (head tube, handlebar). This is one area that I was not able to test during my ride but that crossed my mind as I have seen it happen on other bikes in the past.

Using the bike is straightforward, I already talked about how adjustable the handlebar is, but the suspension fork has two spring adjustments (which both need to be turned the same amount for balance), and the suspension seat post has a rebound adjustment (higher rebound would support heavier riders before the slide kicks in). I wouldn’t mind seeing a lockout on the suspension fork to reduce dive when stopping, but I would probably rarely use this feature myself because I don’t weigh a lot and am okay with some efficiency and control compromise for comfort. It’s especially cool to have a cafe rear-wheel lock included, and that it uses the same key as the battery pack! In this way, you don’t have the added weight and inconvenience of multiple keys floating around. Moving up to the display panel, you press a single power button to activate the bike once the battery is charged and mounted. It switches on quickly and is constantly backlit with a faint blue glow. The LCD system and remote button pad are called the Bosch Intuvia and they are my personal favorite at this time. You get a large easy-to-read display panel that’s removable for safe keeping, and the utility of a Micro-USB port for charging portable electronics. In some ways, this display offers a lot of information and is deep, but the extra reset and lights buttons make it easy to use. The main buttons are power, i (which is like an information, screen selection button) and the plus and minus keys. Click plus to increase power from zero to Eco, Standard, Sport, and Turbo. Each click produces a sound and a feeling so you can make adjustments confidently without looking down. The remote button pad delivers a smart tactile interface with the + and – buttons at the top and bottom and a rubberized convex circular bump for the i in between. The i allows you to switch from odometer, to trip distance, max speed, clock, range and other readouts. Range is especially cool because it dynamically shows how far the battery can take you in the currently selected level of assist based on the last mile of use. This is way more useful than the five bar battery infographic shown at all times near the top of the LCD.

This review video was a bit longer and very deep because Brett is well informed about things like hydraulic rim brakes (which are reliable, powerful, and adjustable), as well as the history of Gazelle. We were riding near Mount Tam in Marin, California which is one of the birthplaces of mountain biking… and the terrain is hilly in many places. He explained that the 2016 Arroyo C8 HM was their most popular step-thru model because of how reliable, comfortable, and powerful it was. To see that model further improved and drop in price is fantastic. It’s a bit heavier than some competing models, in part because of the internally geared hub and larger battery, but the ride experience is nimble and stable. This is an electric bike that is easy to appreciate and that even the Dutch Royal Family seems to be comfortable recommending or at least recognizing. Big thanks to Gazelle for partnering with me on this post and the New Wheel for hosting me and filling in some of the missing details during our talk on camera.


  • I reviewed the wave step-thru frame style and found it incredibly easy to mount and stand over when stopped, you can get the Arroyo C8 in three frame sizes and the first two smaller sizes only come in wave while the large comes in a more traditional diamond high-step
  • Plenty of attention was paid to comfort with this bike, in addition to a traditional suspension fork with spring adjust, you also get a mid-level suspension seat post from Post Moderne, a Selle Royal gel saddle, thick semi-ergonomic rubberized grips, a swept-back handlebar (that’s narrow enough to get through doors easily), and tool-free adjustable quill stem (that goes up and down as well as angles forward and back) so you can optimize body position
  • Hydraulic rim brakes seem to be more common on some European brand e-bikes like this, compared to disc brakes they seem to be just as powerful, the pads last longer, they don’t go out of adjustment, and the levers (on this particular setup) offer tool-free adjustable-reach for riders with smaller hands… they also keep the dropout area less cluttered and are more adjustable horizontally than if there’s a caliper mount for a disc brake, they may have been chosen because of the internally geared hub drivetrain and horizontal dropout for this particular bike
  • The rear rack is very sturdy and packed with features, note how far back it is positioned so the saddle can be dropped into the lowest position, this rack surrounds the battery pack, has standard gauge pannier hangers and blocker bars, and comes with a triple-bungee for simple tie-down
  • Premium integrated lights make safety convenient, you don’t have to worry about forgetting to turn them on or off and they won’t get stolen as easily when parked in public places because they are bolted on, the tires are also reflective so you will be noticed more easily from the side
  • Changing flat tires is never fun but the effort and inconvenience is elevated on an ebike like this due to increased weight and a bolted-on rear wheel with the internally geared hub (the front wheel does have traditional quick release), so I’m glad to see the upgraded Schwalbe Energizer Plus tires with puncture protection
  • A Shimano Inter8 internally geared hub makes shifting gears at standstill possible and reduces the possibility of chain slap and drops (because the chain is tighter, only one chainring in the front and one sprocket in the rear), I have found that they tend to require less maintenance and are less vulnerable if the bike tips over because there is no derailleur
  • This newer Arroyo C8 model is $200 cheaper than the 2016 model and has a more powerful Bosch Performance Line Cruise motor vs. the Bosch Active Line, it should climb a bit better thanks to 63 Nm peak torque vs. 48 Nm before, as well as a larger 500 watt hour battery vs. 400 watt hour
  • Over the years, I have become a big fan of Bosch electric bike systems because shops tell me that they rarely need service, the motors are responsive and smart (including shift detection to reduce drivetrain stress) and the batteries are backward compatible so you could use an older Powerpack 400 rack style pack with this bike
  • The 4 Amp battery charger is twice as fast as most standard chargers on other electric bicycles, weighing ~1.7 lbs it’s not super heavy or large and bulky, you can take the power cord out of one side to make it more compact
  • The frame has an AXA Defender cafe lock built on and it uses the same key as the battery pack! This is convenient for quick stops and reduces the expense and clutter of getting an aftermarket lock (but I’d still recommend using a u-lock to secure the frame to a bike rack for longer stops because someone could still lift and carry off your bike with just the cafe lock activated)
  • Perfect kickstand placement, and the stand is adjustable length without using a screwdriver so you can stand it properly on the fly, notice how it’s clear of the left crank arm and directly below the rack which might have heavy bags loaded
  • The rims have reinforcement eyelets to spread weight out and reduce the chance of cracking if the bike is really loaded up with gear or a heavier rider, the spokes are slightly thicker as well (13 gauge rear and 14 gauge front)
  • The front fender is extra long and low to really keep your feet and shins clean, it has a rubberized end piece so it can bend if you bump into a curb or kick it
  • The Shimano Nexus Inter8 internally geared hub uses a roller-clutch which is completely silent, so you get more gear options as well as a nicer experience vs. the cheaper Inter7 model
  • The Bosch centerdrive motor system has “shift detection” and has been updated to work better with internally geared hubs in 2017 so it’s a perfect match for the Inter8, Bosch also starts and stops quickly as you ease off pedal torque vs. carrying over and this makes it one of the best motors to use with an internally geared hub system
  • Brett explained that Gazelle has balanced the step-thru design with a bit of foot-forward positioning and an updated frame which is stiffer, the welds are incredibly smooth as well
  • I was told that the paint on Gazelle bikes is marine tested and uses ten layers so that it can withstand heavy use and years of riding
  • Royal Dutch Gazelle is recognized as a leading company with over 100 years of service and no ethical faults in Holland (the Netherlands) and they offer an excellent two-year warranty


  • The fender-integrated headlight looks nice but is not suspended, it’s may bounce and shake a bit more as you ride across bumpy terrain because the suspension fork sliders go up and down vs. a handlebar or steering tube mounted light which would be more steady, I do however, love that there’s an adjustment lever for the light to aim it up or down
  • Despite having ample space for a bottle cage mount on the seat tube of both bikes (and the downtube of the diamond high-step frame), there are none… which is too bad because reaching backward for water stowed in a trunk bag like this isn’t as convenient or safe as simply reaching down, also, I feel that the city style of this bike seems aimed at riders and situations that wouldn’t include a hydration pack, I imagine a nicely dressed rider with a pannier on the back
  • Minor consideration here, I feel like the diamond high-step frame could have used a downtube mounted Bosch Powerpack 500 vs. the rear-rack style, this would lower weight and improve balance, the rack could also support more weight and keep it lower to the ground because it wouldn’t have the bulk and weight of a pack to deal with
  • Weighing in at ~58.7 lbs, this is not what I would consider a lightweight e-bike, there are other models with rack, fender, and suspension options that also add weight but some of them are ~55 lbs, I think the frame was reinforced for stiffness and strength here which adds weight, and the larger bar, adjustable stem, and grips add weight also
  • The internally geared hub can sometimes click and not-shift when under load, I think it’s a safety mechanism designed to protect the gears inside but it can take some getting used to, it’s just not as fast and crisp as a traditional derailleur with sprockets
  • Compared with the prior-year-model Gazelle Arroyo C8 HM with the Bosch Active Line, this one uses the more powerful but also slightly louder Bosch Performance Line, it may also drain the battery faster if you use the higher levels of assist because it’s zippier… so noise and range are considerations here, but range is highly benefitted from the larger battery pack


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6 years ago

It appears from the 2018 bikes in stock at my local dealer, and from the publicity photos on the Gazelle website, that they have replaced the front dual suspension fork with a headset monoshock similar to that fitted on the Avenue model.

Court Rye
6 years ago

Hmm, great catch Dewey! Thanks for pointing this out, it would make sense from an “economies of scale” perspective since Gazelle probably gets deals if they buy in volume… did you know that they are part of the same company that owns Kalkhoff, Focus, and Faraday? It will be interesting to see if there is more grouping of components and stuff like this in the future. Are you thinking about getting this bike?

Ray Harris
6 years ago

Hi Court! Love your reviews! Between the 2018 Kalkhoff Agattu B8 and the 2018 Gazelle Arroyo C8 HMB, which do you believe is the better bike? Is the change of suspension from dual fork to headset monoshock an improvement? Thanks! Ray

6 years ago

Hi Ray! They appear to be very similar bikes. I’m not sure I have looked closely at the 2018 Kalkhoff Agattu B8 but my preference is for the dual stanchion suspension vs. monoshock. I appreciate the longer travel and increased cushion over weight savings. Both Gazelle and Kalkhoff are owned by the Pon group and offer the same great support and quality. Sorry I cannot elaborate more, perhaps you could ask in the EBR forums or visit a shop that carries both brands?

Ray Harris
6 years ago

Thanks Court! I am working with Boise Electric Bikes and they carry both brands. I am leaning toward the Gazelle! Thanks for your feedback!

Klaas Visser
5 years ago

In the article you wrote “even the Dutch Royal Family seems to be comfortable recommending or recognizing”. Although I have seen pictures of our Royal Family using Gazelle bikes. I’m pretty sure the will not recommend any brand… It had nothing to do with the bike. The royal family is not allowed to express an opinion about anything without approval of the prime minister. However… Gazelle is a “hofleverancier” that means that theY have delivered products to the royal family for some time. Therefore recognizing should be more appropriate.

I personally like my e-bike a lot, we have two e-bikes from different (Dutch) brandS, the only thing we don’t like is price: we have to pay more for the bike over here…

5 years ago

Hi Klaas, your input and correction is well received! I appreciate the clarification and am happy to hear that you’re enjoying your electric bicycles. It would be wonderful to visit the Netherlands someday and tour the Gazelle factory… maybe I could even meet some of your leaders, that would be a treat :D


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