Haibike XDURO Trekking Pro Review

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Haibike Xduro Trekking Pro Bosch Gen 2 Motor
Haibike Xduro Trekking Pro Front Fender Quick Release Wheel
Haibike Xduro Trekking Pro Lithium Ion Battery Pack
Haibike Xduro Trekking Pro Rear Rack Spring Latch
Haibike Xduro Trekking Pro Remote Suspension Lockout
Haibike Xduro Trekking Pro Saddle Rear Rack
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Haibike Xduro Trekking Pro Bosch Gen 2 Motor
Haibike Xduro Trekking Pro Front Fender Quick Release Wheel
Haibike Xduro Trekking Pro Lithium Ion Battery Pack
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Haibike Xduro Trekking Pro Remote Suspension Lockout
Haibike Xduro Trekking Pro Saddle Rear Rack
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Haibike Xduro Trekking Pro Sram Shifters Bell
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Summary

  • A long-range capable touring our commuting style electric bike that climbs well, has a balanced weight distribution and offers 27 speeds for a steady cadence at most speeds
  • Excellent accessories including LED lights, full-length fenders and sturdy rear-rack with spring latch
  • Available in two frame styles and seven sizes, great 2 year warranty, only the front wheel offers quick release

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Introduction

Make:

Haibike

Model:

XDURO Trekking Pro

Price:

$4,650 USD

Body Position:

Forward

Suggested Use:

Touring, Urban, Commuting

Electric Bike Class:

Pedal Assist (Class 1)
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Warranty:

5 Year Frame, 2 Year Motor and Battery

Availability:

United States

Model Year:

2015

Bicycle Details

Total Weight:

53 lbs (24.04 kg)

Battery Weight:

5.5 lbs (2.49 kg)

Motor Weight:

8.8 lbs (3.99 kg)

Frame Material:

6061 Aluminum Alloy, Hydroformed Tubes, Gravity Casting Interface

Frame Sizes:

17.3 in (43.94 cm)18.9 in (48 cm)20.5 in (52.07 cm)22 in (55.88 cm)23.6 in (59.94 cm)Diamond (48cm, 52cm, 56cm, 60cm) Step-Thru (44cm, 48cm, 52cm)

Frame Types:

Mid-Step, Step-Thru

Frame Colors:

Dark Gray with Lime Accents

Frame Fork Details:

RockShox Paragon TK Suspension with 65 mm Travel, Poploc, Solo Air

Attachment Points:

Fender Bosses, Rear Rack Bosses

Gearing Details:

27 Speed 1x27 SRAM PG 950, 9 Speed Cassette and SRAM Dual Drive 3 Speed Internally Geared Hub, 11-34T

Shifter Details:

SRAM Triggers on Left and Right Bars

Cranks:

XDURO Aluminum Alloy

Pedals:

XLC CNC Platform

Headset:

FSA No. 57, Semi-Integrated, Tapered

Stem:

XDURO Aluminum Alloy, A-Head

Handlebar:

XDURO Lowriser Aluminum Alloy

Brake Details:

Shimano M615 Hydraulic Disc with 180 mm Front Rotor and 160 mm Rear Rotor, Shimano M615 Hydraulic Levers

Grips:

XLC Sport with Locking Rings

Saddle:

Selle San Marco Milano

Seat Post:

XDURO Aluminum Alloy

Seat Post Diameter:

31.6 mm

Rims:

Rodi T 622 Rims, XLC EVO Disc Front Hub

Spokes:

Sapim Leader

Tire Brand:

Schwalbe Energizer Tour, 700 x 40c

Wheel Sizes:

28 in (71.12cm)

Tire Details:

Reflective Sidewall

Tube Details:

Presta Valve

Accessories:

Haibike Headlight LED 60 LUX, Trelock LED Taillight, Rear Carry Rack with Standard Sized Tubing, SKS Fenders with Rear Mud Flap, Single Side Pletscher Comp Kickstand, Aluminum Alloy Chain Guide, Bell on Right Bar, Neoprene Slap Guard

Other:

Quick Release Wheels (Front and Rear), Locking Removable Battery Pack with LED Charge Level Indicator, KMC X9 Chain

Electronic Details

Motor Brand:

Bosch Gen2 with Shift Detection

Motor Type:

Mid-Mounted Geared Motor
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Motor Nominal Output:

350 watts

Motor Torque:

60 Newton meters

Battery Brand:

Samsung

Battery Voltage:

36 volts

Battery Amp Hours:

11 ah

Battery Watt Hours:

396 wh

Battery Chemistry:

Lithium-ion

Charge Time:

3.5 hours

Estimated Min Range:

40 miles (64 km)

Estimated Max Range:

65 miles (105 km)

Display Type:

Removable Backlit Grayscale LCD

Readouts:

Speed, 4 Assist Levels, Battery Voltage, Odometer, Estimated Range, Clock, Max Speed, Average Speed, Trip Time

Display Accessories:

Independent Button Pad with Tactile Feedback, Stem Mounted

Drive Mode:

Advanced Pedal Assist (Combined Torque, Cadence and Speed), (Eco 50%, Tour 120%, Sport 190%, Turbo 275%)

Top Speed:

20 mph (32 kph)

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Written Review

The XDURO Trekking line from Haibike offers a sporty but comfortable platform to commute or tour with. Both the Pro and RX models for 2015 come stock with full length fenders, a solid rear rack and integrated LED lights but the Pro offers nicer suspension, an upgraded chain, pedals and brakes. It also foregoes the dynamo hub in favor of powering lights directly off the main battery. With seven frame sizes to choose from (four mid-step “diamond” and three low-step) most people will be able to dial in their fit and that’s a big deal for a bike that might be traveling 50+ miles per ride. These are some of my favorite “all purpose” electric bikes at the higher end of the market and I’ve become a fan of the very responsive drive system and balanced weight distribution offered by the Bosch Gen 2 motor and Powerpack 400. My only real complaints here are the lack of quick release for the rear wheel (seems handy for those road-side flats), lack of bottle cage mounting points (seems like there could have been room on the diamond frame) and the decision to drop the dynamo hub on the Pro model (possibly for weight savings?). I love the idea of having lights no matter the charge state of your battery. If I could change anything about this electric bike I think I’d consider making it a speed pedelec, capable of higher ~28 mph top speeds to reduce travel time for those who truly go the distance.

The centerdrive system on the Haibike XDURO Trekking Pro consists of a 350 watt geared centerdrive motor developed by Bosch. This is one of the best motors around in my opinion and is quite capable of climbing even the steepest terrain while still achieving impressive range. It can only be activated through pedaling but is super smart, measuring your rear wheel speed, pedal cadence and pedal torque at ~1,000 times per second! Instead of turning one of the bicycle wheels directly, as a hub motor would, the Bosch Centerdrive spins a small sprocket that pulls the chain and leverages gears in the rear cassette for improved climbing ability or top speed. This system works especially well for ebikes with a large number of gears which is the case here. The Trekking Pro offers 27 speeds total with nine external cogs using a derailleur and three internal gears using the SRAM Dual Drive system. Most of the Bosch powered electric bikes I’ve tried only offer 9 to 11 speeds but with more increments to choose from here, rider pedal cadence can fit the terrain more comfortably.

Note that the smaller front sprocket on the Bosch system does not require the rider to pedal faster, it’s actually geared to rotate ~2 times for every pedal stroke. It doesn’t introduce significant drag to the system and can be used even in non electric mode, pedaling as you would with a traditional unpowered bicycle. The only drawback to this system (and most electric bikes) is increased frame weight, comprised mostly of the motor and battery but also reinforced frame elements to deal with higher speeds and power output. One possible downside to mid-drive motors like this is that they can increase the strain and wear on your chain and cassette but the Bosch system minimizes this because it has shift detection built in. It automatically lets up when it senses that you’re shifting gears (as shown in the video) and this reduces mashing. I’ve tested other Haibikes more thoroughly than the Trekking Pro and even had the chance to take them on trails in Colorado. What I found was that I used the motor to climb but shut it off on the way down and even on some flat sections. For some trips, I left the motor on constantly but rode in the lowest “Eco” mode and the range and performance was very impressive with 60+ miles per charge. Given the low rolling resistance of the hybrid tires on the Trekking, you should expect this kind of range or higher if you’re at or below 170 pounds and are riding on smooth hard terrain without many hills.

Powering the motor and headlights here is a Bosch Powerpack 400 battery (that actually delivers 396 watt hours of juice). It’s a beautiful looking pack that’s easy to charge on or off the bike and the locking core (made by ABUS) is sturdy with each key being securely unique (it’s a routed in-cut key like many cars now use). The battery pack itself has a set of five LEDs built in so you can quickly determine the charge level, whether it’s on or off the ebike. I recommend charging the pack after at least one bar has been used or before storing for long periods of time. It’s wise to top it off ever three months if you haven’t used it and the best way to store is in a cool dry place (avoid extreme heat and cold). The batteries inside the Powerpack are 18650 size and contain a Lithium Manganese chemistry that’s valued for being light weight and durable. These are the same cells used in electric cars like the Tesla Roadster or Model S and of similar high quality. The one complaint I do have with regard to the battery is that it’s not completely integrated into the downtube like the Specialized Turbo or Stromer ST2… This puts weight higher up, doesn’t look as clean and takes up valuable space on the downtube that might otherwise be used for a bottle cage mounting point. With the XDURO Trekking Pro there are no bosses for mounting a water bottle cage and that means you’ll probably want a CamelBak or similar hydration system. One upside here however is that the battery pack is less expensive to replace, being interchangeable with any other Bosch Gen 2 powered ebike. It should last for 1,000+ charge cycles if cared for and even comes with a two year warranty which is one of the longest I’m aware of in the ebike space. If you do need a replacement (or decide to get a second pack) Currie Technologies offers them for ~$600. In the US, Haibike is supported through Currie and Bosch is supported through Magura.

The Intuvia control interface on the Haibike XDURO Trekking Pro electric bike is the same as all other Bosch systems for this generation. It shows speed, distance traveled, battery capacity remaining, timer and range estimation for each of four assist levels. It’s really neat to see (on the fly) just how far the range estimator thinks you can go because it empowers you to plan accordingly and pop the battery off for a quick charge if needed. You can usually get the pack to ~80% capacity in just an hour and a half. In addition to the removable backlit LCD screen (which has four buttons surrounding it including power, reset, information and lights) there is also an independent button pad that lets you go up or down in assist modes. I like the tactile clicking feedback it produces as you navigate because once you get used to it, you really don’t have to take your eyes off the road to navigate and control the bike. The display can be swiveled forward and back to reduce glare and is completely removable for parking in public spaces or simply reducing wear and weight. It even has a micro USB port on the right side which could be useful for powering some small portable electronic devices. If you’re someone who does a lot of night riding, this display offers back lighting and the on/off switch for this also activates the integrated LED lights. I especially like the headlight because it turns with the handle bars as you steer.

While the remote air fork lockout is neat and I can appreciate the upgraded components on the Pro, the drivetrain is basically the same (motor, battery and even gears) as the RX version which is $200 less. I noticed that the RX also comes with a cafe lock to immobilize the rear wheel during quick stops and errands which the Pro does not (the demo model had it but it does not appear in stock imagery of the Pro). Both models lack the rear quick release and this may be due to the SRAM Dual Drive but frankly, I wish they had it because ebikes tend to get more flats if they are used over long distances and carrying wrenches adds weight and hassle. This is a beautiful, unique electric bike that really excels in performance and I’m digging deep to identify ways that it could be further improved. Compared to some other electric bikes that were built for commuting or touring it feels comfortable and balanced but you could further smooth out the ride with a Thudbuster or Suntour NXC suspension seat post. I like the bell they added, the cockpit is clean and the kickstand is very stable. I feel like they could have gone with just one frame style here because there isn’t much difference between the high and low step (why not just go with low step and reduce unit costs, perhaps it is less rigid?) but I love that they offer choice and wide range of frame sizes is excellent. This is a solid ebike from a reputable German company with premium parts and it really shows when you dig into the details and take it for a test ride.

Pros:

  • Available in two frame styles (mid-step and low-step) and seven frame sizes Diamond (48cm, 52cm, 56cm, 60cm) Step-Thru (44cm, 48cm, 52cm) for a comfortable fit and easy mounting/standover
  • Efficient operation given the 700c wheel diameter and hybrid/slick tires while maintaining a comfortable ride with the RockShox Paragon suspension fork
  • Many high-quality accessories that are very handy for commuting or trekking/touring regardless of terrain or weather (fenders, rack, lights, kickstand)
  • Excellent gear range (27 speeds) even though there is only one sprocket at the bottom bracket, the SRAM Dual Drive is a unique solution for providing a wide range of pedaling speeds
  • Excellent range thanks to the efficient centerdrive motor that leverages the rear cassette and high performance Lithium-ion 396 watt hour battery
  • Great torque output, this bike can climb very well in Turbo mode when you’re pedaling with a lower gear
  • Battery pack locks to frame for security using a quality ABUS core, it can be charged on or off the frame for convenience or to reduce weight if you’d like to ride this as a normal bicycle
  • Stiff cranks, peformance wheelset, decent aluminum alloy platform pedals, rigid frame for good power transfer when riding, tapered head tube for strength
  • Great customer support and warranty from Currie Technologies in the US (part of Accell Group which owns Haibike)
  • Shift detection helps reduce wear on the chain and sprockets, the bike experiences less mashing and is more intuitive to ride as a result
  • Sturdy rear rack that mounts at two places near the rear dropouts and at two points on the seat stays, it uses standard gauge tubing for maximum compatibility with quick-release panniers and includes a spring latch for securing minor items
  • Smooth, powerful braking with hydraulic levers and 180/160 mm rotors, they are easy to actuate with just a finger or two which can reduce strain when riding over long distances and they are powerful enough to stop a heavier load if you’re hauling gear

Cons:

  • Only offers quick release for the front wheel, considering this is a mid-drive ebike it seems like the rear wheel should also have it (you could replace this after-market with a quick release skewer)
  • It would be great to see a dynamo hub on the front wheel to power the lights in the event that the battery has been completely drained
  • For the high-step “diamond” frame it seems like there’s room to add a bottle cage and I’d love to have this option for commuting and touring when water storage and access is important, consider after market accessories like saddle rail bottle mounts, grab a CamelBak or add panniers and a bag that can hold bottles
  • No throttle mode, this bike only offers pedal assist (like all Bosch powered systems) but will get a better range than if it did, top speed is limited to 20 mph and it would be neat to see a speed-pedelec version of this bike offered with up to 28 mph top speeds for covering long distances (especially given that this is the Pro version of the Trekking model)

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bob armani
1 hour ago

Surfstar-If you want to buy cheap now and wait for 2019 models, have you considered looking for demo bikes with little wear and tear? You may be able to find one at a very reasonable price and sell it later without taking a big loss...

LimboJim
2 hours ago

My Bulls FS3 eMTB has a Brose motor, same as your Turbo Levo, Jim. Sure, Specialized "custom-programmed" the motor's software, but it's still cranking the same 90Nm of extra torque through the drivetrain. I also own a Haibike Sduro Allmtn+ with a Yamaha (80Nm), and a Motobecane w/Shimano (75Nm). My friends and I have put hundreds of trail miles on all three, and we've broken a few chains.

We've all been mountain biking since the early '90s, and consider ourselves to be experienced riders who know how and when to shift. eMTBs, however, are a different story. I find that they're far more susceptible than unassisted MTBs to bending chain links when shifting under any kind of load and/or the slightest cross-chaining, and are totally intolerant of standstill shifts (especially when caked in dried mud, which makes everything stickier). Of these three ebikes, the Bulls w/Brose has been the most prone to chain breaks, even when freshly cleaned and properly lubed. I suspect it's because of the motor's higher torque (it's also the heaviest of the three).

My 2002 Stumpjumper could go indefinitely without lubing its chain, and did 15 years ago when I first got it. One of my buds now wants to buy his own eMTB, which is great, but he only cleans his current MTB semi-annually, and maintenance is not something he does frequently, either. I told him what I'm saying to you - if you expect to treat an eMTB just like a mountain bike, you'll likely be disappointed. For me, pedal assist amplifies the fun factor by at least 10, but also requires three times the maintenance.

That's a trade-off I'm willing to make.

Arnel Philippines
4 hours ago

Hi. We dont have motostrano here in Philippines. We buy from USA. We try some other brand of e-bike at first and we dont like the ride. And we check the high bike and check all comments on it. Thats why we try ome haibike first. The All mountain pro. And we love it. So we buy different models for our group. Its good to have haibike. Hope maybe someday there will be dealer in Philippines.

Ravi Kempaiah
6 hours ago

Haibike, Rlaeigh and Izip uses TranzX motor on several bikes. They have a long business history with TranzX and a company like Accell that owns Haibike, Izip, Raleigh would not have any problem sourcing a motor if the issue arises.
If you use the bike regularly, you get the money back within a year and after that it's all profit!

ryanmclaughlin
6 hours ago

Haibike for $1699 ? Does it use the same motor like other haibikes which are priced like $3000

DaveinMtAiry
8 hours ago

It does Will, all the posts help. I get what you are sayings, sort of. So if you have 2 equal bikes with the same tires etc the batter with the higher rating will allow for more miles per charge.

Did you see the link I posted on the Haibike Saduro? What is your thoughts on the ability of that bike to lug a 240 pound man who will be in retirement (read old) up big Tennessee mountains?

J.R.
13 hours ago

Both Yamaha mid drives are 250 watts nominal, 500 watts peak.

PW:

https://global.yamaha-motor.com/business/e-bike-systems/pw/drive-unit/

PW-X:

https://global.yamaha-motor.com/business/e-bike-systems/pw-x/drive-unit/

They're very capable hill climbers. I agree with Ann, watt rating doesn't tell the whole story. I also believe many sellers use the watt spec in false advertising or hype to sell bikes. Nothing new or scandalous there, automobile manufactures have been doing that for a long time.

With so many opinions available, it's impossible to remove all doubt. The minute one thinks they have it all figured out, someone will write a new set of facts based on personal experience. Much of it is just anecdotal facts.

Good luck in your search.

DaveinMtAiry
14 hours ago

Thanks so much Ann. I was told the Yahama motor has more torque than others. I did test ride it but as I said the hills around the shop were not as steep as the ones on my road and what I expect in Tennessee. But I was able to go up some fairly long grades with little effort.

Throughout the thread I was told a mid drive at 350W and above would be fine. Here is the link with the specs, they always read 500W. Could you please clarify is this 250W or 500W?

https://propelbikes.com/product/haibike-sduro-cross-4-0-2017/

mbrown
16 hours ago

As i hear Bosch's main competitor is Yamaha. Many e-bike brands put Yamaha motor as an option for Bosch and i tried BH and Haibike with Yamaha and all were very powerful. I think no way Brose performs better than Yamaha. I don't have any technical evidence or proof but that is how i feel. I agree with others a 3rd part unbiased test results will be better maybe also include Bafang to the comparison too.

surfstar
23 hours ago

Bear with me for a lengthy post:

Just got back from my mtb commute - only the second time I’ve ridden to my new job. Used Google Fit for some tracking info. (side note, I think I would put 1500-2500 mi/yr on the bike)

Route: It’s only 5.1 mi, and my ride home has a steady incline of maybe 250’ gain over 2 miles, then mostly flat. I averaged 10mph roughly. My morning commute is of course the opposite, and averages a little faster with the downhill and less traffic. The uphill section usually has the most stops and starts, also.

stop/go factor: on my afternoon commute, since I stick to the main street with a nice bike lane, it has lots of stop lights and if you hit everyone, I can currently keep up with cars. An ebike may let me branch out to other faster streets with no dedicated bike lane, but I would be flowing with traffic, so I could up my speed and still be safe, I imagine. Either way, there is enough stop and go and I only hit a top speed of 16mph currently, so I see no need to rule out 20mph limited bikes now. Realizing that I may have a more stop and go pattern than many users with dedicated bike paths, I am now wondering if a geared hub motor would offer the best performance? Additionally, I do think I would like a throttle…
...which leads me to realizing that I need to at least ride a mid-motor torque pedalec and throttle/hub for test rides, even if they are not the exact models I may be looking at. They do at least have the Haibike locally. Hopefully that will help me determine if I have a preference for either speed sensor and/or throttle.

So, of course, more models keep popping up: Surface 604 Colt - will that be the best options/compromise for me? Is it worth ~$350 more than a RadCity? I can only imagine how the 2019 models may offer even more features for the same $. Which then makes me thing, go cheap, sell and upgrade later on... lol

Just thinking out loud, but also voicing my process as the additional info may give you guys help in any recommendations…

geddyleesnose
2 days ago

I test road the Urban Plus last summer. Was $3200 back then which was out of my price range, but I wanted to see what it road like and I just thought it looked really cool. For me, anyway, I found the ride too stiff. Roads are bumpy in West Los Angeles. I ended up getting a Juiced Crosscurrent S with 17.4 battery for 2K. Ok front suspension (also bought a Suntour suspension seatpost - absolute must!), but it's better than none and the motor is more powerful than the Trans X without question. Has torque sensing. throttle (great in the city) and nearly everything you'd want at an excellent price. Granted, the components aren't as nice as the Urban Plus, so that's the big tradeoff along with the mid-drive motor which has advantages. The biggest downside of the Crosscurrent was the wait. Took a month and a half to arrive, but I still love the bike, four months and around 500 or so miles later, with no issues so far. At that price I'd be tempted by the Haibike too. The thing that would concern me is the trans x motor if ever needed replacing and they weren't around, and the cobi system. Just seems wonky. Best of luck on your search!

hurricane56
2 days ago

I guess if it helps, here are some baseline figures from one year of commuting in 2017.

2016 Haibike Trekking S - Bosch Performance Line Speed
- approximately 4k miles, 1/3 urban stop and go, 2/3 rural
- new chain and cassette after 2500 miles
- One set of front brake pads at the end of the year, rear brake pads had about 3-4 months pad life remaining. Brakes are Magura Mt5.
- Rear tire is a Schwable Energizer Plus, it's about half of the tread life is worn, front tire is still almost new.

I agree with with @rich c , for such a heavy duty commute schedule, I'd be sticking to the big motor manufacturers. Also with the OP previous comment about dual suspension. It's certainly a nice to have but not vitally required feature for high mileage.

Ravi Kempaiah
1 year ago

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Average Joe Cyclist
2 years ago

I just got a new 2015 Haibike Xduro Trekking Pro and it has a creak - appears to be in the cranks. Any ideas how to fix this? I took it back to the bike store 5 days ago and they said this is common and tightened a bolt. It stopped creaking for one day, then started again. The creaking is worst on pull-off from stop. The shop says creaking is normal; however I have had a Pedelec crank drive motor before and never heard a single creak. I am very worried that I have paid a lot of money for a damaged bike/some kind of lemon. Of course, Bosch claims all their motors are perfect - but then why does my bike sound like it is 50 years old?

The bike is in the shop again now. Somebody suggested lube the threads of the BB collars with grease and then re-torque them.

Any ideas will be appreciated!

Thanks

Cameron Newland
3 years ago

It's a 3-speed, a 9-speed, and technically a 27-speed. Yes, they're two different systems. The only gears that the rider can select are from the 9 external gears on the rear cog. The 3 internal gears are selected electronically depending on speed. That means that you might get some strange behavior, including unexpected shifts or the dreaded phenomenon known as "gear hunting", with this system.

Haibike already offers something like this on their US ebikes. (Haibike XDURO Trekking Pro).

A funny story: I test-drove a Haibike with the 3 internal gears (SRAM Dual Drive) paired with an external cogset/derailleur at Motostrano, just south of San Francisco last month. A few weeks later, I went in to EBIKELANE, which is Motostrano's sister shop in San Francisco, and mentioned to them that I had ridden a Haibike with such a unique transmission, and John from EBIKELANE didn't believe that such a system even existed, even though I had ridden it at his sister shop!

Pan Darius Kairos
1 month ago

I'm thinking of getting the SDURO Trekking 9 for touring Hawai'i, but can't find any video reviews of it.

Mike Malloy
10 months ago

As always, ElectricBikeReview.com, thanks for the great review.

Ioan Charger
1 year ago

Try CUBE e-models , will be interesting to watch u test riding

Morrisonlife.com
2 years ago

Having time off here in Mexico so thought I would investigate Ebikes and my goodness, not one is a true touring bike. They say they are but none have front rack mounts nor bottle cages nor dual stands nor drop bars (for many more hand positions) and no figure eight handlebars, nor solar panels built in for recharging, nor proper wheels with decent tyres. What a sad state the Ebike market is in for tourers. I guess we will just have to keep peddling into our mid sixties without assistance. Maybe in a few years there will be something serious and economical on the market but for now I find the whole thing a big joke. Oh yes, the biggest joke is the EU who restrict power as does California so that is also pathetic.

Santeri Miettinen
3 years ago

Have the sduros arrived to us yet? I drove one, cross if i'm right. Didn't expect bosch like accuracy and smoothness of the yamaha system. I believe yamaha actually offers 10 nm more torque than bosch. I only weigth ~65 kilos~ so the bike felt like it was going to take off :D bosch powered xduros also cost at least 1000€ more.

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 years ago

+santeri Miettinen Interesting, thanks for the feedback :)

Santeri Miettinen
3 years ago

+ElectricBikeReview.com yes i did chance it few times, you can feel it kicking in more smoothly on larger gear but it's hard to tell the difference because the track i drove on was flat and not that long (and i was so exited so i didn't focus on the gears that much)

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 years ago

+santeri Miettinen Did you shift the front at all? I'm really curious to see how it does under power.

Santeri Miettinen
3 years ago

+ElectricBikeReview.com the one i tried had two, i think that some models have one

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 years ago

+santeri Miettinen Interesting... did the Yamaha system offer two front chain rings or just one? I'm excited to test them out once they arrive in the US (or later this year if I visit Eurobike)

David Macdonald
3 years ago

I know a lot of the batteries cost around 300, pounds , but seem to only have a 12 mth , guarantee , my worry is how long do thay last on most E bikes , thanks .

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 years ago

+David Macdonald Hi David, I've heard 1,000+ full charge cycles. It will last longer if you always keep it between 20% and 80% full and avoid storing in extreme hot or cold. The best is a cool dry spot with a monthly check to make sure it hasn't drained too much. With this kind of care, it could go for years with a range of 30+ miles thanks to the efficient drive systems at work. When it's new, and for the first year or so you should get 50+ miles :)

brighton dude
3 years ago

The SRAM Dual Drive gear system is excellent. I used it for many years on a bicycle which was eventually destroyed in a crash. I actually extracted it from the remains and still have it so I can put it into another bicycle some day.

You get a very wide range of gears with the SRAM DD. That three speed hub is far wider than most front dérailleur systems.

You can change those hub gears while stationery. It is so useful. If you are in a high gear at the traffic lights you can just change down to the bottom in the hub gears.

That internal three speed hub they use used to be made by Sachs and it is one of the most reliable hub gears ever made. It will go on for thousands upon thousands of miles.

You will see that SRAM DD in many European bicycles, it is a great system!

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 years ago

+brighton dude Thanks for the feedback about shifting SRAM internally geared hubs under load...

brighton dude
3 years ago

+ElectricBikeReview.com
 - I totally survived the crash but was in shock for about a week afterwards. That SRAM/Sachs internal hub allows you to change gear while stationary but in my experience not when there is pressure on the pedals.

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 years ago

+brighton dude Gosh, sorry to hear about your crash! Glad you're still... alive?! Pretty neat that the system itself survived and that you liked it. Always appreciate the constructive real-world feedback. Some internally geared hubs offer shifting at standstill but others won't allow it under pressure (like if you're about to climb a hill). Sounds like this SRAM/Sachs system is pretty great :)

ForbinColossus
3 years ago

Finally, fenders! For practicality, keeping rain off your back is pretty darn important. And it's nice to arrive to work w/o squishy wet shoes. I love the MTB look with knobbies, and I'm wondering if fenders can be added yet still have a tough enduro look. To be picky,  that bike would look better in all black with those black fenders. And I say that even though most of what I see daily are black bikes. Helluva commute to work bike there ---the gear setup is really something. 

Mike Malloy
10 months ago

I like the Grey/Black combination. Not sure about the neon green though. I'm done with hard tails. I wish there was a full suspension touring bike.

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 years ago

I wonder how difficult it is to repaint a frame like this? I think the guys at BMEBIKES bring in standard frames that then get painted locally, maybe that could be done with this one for a couple hundred and the labor of taking it all apart? I put some fenders on a Haibike XDURO FS 27.5" but they weren't as close or secure as the ones on this bike, more just mud guards. I like this setup, especially with a thudbuster :)

Gardener Rob
3 years ago

Another amazing Bosch system, they never stop amazing me with the technology they put into there drive systems. Love the colors they chose for the bike grey black and green.

Harold Pilon
10 months ago

Gardener Rob y

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 years ago

I agree, it's neat to see how versatile and capable this motor system can be when used for downhill, cross country, road or trekking and I love the frame design and colors on most of the Haibikes this year. Cool stuff :)

bryphi77
3 years ago

This is yet again another overpriced gimmick. Anyone who is serious about touring would never want a bike like this. I swear they make this crap for stupid people who have too much money. This could never be used on a real bike tour. Too many unnecessary breakable parts, and what do you do when the battery dies 100 miles from an outlet?... peddal that thing up a hill with all your equipment on it? Yeah... right...

bao tran
11 months ago

Hi!!!i don't have tons of money but years of mtb has wreck my knees so this helps me with the hills going to work.I thought the same as u till I tried it and fell in love with ebikes.I wouldn't take this for a bike tour but for around town or short bike camping trips.

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 years ago

+bryphi77 I haven't done much bike touring but the 27 speeds seemed adequate for pedaling on human power only if the battery is fully discharged. An extra pack could be carried along (they weigh ~8.8 pounds) and for those with knee issues this might be a great way to join friends. It might not be the ultra light, super heavy duty touring bike that you're thinking of but the motor and battery are some of the most reliable and efficient I've seen. Compared to a non-electric bike this thing might be 20 pounds heavier but you get a lot of benefit from that added weight. I respect your opinion, maybe I'm off-base for true touring, could you comment more on what you'd change or how you'd build the ideal touring ebike?

Florida Scot
3 years ago

Man thats a lot of gears for a treking e-bike more expensive to build & complicated engineering more things to go wrong on the road why ?  
I ride over 4k miles a year have been doing so for 5 years & only use 2 gears rarely shift gears. MTB bikes, regular road bikes need many gears i get that but most e-bikes  well no, $ best spent elsewhere .. Great video, keep them coming !

THE QUIET CYCLIST
3 years ago

You are kicking the keys :O

fresky74
3 years ago

Why do you say it has 27 gears? It doesn't. It has 9 gears! You have to keep the chain straight between the rear cassette and the front chain rings or the chain will come off. Saying it has 27 gears is very unprofessional, a bike has only has the amount of gears on the rear cassette.

TheMuddatrucker
3 years ago

+fresky74 Saying it only has 9 gears! is very unprofessional

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 years ago

+fresky74 No worries, happy I could help to clarify and answer your question :)

fresky74
3 years ago

Oh right I thought you was talking about the front mec, Sorry my mistake. 

ElectricBikeReview.com
3 years ago

This bicycle has a three speed internally geared rear hub in addition to a nine speed cassette. The combination of those two groupings offers a rider 27 pedal cadence speeds which I referred to colloquially as gears.